Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[gakpakeerror]

Finished with the Winner.
Don't get any of the 30F's boss drop, though.

well, I guess it's time for another game.
killing Winner over and over again can be done if I'm bored.  :V

[Ghaleon]

Restarting the game with NG+ using a new party at level 1 is probably more fun though.

So I tried 20f boss at Reimu 118...  I could have beat it if I wasn't unlucky and had 3 chars deathed by hyperspace slash super early in the fight (despite their 20+ resist..gah). I also got Djinn stormed every SECOND BLOODY TURN FOR FREAKIN 20ISH TURNS near the end of the fight too, how ghey is that?
Tried again, and had a different kind of bad luck, where my whole party was getting multiple -50% debuffs from one spell after another despite 20-30 stat resist on most of my party..Infact most of my party has 20-30ish everything resist (though there are plenty of full immunes). Remi, despite having 32 par resist managed to get par'd 3 times. I don't know.

I think I can do this after like 10 attempts or so of having good luck but it's just not worth it. I rekon 125-130 is easy enough that I don't need good luck, but is still challenging enough to feel fun >=)..Having a party loaded with glass cannons probably isn't a great idea for such a long fight either. Beserk tends to 2shot most of my roster, despite nobody having poor mys resist minus Ran (who is only at 110), don't even ask how much the REAL attacks rape me for >=P.

Just like last time, My first and only 20f drop so far is armands...sigh, wtf does it have to be the most useless page 9+ item in the game? whyyy.

[Parallaxal]

Plus Disk character summaries for the wiki

Take a look at the last set of characters to be resummarized, and feel free to suggest any changes.

[Esoterica]

Plus Disk character summaries for the wiki

Take a look at the last set of characters to be resummarized, and feel free to suggest any changes.

It all looks good to me, though a couple spellcard typos on Renko and Yuka's summaries are bugging me (Debilitate, Thundercloud Stickleback).

[Parallaxal]

Spelling corrections made, thank you.

Edit: Finally made it to 30F with Team Unappreciated, levels currently in the lower 300's. Time to commence mega-ultra level grinding mode.

[Serela]

Hit 30F? Congrats! I greatly look forward to your Serpent of Chaos fight.

27F and M key wheeeeeeeee

...meanwhile, I'm doing the grind of gathering stars and levels before I start Plus Disk floors. Sigh.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Holy cow, they made it to 30F! I am starting to like all those characters a lot more. I still don't want to use some of them, but I can see that any character can be used well.

[trancehime]

Spelling corrections made, thank you.

Edit: Finally made it to 30F with Team Unappreciated, levels currently in the lower 300's. Time to commence mega-ultra level grinding mode.

Good luck man

I know it's doable

[Esoterica]

Holy cow, they made it to 30F! I am starting to like all those characters a lot more. I still don't want to use some of them, but I can see that any character can be used well.

I'm feeling extremely tempted to start using Reisen.  Otherwise, the characters I'm interested in that are in Team Appreciated are already on my team. :V

[Parallaxal]

Thanks for the support. 27F grinding is starting to go more smoothly now that Rumia can OHKO Nightmare Cancers with Dark Side of the Moon without my having to buff her MAG beforehand.

[Ghaleon]

Touhou labyrinth needs to be modded dammit. With a party roster that large, equipment selection, stat mechanics, and enemy variety. Changing a few numbers would go a LONG way towards changing the feel of the game while keeping it fun.

Anyway, Garlyle I'm not sure because I don't know the old formula exactly, but it LOOKS like you punched in yuugi's ko in 3 steps as having def/2 instead of def/4. And I recall wiki used to say /4 (that was the one part I was sure of)

[Krimmydoodle]

The database says KOi3S has "DEF Influence: 40", does that mean [Def * 0.4]?  Well, whatever that means, that's what the database says, and I'm under the impression that the database is the definitive goto for the nitty gritty details.

[yoshicookiezeus]

...is it supposed to be possible to not get the PAR effect to activate on enemies with zero PAR resistance? Because this makes twice that has happened with the 18F Peta Grains; once with Narrow Confines of Avici and once with Diamond Blizzard.

[trancehime]

...is it supposed to be possible to not get the PAR effect to activate on enemies with zero PAR resistance? Because this makes twice that has happened with the 18F Peta Grains; once with Narrow Confines of Avici and once with Diamond Blizzard.

Um.

I don't remember the chance of paralysis on either of those two skills, but even if it's pretty high, and against zero PAR resistance, a chance is still a chance.

Guess you were unlucky.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Um.

I don't remember the chance of paralysis on either of those two skills, but even if it's pretty high, and against zero PAR resistance, a chance is still a chance.

Guess you were unlucky.

