Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 5F (Read 213147 times)

Esoterica · « **Reply #120 on:** August 02, 2010, 01:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Garlyle on August 02, 2010, 08:28:36 AM

Even awesomer? Breaking
Spoiler:
Yukari
v2's AI by recovering and damaging her so fast after her first Djinn Storm (Slow her, then Marisa w/stupid high SP Recovery + Rumia + Cirno to keep slowed). Her next action was to Djinn Storm me again, but she never used Barrier Release, and was thus stuck in her first phase until I killed her.

"Awesomer" really is the only word for that.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #121 on:** August 02, 2010, 01:26:28 PM »

Quote from: Esoterica on August 02, 2010, 01:23:31 PM

"Awesomer" really is the only word for that.

I broke the 16F boss like that :V

Esoterica · « **Reply #122 on:** August 02, 2010, 01:44:31 PM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on August 02, 2010, 01:26:28 PM

I broke the 16F boss like that :V

I tried to, but I wasn't awesomer enough. :c

Though considering Kaguya, Suwako, and Youmu took her out before she could attack past her first form, I'm not complaining. :V

Parallaxal · « **Reply #123 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:37:26 PM »

Team Unappreciated vs. Utsuho Reiuji:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcjAVvuwL2Q

Got lucky in this fight, and saw Uncontained Nuclear Reaction and Giga Flare only once each. Also showed my status screen info, since I'm no longer worried about time now that youtube has extended the video limit.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #124 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:44:20 PM »

Quote from: Parallaxal on August 02, 2010, 04:27:11 AM

I have. Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEkKG7giHTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLmlGKpATY
Against the infamous 18F boss, Reisen quickly buffs herself and does 70k+ per shot to the Cold and Spirit forms.

I didn't watch the other videos because I'm not far enough in my current playthru to compare but..Honestly that doesn't realy impress me at all. I'm *slightly* lower level (some characters equal, some like china 1 or 2 levels below) with my playthru, and Remi does about 50k damage after fresh buffs to ANY form, is much harder to kill, can spam it much faster, and isn't exploiting any elemental weaknesses... 70k hits fully buffed against 50% elemental weakness that late in the game just isn't really great IMO. I mean I rekon Marisa can do a simple plain old magic missle for similar amounts, without as much buffs.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #125 on:** August 02, 2010, 08:51:08 PM »

Can your Remi really spam her attack much faster than Reisen when she's giving herself 60-80% speed buffs along with everything else? Reisen also buffs herself a little faster, and can rebuff herself quickly and more easily (and not poison herself like Remilia did in your video). And technically, it's closer to 80k. I just round down. Given the speed buffs, she probably could have outpaced Yuugi solo against the Cold form, although I'll give you that Buddha's Stone Bowl synergy puts Yuugi over the top.

Regardless, though, the fact that she can put up numbers that aren't that much lower than Remilia's is pretty decent. Despite Ban's trolling, Remilia is still one of the best and most consistant damage dealers in the main game, and 18F boss is one of the worst matchups for Reisen due to his immunity to debuffs.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #126 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:12:56 PM »

if entire game=early game then yeah

Parallaxal · « **Reply #127 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:17:54 PM »

Remilia doesn't really lose her position until well into the Plus Disk, and most players never even get that far. On 18F boss, her buffed damage output is actually comparable to a buffed Nitori's; she does about half as much damage per hit, but attacks twice as fast, and can still easily take any hit.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #128 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:33:35 PM »

I dunno. I stopped using Remilia when Yuugi started kicking just as much ass with 6000 ATK without equipment at level 67, with a high 3500~ defense as well.

And we have MND tanks. Just ask Iku, and to a lesser extent, Suika. Although Suika's not-nuke has a rather bad formula.

Also, I started reading through the first thread, and when someone asked for help with Alice, somebody suggested using Iku to debuff defense.

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Iku? I don't think so.

Anima Zero · « **Reply #129 on:** August 02, 2010, 09:37:43 PM »

Did a bit of grinding today. Reimu lv557. Scored an Arturos Gem from 30F grinding. Pretty nice.

Also swapped out Kaggy and put 16F in her place for full party ATB gauge filling. Makes most 30F crap get 1-2 turns or so, if that, before they fold.

yoshicookiezeus · « **Reply #130 on:** August 02, 2010, 10:16:32 PM »

Why do I keep getting so unlucky with the timing of Mokou's Resurrection? She always seems to activate it just before my characters have all had their turns, so that I can't swap any attackers in before Fujiyama Volcano... Meiling can take two Volcanos to the face and still survive, but managing to get any attackers in with enough time left until Mokou's turn for them to attack is still not the easiest of tasks. This last attempt I was just about to finish her off with Nitori, but her and Mokou's action bars filled up at the same time. Guess who got to attack first?

