Labyrinth of Touhou 5F

[Parallaxal]

Nah, Gathering and Dissapating still removes buffs in 3.01.

[Esoterica]

Not the change in Suika's "Gathering and Dissipating" description.  :V

Once I find Suika again I'll have to find a way to test it to see if it changed at all with Special Disk. If it no longer removes buff then that would be fun.

Hell, I'll go test it right now.

[The Greatest Dog]

I'm kinda disappointed that it still removes her own buffs in 2.04.

What should I have expected?

[Esoterica]

It still removes buffs in 3.01.  I would've been pretty surprised if it didn't.

[trancehime]

Now I can think about a New Game+ and work on getting more *WINNER* kills (I'm rather crazy, yeah).

You think you're crazy, I killed *WINNER* 100 times

[Esoterica]

Started a new game, forgot how much grinding sucked when every character could only use one multi-target skill before needing to switch out.

On the other hand, this'll remain funny until bosses start getting some resistances.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Is that Komachi I see in the 1st slot? I know that the others are Yuyuko

Spoiler:

Maribel

and Minoriko, but I can't quite make out the 1st slot.

[Bananamatic]

meiling

[Serela]

You think you're crazy, I killed *WINNER* 100 times

If you've still got that save, you really should upload a video of doing that fight. Because damn. I suppose it's probably just a normal **Winner** fight with giant numbers and rape speed, but still, it's not like even hackers will ever put that much effort into fighting **Winner**.

[Bananamatic]

yeah there was a winner fight on nico with flandre solo doing 97m damage per hit and him having over 1 billion HP

[Garlyle]

Started a new game, forgot how much grinding sucked when every character could only use one multi-target skill before needing to switch out.

On the other hand, this'll remain funny until bosses start getting some resistances.

Yeah, considering New Game + became 'standard', I'm really surprised the early bosses weren't given at least some Death resistance to compensate.  I mean, really.

Nice to have a free pass through Youmu though.

[Anima Zero]

Speaking of New Game+...

I tried to start one up.  Yeah, transferring characters worked.  It also apparently gave some characters on the first few pages some exp ranging from 500 to almost half a million.  Moreso, page 5 characters all had the exact same status resists and elemental affinities (Which I want to say are Reimu's or very close to it to boot?).

Question I have...does anyone happen to have a New Game+ file that will work in 3.01 without any of the wily occurences I mentioned above and has all characters unlocked and could post up a link or PM me it?  Tried the link in the first post of this topic too and same problem arose.  Thanks in advance.

You think you're crazy, I killed *WINNER* 100 times

True.  I can't imagine how long it took to rack up 100 kills.  I'm curious though if *WINNER*'s stats keep rising after 100 kills or not.  Would be hilarious if his HP or some other stat overflowed or something like that.

[Esoterica]

Question I have...does anyone happen to have a New Game+ file that will work in 3.01 without any of the wily occurences I mentioned above and has all characters unlocked and could post up a link or PM me it?  Tried the link in the first post of this topic too and same problem arose.  Thanks in advance.

Eh, well...I just saved over the brand-new NG+ file I had earlier today, but I could give you my current newest file.  Only a few level ups, almost no skill points spent.

[Anima Zero]

Eh, well...I just saved over the brand-new NG+ file I had earlier today, but I could give you my current newest file.  Only a few level ups, almost no skill points spent.

I suppose if all else fails, I'll have to take that.  I'll check in tomorrow and see what else comes up, if anything.

[Esoterica]

I suppose if all else fails, I'll have to take that.  I'll check in tomorrow and see what else comes up, if anything.

Best of luck then.  Really though, I haven't made any major progress.  Everyone's around level 3-4, the most anyone has for skill points is five levels in one single stat, only boss beaten is China.

[Pesco]

Definitely need to get around to fixing a stock save file then. I'm going to try find the addresses for the switches to 13F and then upload the save with a new cheat table.

[RainfallYoshi]

Since I found out that recruiting Kaguya is going to require a ridiculous amount of BP among some underused people of mine, I decided to skp up Eirin and stick her in my party as a 2nd slot tank, eventually I'll go BP farming with her and Reisen. Oh joys.

My question is this, am I completely crazy in the head for making a DEF-based Eirin? Her offensive capabilities have always been... crap and I fugured she'd work out pretty well if I pumped up her better defensive stat so she could play tank+healer.

[trancehime]

If you've still got that save, you really should upload a video of doing that fight. Because damn. I suppose it's probably just a normal **Winner** fight with giant numbers and rape speed, but still, it's not like even hackers will ever put that much effort into fighting **Winner**.

