Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

 
Please login or register.

Author Topic: Why is Suika so short?  (Read 518 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Hashmalum

  • Member
Why is Suika so short?
« on: July 30, 2010, 04:03:28 am »
So I recently read this, which suggests that Suika is actually Shuten Douji. Two problems:

(1) Shuten Douji was "nearly twenty feet tall with flaming red hair" (source), and Suika is... somewhat shorter than that.
(2) Shuten Douji is dead, killed by decapitation.

There is, however, a way around both of these problems: what if Suika is actually Shuten Douji's severed head? I know this sounds crazy, but give some thought as to what powers Suika logically needs to have in order to perform her observed feats. Her stated power is the ability to manipulate density. She has been observed to change into mist and back again, and to turn her own hairs into mini-Suikas. Density manipulation can give her the (lack of) density characteristic of mist, but when she turns into mist, she is shaped like a cloud of mist rather than shaped like Suika. So to turn back, increasing her own density isn't enough, she needs to be able to take her own shape again. I postulate that she can turn her own mass, or any lesser portion thereof, into her own form--hence, the mini-Suikas. Therefore, if she is decapitated, her head should be capable of turning into mist before losing consciousness and then reforming into her original form--but smaller, since she has less mass to work with. Essentially, the Suika we are familiar with is a mini-Suika of the original! And that's why she's so tiny--she was literally cut down to a fraction of her former size. *sniff* Poor Suika :(

Of course, I haven't read all the canon sources. I haven't seen every ending of every game, or read every manga. But it makes sense. Comments?

(PS: The fact that vampires can turn into swarms of bats, and can regenerate from even one of those bats, possibly explains in a similar fashion where Flandre's clones in Four of  a Kind come from. All she has to do is turn into bats, then regenerate from a single bat four times. Theoretically Remilia could do the same thing too. Why doesn't she? It probably does some strange things to your sense of identity, or requires a warped self-conception to start with. Flandre might be able to do it only because she is crazy.)

Offline nintendonut888

  • Eternal ⑨ Maiden
  • Member
  • please to be over now summer kthx
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 04:17:49 am »
Without reading any of that post, I give you a suggestion from canon:

nintendonut888: Hey Baity. I beat the high score for Sanae B hard on the score.dat you sent me. X3

Baity: For a moment, I thought you broke 1.1billion. Upon looking at my score.dat, I can assume that you destroyed the score that is my failed (first!) 1cc attempt on my first day of playing. Congratulations.

Offline Cadmas

  • Member
  • Can't Sleep Sign 「Everyones Too Noisy」
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 04:22:03 am »
Suika isn't short she just chooses to be that size. The smaller you are the faster you can get drunk.
Youtube Profile

Offline Nishimura Erebus

  • Charge Punch, SlappyHappy
  • *
  • for y'all yuri fags
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 04:24:10 am »
Quote
Suika isn't short she just chooses to be that size. The smaller you are the faster you can get drunk.

Plus she doesn't have to remain short either. I no longer see problem here.
Mystic Mutation|Gourmet Road to Hades

May the beauty of our goddess shine upon you.

Offline Ayuka Nekomata

  • Everlasting Pursuer of the Cute
  • Member
  • I flipped two coins and ended up with two tails.
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 04:55:00 am »
Suika can make herself as big as she wants pretty much anytime she wants. I think the biggest problem you're running into here is that saying that Suika is Shuten Douji is misleading. Rather she is BASED ON Shuten Douji. She doesn't have to be completely like or even a little like Shuten Douji. That's just likely where the original idea came from.

As for you ideas on Four of a Kind, I think they're interesting and I'd read a fanfiction/doujinshi on it, but as far as fan theory goes I think you're overthinking it. Flandre can split because she can (probably more because it made an interesting game mechanic than anything else).
"You better start making complete sense or no sense at all. I accept no middle ground!" -Bonus Stage
Neko Arrange

Offline Yadogari

  • The Master Of The Two Character Response
  • Member
  • Bored to hell and back.
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 05:04:25 am »
So it's easier to dodge danmaku.
Not allowed on "chatting stuff" but I don't think forums count...
Youtube