Esoterica · « **Reply #131 on:** August 02, 2010, 10:19:04 PM »

Quote from: yoshicookiezeus on August 02, 2010, 10:16:32 PM

Why do I keep getting so unlucky with the timing of Mokou's Resurrection?

Count the health. I think she uses it after dropping below 700,000 HP (starts at 1 million)

yoshicookiezeus · « **Reply #132 on:** August 02, 2010, 10:37:20 PM »

Quote from: Esoterica on August 02, 2010, 10:19:04 PM

Count the health. I think she uses it after dropping below 700,000 HP (starts at 1 million)

But :effort: :V

Anyway, keeping Remilia in the active party for most of the battle helped a lot; with her speed, she could both switch in Nitori for a buffed Linear Gun and get off a Spear the Gungnir before the first Fujiyama Volcano, which was enough to burn through those 80,000 HP Mokou had left. Now that I have all four characters needed, I should probably start using them a bit; it's 1,000 BP total for Eirin, Reisen, Sanae (why?), and Mokou to recruit Kaguya, right?

Serela · « **Reply #133 on:** August 02, 2010, 10:48:38 PM »

Quote from: yoshicookiezeus on August 02, 2010, 10:37:20 PM

Now that I have all four characters needed, I should probably start using them a bit; it's 1,000 BP total for Eirin, Reisen, Sanae (why?), and Mokou to recruit Kaguya, right?

Yup.

yoshicookiezeus · « **Reply #134 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:15:46 PM »

What a coincidence. Mokou seems to be just what I was lacking when it comes to dealing efficiently with the 15F randoms, especially those annoying resistant-to-everything-but-fire Spectres. Trying out characters that I never really used in my previous playthrough is always fun.

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #135 on:** August 02, 2010, 11:39:12 PM »

Mokou is really underrated. While I dropped her for bosskilling due to team constraints I still bring her out as my floor-clearing team since her attacks are very good for clearing mobs.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #136 on:** August 03, 2010, 02:36:19 AM »

Quote from: 玲緒Hime on August 02, 2010, 10:18:22 AM

I dunno, they both have 10 Billion in their respective defenses...

That is NOT enough. I had well over 3M attack for Flandre and I was not doing a lot of damage.

EDIT: Oh wait, if you were referring to V1 then I am sorely mistaken >_>

Yes, I was refering to the V1s, but I do plan on pretty much OHKOing the V.2 Twin Habachis. I thought they had 1 Billion, not 10... Oh well :V That's just more SKP spending on Flan-chans ATK and MAG for me :V 2500-2000 ATK-MAG SKL Levels should hold her for now though :3 Oh, and my Flan-chan is like level 250-ish XD

Esoterica · « **Reply #137 on:** August 03, 2010, 02:53:45 AM »

Quote from: AlexX Unlimited on August 02, 2010, 11:39:12 PM

Mokou is really underrated. While I dropped her for bosskilling due to team constraints I still bring her out as my floor-clearing team since her attacks are very good for clearing mobs.

It's not that she's underrated, it's that she had Reisen-tier spells and MAG, but without a self-buff.

Though Fujiyama Volcano is pretty good. Not Hourai Barrage or Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana good, but it's passable.

Generalguy · « **Reply #138 on:** August 03, 2010, 03:17:34 AM »

Tried to get a Floppy Bunny-Ear Headband in 13F (to fill up my equipment list), but those rabbits just wouldn't ever drop it. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong or if that drop is just that rare, because Reimu gained like 6 levels since I started.

13F is good for grinding at least, everything just dies so fast. No bronze golems or blackenmels to make the fights take forever.

gakpakeerror · « **Reply #139 on:** August 03, 2010, 04:21:22 AM »

Quote from: MysteariousYukari on August 03, 2010, 02:36:19 AM

Yes, I was refering to the V1s, but I do plan on pretty much OHKOing the V.2 Twin Habachis. I thought they had 1 Billion, not 10... Oh well :V That's just more SKP spending on Flan-chans ATK and MAG for me :V 2500-2000 ATK-MAG SKL Levels should hold her for now though :3 Oh, and my Flan-chan is like level 250-ish XD

the skill levels.. the level..
lvl 250 Flan vs Dual Hibachi v1.
oh my... :ohdear:

I've done something wrong, I assume.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #140 on:** August 03, 2010, 04:36:33 AM »

Quote from: gakpakeerror on August 03, 2010, 04:21:22 AM

the skill levels.. the level..
lvl 250 Flan vs Dual Hibachi v1.
oh my... :ohdear:

I've done something wrong, I assume.

? I take it you turned them into flaming piles of dead? Or did they do that to you?