Someone asked me if I still had the save on IRC

Sadly, I no longer have the save.

[Parallaxal]

My question is this, am I completely crazy in the head for making a DEF-based Eirin? Her offensive capabilities have always been... crap and I fugured she'd work out pretty well if I pumped up her better defensive stat so she could play tank+healer.

Defensive-based Eirin is actually recommended, as it's true that her formulas aren't too great, and her healing spell luckily doesn't rely on how good her MAG is, so you've no pressure to raise her MAG. Personally, I want to try all-out MAG Eirin next playthrough, with the goal of getting some solid numbers for her (along with ATK Komachi, ATK Sakuya, and more).

[trancehime]

Have you even tried an ATK Sakuya good sir?

It is very hard to make effective.

[Esoterica]

Defensive-based Eirin is actually recommended, as it's true that her formulas aren't too great, and her healing spell luckily doesn't rely on how good her MAG is, so you've no pressure to raise her MAG. Personally, I want to try all-out MAG Eirin next playthrough, with the goal of getting some solid numbers for her (along with ATK Komachi, ATK Sakuya, and more).

MAG Eirin is both absolutely terrible.  I went with both of them that way, Eirin was so useless she's pretty much unusable.  Doesn't hit hard, can't take a hit either.

ATK Sakuya is alright for clearing trash with Soul Sculpture and can really put the hurt on low-DEF enemies with Killing Doll, but don't expect her to do anything special.

Let me know how ATK Komachi goes, I'm anticipating a Flandre clone with less damage and less survivability.

[trancehime]

ATK Sakuya is alright for clearing trash with Soul Sculpture and can really put the hurt on low-DEF enemies with Killing Doll, but don't expect her to do anything special.

Yeah, except I don't remember any trash enemies with really low-DEF that made Killing Doll do exceptional damage. At least on the floors where it mattered.

[Esoterica]

Yeah, except I don't remember any trash enemies with really low-DEF that made Killing Doll do exceptional damage. At least on the floors where it mattered.

Me neither. :derp:

[Rikter]

Reimu level 95 should I keep trying Mr. Man or go grind more?

Screw it i'll grind.

[Parallaxal]

Have you even tried an ATK Sakuya good sir?

It is very hard to make effective.

Yes, yes, I have. That's the whole point of the challenge. Normal playthroughs bore me right now.

I took ATK-based Sakuya up to level 250+ on my first playthrough, but that was my first playthrough. I now know a whole lot more about the game, and I want to see if I can do better.

[Pesco]

Do a Suwako solo run :V

[Garlyle]

Let me know how ATK Komachi goes, I'm anticipating a Flandre clone with less damage and less survivability.

Somehow I very much doubt survivability would remain an issue with Komachi.  She'd be the same as ever - she takes a few hits before going down, but you can't do much about reducing that.

Also she'd be ridiculously powerful.  I've been focusing a bit more on her ATK now (Up to beating the final boss I was raising almost entirely HP, with a bit of SP/Speed/Attack) and she's already started to show numbers good enough that I use her on SPI-weak stuff.

[Esoterica]

Okay, her health growth is actually a lot higher than I thought it was, she probably could take a hit.

I'm still skeptical about her survivability though.

[RainfallYoshi]

I'm just going to throw out a list of ideas I've had here.

Things I want to try:

MND Patchy
DEF Remilia
ATK Meiling (lol)
ATK Komachi
DEF Wriggle
DEF Yuugi (pump those affinities!)
SPD Chen (yes really)

Yes, I am crazy.

[Serela]

MND Patchy:I hear people actually use this. She'd probably take 0 damage from almost any magic, although physicals still wipe her and her damage would go down a bit. And her damage isn't really exciting later in the game in the first place... :\
DEF Remilia:Tried it; her survivability really doesn't go up all that much, and her offensive power takes a huge hit. I'd recommend ATK Remi over this.
ATK Meiling:Ha ha, old chap! Well, Healer would be a better heal... it's not the worst idea to use, I guess.
ATK Komachi:A good idea. Her HP takes a huge hit from this, trust me, but she'll do great damage.
DEF Wriggle:She doesn't really need her ATK anyway, mostly just makes her a useful person for randoms.
DEF Yuugi:She'll still get wiped by magic anyway, so
SPD Chen:olololol. IMO you'd be better off doing SPD Aya since her ATK isn't as exciting and she can SPD buff. SPD Aya would be an interesting thing to try, actually.