Offline Sabino

  • Member
  • Yes it works! Only 409 more scripts to go!
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 05:33:50 am »
Actually, there's one thing you forgot to mention about Shuten-douji.
Shuten-douji is supposed to be the boss of the Shitenou (Or the 4 divas you call them in the English translated ones...)
If so, Suika's supposed to be a rank higher than Yuugi, but from what we've seen so far, both of them are shitenou.
From these kinds of stuff which don't add up, I think we shouldn't be sticking to the original legends too much when it comes to these Onis.
Rusted Ruins

Online Puni Puni Moemy

  • The Heavens call, the Earth calls, the fans call~! And heads will roll if this video doesn't sell~!
  • *
  • #1 Rin Satsuki fan~
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 05:46:46 am »
Suika can make herself as big as she wants pretty much anytime she wants.

Y'know, I've always wondered... Has it ever been said whether there's an upwards limit to how big she can get?  I mean, if she wanted to, could she, for instance, grow to TTGL scale?  Or is she just limited to growing as big as a house/mountain/Godzilla?

Offline Drake

  • did you just steal my cheese
  • *
  • prepare to be dead
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 09:05:11 am »
Incoming powerlevel discussion.
Youtube

Offline Rosie Rune

  • Member
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 04:32:38 pm »
Because it's amusing to have a small cute girl who's also very strong. Same reason in the "TF2 classes as animu girls" pictures, the Heavy is a loli.

Offline Ayuka Nekomata

  • Everlasting Pursuer of the Cute
  • Member
  • I flipped two coins and ended up with two tails.
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 04:37:05 pm »
Incoming powerlevel discussion.
It's over nine thou- *shot*
"You better start making complete sense or no sense at all. I accept no middle ground!" -Bonus Stage
Neko Arrange

Online Tsukiko

  • Everything you see is real
  • *
  • ほんっとにどうしようもないヘンタイね!
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:19 pm »
Suika is short because she hates me, and wants to deceive me into letting my guard down when I go against her in Double Spoiler, where she summarily crushes me, over and over, and laughs.

Offline Suikama

  • 外人「Fuuuuuuuuck!!!!!」
  • *
  • Seifuku time~
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 05:27:14 pm »
what if Suika is actually Shuten Douji's severed head?
:yukkuri:

Offline KrackoCloud

  • One-eyed nyuudou
  • Member
  • Nice weather today.
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 06:23:02 pm »
Because it's amusing to have a small cute girl who's also very strong.
Probably the best and most probable reason.
Oh hey [don't] look it's my dA

Offline Nobu

  • suwakotongue.jpg
  • *
  • ケロケロ~
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 08:24:10 pm »
Because it's amusing to have a small cute girl who's also very strong.

That, and she complements Yuugi quite nicely.
Nobu's DA

Offline KimikoMuffin

  • Mew!
  • Member
  • :3
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 08:26:57 pm »
That, and she complements Yuugi quite nicely.

Quote
Immaterial and Missing Power: released December 2004
Subterranean Animism: August 2008
???

Offline Nobu

  • suwakotongue.jpg
  • *
  • ケロケロ~
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2010, 08:32:35 pm »
:irrelevant release date information:

I was talking about the fact that they're a pair of Onis, fool. :P

Nobu's DA

Offline Chronometer

  • Time, what is time..?
  • Member
  • shhh, it's a metaphor...
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2010, 10:07:35 pm »
I think it's because Suika is just really really dense
in the end, they're just games. So don't get too worked up about it, okay?

Online Iryan

  • A dreamworld? How intriguing...
  • Member
  • Ponder the imponderable!
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2010, 10:10:18 pm »
It's because her gourd never runs out of sake, so she doesn't need money.


*ba-dum-tish*


I think it's because Suika is just really really dense
In before goddamn batman.
Danmakufu apprentice, now back with a boss battle for the Astral Knight Konngara!

Update! Version 1.1 is now ready for download.

Offline soloista

  • Member
Re: Why is Suika so short?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2010, 04:46:56 am »
what if Suika is actually Shuten Douji's severed head?

HEAD ON!

And she's the right size. Sort of.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2010, 04:53:21 am by soloista »

 

Powered by SMF 2.0 RC3 | SMF © 2006–2010, Simple Machines LLC
ModernDark64 design by BlocWeb
Page created in 0.66 seconds with 15 queries.