Serela · « **Reply #141 on:** August 03, 2010, 04:38:31 AM »

Quote from: MysteariousYukari on August 03, 2010, 04:36:33 AM

? I take it you turned them into flaming piles of dead? Or did they do that to you?

I think he's talking about you ;P

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #142 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:09:54 AM »

Quote from: NeoSerela on August 03, 2010, 04:38:31 AM

I think he's talking about you ;P

So Nanoka~

But seriously, I don't see what's so :ohdear: about it. Maybe I'm just dumb, or maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, but I don't quite get what is so worthy of "I've done something wrong, I assume"

Esoterica · « **Reply #143 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:41:26 AM »

Quote from: MysteariousYukari on August 03, 2010, 05:09:54 AM

So Nanoka~ But seriously, I don't see what's so :ohdear: about it. Maybe I'm just dumb, or maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, but I don't quite get what is so worthy of "I've done something wrong, I assume"

If I'm not mistaken, you were at least 100 levels overleveled.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #144 on:** August 03, 2010, 05:59:14 AM »

The skill levels say he's hacking. Not all of us are patient after all, and it's a game, so if that's what he wants to do to have fun, so be it.

That said: you're going to need to hack in a fucking ridiculous Flan if you want to OHKO, hell, even defeat, Twin Hibachis v2. I tried it myself with a Level 10000 Flan with bonuses invested in Attack (note that, due to how the stat mechanics work, levels are more important than skill levels, so a Level 250 character is still going to be limited regardless of how much Skill you invest in them), and a Skill Level 5000 in Attack, which gets me about 150,000,000 Attack+Magic. It's enough to OHKO ***WINNER***, but still deals 0 to Physical Hibachi v2 due to his 1,000,000,000 Defense (Forbidden Fruit/Laevatein will also deal 0 to Magical Hibachi v2 due to its 1,000,000,000 Mind, though you can kill that one with Starbow Break). You're better off hacking in a high-level Kaguya if you want to OHKO Twin Hibachis, since Hourai Barrage will ignore those defenses.

Esoterica · « **Reply #145 on:** August 03, 2010, 06:02:50 AM »

Speaking of a lack of patience, I'm starting a new game tomorrow because my glass cannon builds are made of fail. Still deciding on the team, but it'll definitely contain Tenshi, Iku, Minoriko (unless I catch the dumb and try Sanae again), and

Spoiler:

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MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #146 on:** August 03, 2010, 06:08:53 AM »

Quote from: Krim on August 03, 2010, 05:59:14 AM

The skill levels say he's hacking. Not all of us are patient after all, and it's a game, so if that's what he wants to do to have fun, so be it.

I've beaten everything in 2.04 already, so this is more like my next shot, and not limiting myself

Yes, I am cheating.

Quote from: Krim on August 03, 2010, 05:59:14 AM

That said: you're going to need to hack in a fucking ridiculous Flan if you want to OHKO, hell, even defeat, Twin Hibachis v2. I tried it myself with a Level 10000 Flan with bonuses invested in Attack (note that, due to how the stat mechanics work, levels are more important than skill levels, so a Level 250 character is still going to be limited regardless of how much Skill you invest in them), and a Skill Level 5000 in Attack, which gets me about 150,000,000 Attack+Magic. It's enough to OHKO ***WINNER***, but still deals 0 to Physical Hibachi v2 due to his 1,000,000,000 Defense (Forbidden Fruit/Laevatein will also deal 0 to Magical Hibachi v2 due to its 1,000,000,000 Mind, though you can kill that one with Starbow Break). You're better off hacking in a high-level Kaguya if you want to OHKO Twin Hibachis, since Hourai Barrage will ignore those defenses.

FFFFFF- Well then, this victory will be that much better, should I achieve it! Please note, my file hasn't even entered 21F yet, as I had only recently gotten the 3rd star needed.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #147 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:00:07 AM »

Team Unappreciated vs. Kedamagrammaton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRjMzkPPRbc

Since I lacked DEF/MND piercing attacks aside from Nitori (and Rumia), I focused on surviving Rankain instead. Which was just as well, given that the boss decided to start off the fight with Rankain.

Pesco · « **Reply #148 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:28:57 AM »

Just watched your vids for the first time. The turns management must have taken a bit of practice. Were you overlevelled for Kedagrammaton?

Parallaxal · « **Reply #149 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:32:58 AM »

Wiki recommends lvl 275+. I'd estimate my party is equivalent to about Reimu lvl 272 or so, given that Minoriko levels faster than her, and I've never left Minoriko at the mansion since starting this playthrough.

I'm pretty sure I could have done this earlier, actually, but I hadn't finished exploring 27F until just now. I've done minimal grinding aside from the standard full exploration of each floor.