So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.

[Unassuming Squid]

Anyways am I like the only person that refers to themselves as a Touhoufag outside of these here'em forums?

I did it once. Then I felt funny and decided never to do it again.

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

I'm not sure, but I think the whole concept of 'the game' started by either a touhou comic, or a rewrite of a touhou comic. probably just that one page though. also, advent cirno.

oh, and alot of the Mugen Touhou characters are either half-assed, completely made up, or unavailable. one of the biggest hate factors for me was the fact that some dick was stupid enough to fake a Satori Komeiji character as an april fools joke! RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!!... Seriously, though. Other than that, the touhou fandom doesn't bother me.

what DOES bother me is that ZUN seems to have a complete refusal to involve any shota in Touhou whatsoever. I mean, there are plenty of loli's some are more pubescent than others, but their loli none the less. and the only men that ARE in Touhou are either really old (physically), some random pet, or the owner of a random shop!!!!!! I WANNA FIGHT A POWERFUL SHOTA DAMNIT! YOUKAI OR NOT!!!!!!!!!

okay... I'm done.

oh, you may have guessed, but yes I am a Satori Komeiji fan. But my name is also the name of one of my many characters, who is a Satori-like being from- well, that would be going off topic.

[trancehime]

Let's hate on ZUN because he wants to be consistent with his universe and the characters he creates.

Exemplary behavior from a fan right there. 

[Drake]

oh, and alot of the Mugen Touhou characters are either half-assed, completely made up, or unavailable. one of the biggest hate factors for me was the fact that some dick was stupid enough to fake a Satori Komeiji character as an april fools joke! RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!!... Seriously, though. Other than that, the touhou fandom doesn't bother me.

what DOES bother me is that ZUN seems to have a complete refusal to involve any shota in Touhou whatsoever. I mean, there are plenty of loli's some are more pubescent than others, but their loli none the less. and the only men that ARE in Touhou are either really old (physically), some random pet, or the owner of a random shop!!!!!! I WANNA FIGHT A POWERFUL SHOTA DAMNIT! YOUKAI OR NOT!!!!!!!!!

But my name is also the name of one of my many characters, who is a Satori-like being from- well, that would be going off topic.

And here we have a prime example. Jesus christ.

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

it's not consistent it's just discriminatory gender focus. youkai are still youkai and humans are still humans even if they get all bigender on us. being consistent is the reason he doesn't bring more pc 98 characters back. being consistent is why the whole story doesn't collapse in on itself. being consistent has nothing to do with spamming an all female cast every game. in other words:

BEING CONSISTENT IS BEING CONSISTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trancehime]

it's not consistent it's just discriminatory gender focus. youkai are still youkai and humans are still humans even if they get all bigender on us. being consistent is the reason he doesn't bring more pc 98 characters back. being consistent is why the whole story doesn't collapse in on itself. being consistent has nothing to do with spamming an all female cast every game. in other words:

BEING CONSISTENT IS BEING CONSISTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what the hell are you trying to say here? Yeah, consistent is being consistent.

ZUN has made the Touhou cast predominantly female and for the sake of consistency it's going to stay that way. I don't see what's so discriminatory about ZUN focusing more on the females - note that characters like Rinnosuke and Youki exist, so he hasn't completely ignored the male demographic in Gensokyo. Nor has he mentioned that males are inherently weak in Gensokyo. it's just unexplored. That doesn't imply anything discriminatory to me.

I'm surprised I even bothered to dignify that post with a response...

[Drake]

At this point, it is definitely relevant. People shat their pants when they saw Unzan. Face it, a mainly female cast is one of the reasons Touhou is Touhou.

ALSO PUTTING PHRASES IN ALL CAPS AND OVERUSING EXCLAMATION MARKS MAKES ME MORE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bias Bus]

oh, and alot of the Mugen Touhou characters are either half-assed, completely made up, or unavailable. one of the biggest hate factors for me was the fact that some dick was stupid enough to fake a Satori Komeiji character as an april fools joke! RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!!... Seriously, though. Other than that, the touhou fandom doesn't bother me.

what DOES bother me is that ZUN seems to have a complete refusal to involve any shota in Touhou whatsoever. I mean, there are plenty of loli's some are more pubescent than others, but their loli none the less. and the only men that ARE in Touhou are either really old (physically), some random pet, or the owner of a random shop!!!!!! I WANNA FIGHT A POWERFUL SHOTA DAMNIT! YOUKAI OR NOT!!!!!!!!!

Have you fought any of the other Touhou!Mugen Characters? Trust me, they are worth more than a punch to the monitor screen. From what I understand, the mugen community isn't to fond of them either, at least those who use traditional methods rather than the Touhou way of using spam to win (which to them comes off as increadibly cheap). I'm gonna say that a good number of them are fun to fight, but only if you know how to get past all the spam first.

The last part of your post reminds me I was supposed to be working on Shota Dragon project...oops.

[Unassuming Squid]

it's not consistent it's just discriminatory gender focus. youkai are still youkai and humans are still humans even if they get all bigender on us. being consistent is the reason he doesn't bring more pc 98 characters back. being consistent is why the whole story doesn't collapse in on itself. being consistent has nothing to do with spamming an all female cast every game. in other words:

BEING CONSISTENT IS BEING CONSISTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what

I'm really not sure what you were trying to say.

Face it, having a 99% female cast just makes Touhou Touhou. Asking to change that is like asking to change spellcard rules.