...I could have sworn that PAR had a set 100-(3xPAR resistance)% chance of occurring, and the numbers associated with different attacks just the power of the PAR effect.

[Garlyle]

Touhou labyrinth needs to be modded dammit. With a party roster that large, equipment selection, stat mechanics, and enemy variety. Changing a few numbers would go a LONG way towards changing the feel of the game while keeping it fun.

Anyway, Garlyle I'm not sure because I don't know the old formula exactly, but it LOOKS like you punched in yuugi's ko in 3 steps as having def/2 instead of def/4. And I recall wiki used to say /4 (that was the one part I was sure of)

Uh, no, I didn't.

The actual DEF influence is 40 (which would be x 0.4) and the damage multiplier is 200 (so that gets doubled, which is 0.8 ).

It's not ridiculously DEF-piercing.  Not sure where people got that idea.  It's on the lower-end of the defense-influence scale for standard attacks though.

[Parallaxal]

Yes, I've seen effects fail on enemies with 0 resistance as well, but it's extremely rare. I usually just don't mind.

The chance might be more like 99% - (3xRES) or something.

[Ghaleon]

Uh, no, I didn't.

The actual DEF influence is 40 (which would be x 0.4) and the damage multiplier is 200 (so that gets doubled, which is 0.8 ).

It's not ridiculously DEF-piercing.  Not sure where people got that idea.  It's on the lower-end of the defense-influence scale for standard attacks though.

That explains it since 0.4 is closer to .5 than .25.
I'm inclined to believe .4 is accurate too since I still see a much more noticeable drop in damage versus high def targets than I do with something like silent Selene versus high mnd targets

[Pesco]

Touhou labyrinth needs to be modded dammit. With a party roster that large, equipment selection, stat mechanics, and enemy variety. Changing a few numbers would go a LONG way towards changing the feel of the game while keeping it fun.

I'd do it, but I need to know and get hold of the tools for doing so.

[Unassuming Squid]

I feel rather stupid.

I really don't like the art style of the original game, and I'd like to install the alternate character images that I downloaded, but I can't find any help on how to do it. So...how do I install the alternate character art?

[Serela]

Move the CharaGraph folder you downloaded into the Touhou Labyrinth folder

[Unassuming Squid]

Wow. I can't believe it was that easy.  :ohdear:

Thanks.

[Parallaxal]

Missed recording Round 1 for this boss, so here's Round 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIIQjXOWIlI

That's actually the first time I've ever seen Final Danmaku - Light Wings Expansion.

[Bananamatic]

Have fun with BoC V2  :V

[Parallaxal]

Have fun with BoC V2  :V

Oh yeah, not looking forward to that one at all...

Incidentally, it turns out that Bloody Papa Ver.2 actually has lower debuff resistance than his Ver.1 form. Wow...this is going to be fun.

EDIT: Yes, it was fun.

Team Unappreciated vs. Bloody Papa Ver.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNiacoKY9wc

Once again, Renko makes this fight a snap. Watch Papa's Washing Machine do 0 damage to an unbuffed Iku who's 70 levels below the Wiki's recommended level. In fact, I didn't even need to heal during this battle.

Bloody Papa is probably the easiest of the Ver.2 Bloodstained Seal bosses if you're using Renko.

[Ghaleon]

I'd do it, but I need to know and get hold of the tools for doing so.

Me too. The translation patcher has seen no ways of doing so short of hex editing the exe file, which is pretty much what cheat engine does.. So yeah, doesn't look very modifiable >=(. WHYYYYYY!!!

[Esoterica]

I replaced Minoriko's graphics with Shizuha, and suddenly I feel much happier about having her in my party. :V

[Garlyle]

Me too. The translation patcher has seen no ways of doing so short of hex editing the exe file, which is pretty much what cheat engine does.. So yeah, doesn't look very modifiable >=(. WHYYYYYY!!!

Nah, Cheat Engine just modifies the active memory.

You'd need to find a way to decompile the exe in order to view the code used.  I bet it's actually really simple after that step, but yeah.

[Esoterica]

So, uh, is there a verdict on HP Komachi vs ATK Komachi yet?

[MysTeariousYukari]

So, uh, is there a verdict on HP Komachi vs ATK Komachi yet?

I'm not the verdict, but I'd say ATK is better then HP with her.

Also, ATK-Komachi isn't just a good SPI-nuke, she's a flat out good nuke, and I think she is better then a lot of other "good nukes." She was comparing to ATK-Remi for a while, then actually started beating her out a bit. She ties with, or is similar to, ATK-Remi in DPS on bosses like SoC or

Spoiler:

***WINNER***

, which for me was rather notable. When I fought SoC 1st time, Remi and Komachi were dealing 1.4~ Million per hit.