Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[Parallaxal]

At last, this journey has come to an end.

Team Unappreciated vs. ***WINNER***
Part 1
Part 2

The fight went remarkably smoothly, with only one death that was mostly my own fault. The only stage 3 attacks he had time to use were Magical Tempest and that 30 million HP recovery move, which made it much easier. He did end up recovering about 60 million HP throughout the course of the fight, so it did take quite a while to finally bring him to his knees.

Once again, Reisen was my 2nd best damage dealer, after Nitori. She and Iku are the ones that have most exceeded my expectations throughout this playthrough. In fact, I personally found Reisen to be a fine MAG nuker, sort of like a magic-based Remilia, except with less durability but better speed and capable of debuff effects. However, she really needs enough SP to spam Grand Patriot's Elixir, so she probably won't be able to pull it off effectively until the higher floors. By the Plus Disk, though, her SP issues are pretty much gone.

Rumia's also a fine nuker, especially with buffs. Moonlight Ray's formula is better than Spring Like Suiga's, which is already arguably better than the formula for Silent Selene. She just has durability issues.

[Serela]

IWell, her defensive capabilities might match Minoriko's squishiness.

>Minoriko
>Squishy

lolwat? Minoriko should have a wonderful MND, assuming you're putting level bonuses into MND, which is highly recommended for her.

[Esoterica]

>Minoriko
>Squishy

lolwat? Minoriko should have a wonderful MND, assuming you're putting level bonuses into MND, which is highly recommended for her.

Seriously.  My Minoriko's taken 0s from fire attacks before I'd raised her FIR affinity, because her MND is just that good.

Anyway, Sanae test run is go.  At 8F I'm not really noticing too much of a difference between the two.  Since I'm using Eirin for my tank though, the high delay on Sanae's heals isn't so significant.  Either way, if I can manage to use her as a suitable dedicated healer/buffer without her delays killing off my team, I'll be happy.

...though I just realized, this means I'll need to use Renko for MND buffs.  Dammit.

[MysTeariousYukari]

For my next playthrough, I'll be going full-MAG Sanae, to be switched in and out by main tank Tenshi. It'll be part of my strange builds team, including ATK Sakuya, ATK Komachi, MAG Eirin, MAG Ran, and more. Basically, relying on characters who are normally not considered nukers to, well, nuke.

This is kinda how I built my party, everyone else was boosting their offensive stat, save for Meiling, Tenshi, Renko and 18F.

[Esoterica]

This is kinda how I built my party, everyone else was boosting their offensive stat, save for Meiling, Tenshi, Renko and 18F.

Yeah, same here.

18F fight's been a bitch for me when everyone gets 1-2 shot even with buffs at Reimu lv103.

[Barrakketh]

Seriously.  My Minoriko's taken 0s from fire attacks before I'd raised her FIR affinity, because her MND is just that good.

I've only just started working on my Minoriko's MND stat in the past few levels:


I can get it a bit higher with equipment though since she isn't wearing anything that boosts it.

[Esoterica]

I've only just started working on my Minoriko's MND stat in the past few levels:


I can get it a bit higher with equipment though since she isn't wearing anything that boosts it.

Level 30, pure MND, no equips whatsoever.

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Yeah, her MND is great.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Can her MND hit 2700~ by Eientei? If so, then it is good enough for me to consider using her :V

[Esoterica]

Can her MND hit 2700~ by Eientei? If so, then it is good enough for me to consider using her :V

Well, you'd have 20 more levels to go before that fight, so..

...easily with equips, close without I'd say.

[The Greatest Dog]

Seriously.  My Minoriko's taken 0s from fire attacks before I'd raised her FIR affinity, because her MND is just that good.

2x damage multiplied by 0 is still zero. Affinity multipliers are applied after damage.

Although I dunno how my Minoriko is ending up with low MND growths. :V

[Esoterica]

2x damage multiplied by 0 is still zero. Affinity multipliers are applied after damage.

I suppose I phrased that poorly; I meant her affinities haven't even been an issue yet because her survivability's so good.

[Parallaxal]

Minoriko's MND is pretty amazing. By the time I was fighting ***WINNER***, her MND was well over 170k, and was actually higher than my Meiling's DEF.

The whole affinity issue is why Iku's affinities on my team aren't that high; she doesn't need them to be. I mean, she took  a mere 10k damage from Kedamagrammaton's Rankain with just 300 SPI affinity.

Also, at level 3 I did nearly 1,000 damage with Shikigami nuke against Meiling boss fight. It seriously is almost like a magical Megawatt Linear Gun if the stars align for it.

[FantomFang]

Well, as I finished clearing the areas of 20F that opened up after the postgame and writing down the location of each Ver. 2 Boss, I managed to get each of the random drop items (I was missing 3 when I started, ended up with 2 Divine Spirit Barriers, already had the Flower, and got Armads/Scourge in 2 straight battles, woo).

So now I'm sitting pretty at Reimu LV 135. Should I level some more, or do you think I'm fine to start the Ver. 2 touhou bosses? Or should I do Boss Rush first, and if so, what level should I be for that? I understand that it's the same exact bosses as before, but I still don't know what level I should be to confidently beat all the bosses without worrying about losing a character or two, since that would make the last bosses much harder. Should I get to 140-150 or so?

I've only beaten the 1st Bloodstained Seal boss so far though, so I may see about beating Beast of Centaurus first before I do either of those. Not sure how tough the next Seal boss is...

[Parallaxal]

Beast of Centaurea is easy, just make sure he never gets a turn in his second form (it has 200k HP). You can take him with little problems at your level.

I'd go for the Ver. 2 bosses first. Most of them aren't that hard if you can already beat the final boss. Only a few of them are more difficult than that, but I took them all down easily with Reimu in the 140-150 range before.

Boss rush I'd usually wait until lvl 150+, but it's probably doable earlier. Bloodstained seals will definitely be the hardest star for you to get.

[FantomFang]

Beast of Centaurea is easy, just make sure he never gets a turn in his second form (it has 200k HP). You can take him with little problems at your level.

I'd go for the Ver. 2 bosses first. Most of them aren't that hard if you can already beat the final boss. Only a few of them are more difficult than that, but I took them all down easily with Reimu in the 140-150 range before.

Boss rush I'd usually wait until lvl 150+, but it's probably doable earlier. Bloodstained seals will definitely be the hardest star for you to get.

Yeah, I just beat the Beast. He got off one attack in breakaway mode (Patchy hit 100% when he did, so he got off one attack and then Patchy interrupted his series of 6 attacks for the kill.

I guess I will probably go ahead and start the Ver. 2 bosses. Mayble I'll grab a couple levels first though; even Meiling seemed to be strong (ofc, I came into the fight w/out really preparing, so eh). Reimu 136 right now, so I'll hit 140 and then start the slaughter.

EDIT: Btw Mascot, could you get me a copy of that Minoriko picture? The one I have right now is the soul-sucked one (where she looks like she's been through hell or something  :V). That one is just SOO much better.

[Esoterica]

Mascot

teehee

It's actually Shizuha, not Minoriko.  I replaced her with her sister because I happen to like her a lot more as a character.  But sure, here you go.

[Barrakketh]

Is Rumia in desparate need of more MND? [Y/n]



I'm thinking yes.

[Esoterica]

Is Rumia in desparate need of more MND? [Y/n]



I'm thinking yes.

Ooh, I like that pic.

Also, :C

y

[Barrakketh]

Ooh, I like that pic.

Also, :C

y

I did a terrible job extracting it (the left ring finger was too small when I removed some of the "halo" that outlined her, jaggies on top of the left arm, etc.).  Part of that is because I hardly do any of that stuff, part of it is because I used Paint.NET which is rather...restrictive when it comes to tools.  In hindsight I shouldn't have been as aggressive since some of the darker parts of the outline that stood out on a white background or the transparency pattern aren't really noticeable in-game.

Images for the game and the original.

[Parallaxal]

EDIT: Btw Mascot, could you get me a copy of that Minoriko picture? The one I have right now is the soul-sucked one (where she looks like she's been through hell or something  :V). That one is just SOO much better.

I personally use the Minoriko image from this set.

And yes, that's a hot Rumia picture.

Personally, I skimped on giving Rumia MND bonuses since I ended up using her as a switch in and out character in latter battles. I went full MAG with her level bonuses. But if you're thinking of keeping her in for Eientei and other earlier bosses, then yes, try to focus more on her MND.

[Esoterica]

I feel tempted to alter some EXP growths and start a solo/duo save file.  The question is, who would be a good candidate(s)?

Sanae + Okuu sounds like a fun one, but I'm not too sure about the actual effectiveness; defensive stats in particular have me concerned, and there's a  major lack of debuffs.  Same reason I'm not trying Patchy solo.  18F would probably work well due to varied elements, physical/composite, good stats all-around, and an amazing buff.

Also, I can already tell going into 9f that Eirin's not going to work as a tank.  Her defensive stats aren't even coming close to keeping up, and her HP is the lowest of my entire active party.  So much for that, looks like I'm going back to Tenshi (or 18f, but if I do that I'm swapping his art for Lily Black).

[RainfallYoshi]

Youmu/Yuyuko as a dynamic duo would be interesting... but they both tend to have huge SP problems so battles would like come down to Focus spam a lot.

Kanako/Suwako would be pretty cool to see. Kanako is beefy enough to work as a tank and provides magical damage while Suwako has PAR and physical nuke. It could work perhaps?

[Esoterica]

Youmu/Yuyuko as a dynamic duo would be interesting... but they both tend to have huge SP problems so battles would like come down to Focus spam a lot.

Kanako/Suwako would be pretty cool to see. Kanako is beefy enough to work as a tank and provides magical damage while Suwako has PAR and physical nuke. It could work perhaps?

For a team like that I'd probably have to tweak SP recovery rates as well to avoid getting massacred before having enough SP to do anything.

Kanako/Suwako could probably work.  Debuffs, PAR, both physical and magical attacks spanning a huge variety of elements...quite plausible.

Also, Aya + Iku.

[BallerSupreme]

Also, I can already tell going into 9f that Eirin's not going to work as a tank.  Her defensive stats aren't even coming close to keeping up, and her HP is the lowest of my entire active party.  So much for that, looks like I'm going back to Tenshi (or 18f, but if I do that I'm swapping his art for Lily Black).

For Eirin, is that for main tanking or off tanking?

[Esoterica]

For Eirin, is that for main tanking or off tanking?

Main tanking.  It's pretty obvious her role is off tank, but I wanted to add a bit of a challenge to this playthrough.

...unfortunately, her defenses aren't good enough for primary tanking, so I dropped her completely and brought Tenshi back.

Also: can 18F work as a primary tank?  I've honestly never used him before.

[FantomFang]

Main tanking.  It's pretty obvious her role is off tank, but I wanted to add a bit of a challenge to this playthrough.

...unfortunately, her defenses aren't good enough for primary tanking, so I dropped her completely and brought Tenshi back.

Also: can 18F work as a primary tank?  I've honestly never used him before.

From what I've seen in my playthrough so far, I'd say yes. 18F's kind of like a Tenshi-lite; similar but not quite as good MND/DEF, with a greater HP stat to compensate. He's also much faster than Tenshi, which makes 18F great for switch-Nuking. I oftentimes have 18F and Meiling swap out in the MT slot, depending on the situation. Also, I LOVE how well 18F uses his SKP. 

[Esoterica]

From what I've seen in my playthrough so far, I'd say yes. 18F's kind of like a Tenshi-lite; similar but not quite as good MND/DEF, with a greater HP stat to compensate. He's also much faster than Tenshi, which makes 18F great for switch-Nuking. I oftentimes have 18F and Meiling swap out in the MT slot, depending on the situation. Also, I LOVE how well 18F uses his SKP. 

Maybe I'll try him as my tank instead then.

With his art swapped for Lily Black, of course.

EDIT: Dammit why did I start building him as an attacker what the hell was I thinking.  LOOKS LIKE YUYUKO'S THE BETTER TANK NOW

[BallerSupreme]

I built him as an attacker once and regretted it once I got past floor 20. His stats weren't too far behind my other tanks, but he just was missing that little bit that investing in defensive stats would've brought. That being said, he off tanks well even with full attack, a lot like Remilia.

[Esoterica]

I built him as an attacker once and regretted it once I got past floor 20. His stats weren't too far behind my other tanks, but he just was missing that little bit that investing in defensive stats would've brought. That being said, he off tanks well even with full attack, a lot like Remilia.

My current party is already loaded with characters that can off-tank well, it's a primary tank I want.

...if someone has a screenshot or something of his starting stats, I could just hack in a stat reset and start from scratch.

[Barrakketh]

My current party is already loaded with characters that can off-tank well, it's a primary tank I want.

...if someone has a screenshot or something of his starting stats, I could just hack in a stat reset and start from scratch.

Wiki?