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with having a 99% female cast. It gives me a ton of female characters that I'm genuinely interested in. Before Touhou, all my favorite characters were either male or androgynous: Pyramid Head, Cthulhu, Dante, Kefka, Exdeath, etc., etc.

But I'm going off-topic now, so I'll shut up.

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

oh wow. a character with a name who owns a shop. I APOLOGIZE!!!! also: unexplored?! that's not a really good reason at all. If it's still unexplored, then EXPLORE IT! The only reason Rinnosuke and Youki exist is so that people don't say the things that I said. I'm talking about an important, not dead, in a touhou game, male character.(also, just because I type in all caps doesn't always mean I'm angry. It just means that that particular bit is a little 'louder' than the rest)

...fuck now people are going to percieve me as a whiny bitch like everyone else does... damn I gotta stop posting late at night.

also: I know aout the shota dragon project, but it's a shame its not canon.

and saying unzan was important is like saying that rinnosuke is important. face it, he isn't. (although unzan can fight with his big ass fists)

[Dead Princess Sakana]

that's not a really good reason at all. If it's still unexplored, then EXPLORE IT!

Who are you again to claim that Zun has to bow to the will of the fans?
Show some respect for his work instead of only complaining about the things you don't like. If Touhou doesn't appeal to you as it is, I don't know what you're doing here.

Zun will do what he wants with Touhou, because it's his creation. If he wants to listen to the fans, that's his choice, but he has no obligation to please their needs.

[Ubiquitial]

Who are you again to claim that Zun has to bow to the will of the fans?
Show some respect for his work instead of only complaining about the things you don't like. If Touhou doesn't appeal to you as it is, I don't know what you're doing here.

Zun will do what he wants with Touhou, because it's his creation. If he wants to listen to the fans, that's his choice, but he has no obligation to please their needs.

Nah, I think he just likes Cirno a lot.

[Ghaleon]

I think Zun listens to his fans enough to manipulate him towards making his Cirno game, as a gradual process...Getting rid of total female domination in Touhou though would be a huge change in direction. It would likely piss off more fans than please IMO.

There are heaps of games with complete male dominance anyway, but nobody thinks twice about it. Granted most of those games don't have 1/4 of the cast size of Touhou, but still, people associated Touhou as a loli-only series long ago, and it has to stay that way to a certain extent, or else it just wont be Touhou anymore (most likely).

[trancehime]

oh wow. a character with a name who owns a shop. I APOLOGIZE!!!! also: unexplored?! that's not a really good reason at all. If it's still unexplored, then EXPLORE IT! The only reason Rinnosuke and Youki exist is so that people don't say the things that I said. I'm talking about an important, not dead, in a touhou game, male character.(also, just because I type in all caps doesn't always mean I'm angry. It just means that that particular bit is a little 'louder' than the rest)

Excuse me? Have you not read any official material at all?

[Dead Princess Sakana]

I think Zun listens to his fans enough to manipulate him towards making his Cirno game, as a gradual process...

I won't say he isn't influenced.
He surely is, as such is the nature of feedback someone gets on their work. And the fandom is, in a sense, a kind of feedback.
But people who seriously believe they can make demands to the creator, well, irk me.

[Ghaleon]

I won't say he isn't influenced.
He surely is, as such is the nature of feedback someone gets on their work. And the fandom is, in a sense, a kind of feedback.
But people who seriously believe they can make demands to the creator, well, irk me.

I can make them all I want, you can't stop me. Now expecting to be listened to, that's another story.
It is kinda wonky to assume ones own wishes represents the whole fanbase though IMO.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

Now expecting to be listened to, that's another story.

That's the part I meant, obviously.

[Iryan]

Usually this is precisely the kind of thing I am opposed to in forums, but...

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Ahaha, Oh wow.jpg

[orinrin]

Bravo, this is what I wake up to at 4 AM in the morning.

[7TC7]

Reading through this thread I kinda didn't wanna parttake in it but two things just stood out to me.

1. Why is Cirno in 12.8?
- It's simple. It's a game about the three fairy mangas. Sure, he could have made one of them, or all three of them playable, but considering he wanted to make bullet patterns for them, he needed someone on equal level to fight against them. Considering Cirno is A) a fairy and B) already connected with the other three fairys makes her quite an obvious choice.

2. Why no male bosses?
- Simple too, if you know that ZUN has a hard time writing songs for male characters. He stated this in Shuu Sou Gyokus music comments and probably elsewhere. Why should he make it harder upon himself, if he's just making the games because he likes to? Also, it's not like their will be many complaints about an all female cast.

[Bananamatic]

fyi we are all touhoufags
-fag is nothing negative, it just describes you belong to some kind of a group or do some activity
to quote ED:

A term of derision/endearment. your affiliation/location suffixed with "fag"; e.g. Macfag, Britfag, newfag, Scifag, etc.

memes can die
"touhou is harder than X" is good practice for rage control, it might also be a troll

no one realizes that they could change the shape of fanon by taking their creativity in their own hands and going out and DRAWING or WRITING or COMPOSING something

What about the untalented losers like me? :V

[trancehime]

The ethnicity of using the "-fag" suffix can be disputed, while most people who use it don't mean any harm it may be unintentionally offensive to certain people. Let us respect the wishes of these people.

[Sen]

I have a great distaste towards the word fag for some reason.. It doesn't really apply to me in any literal sense or whatever, I just hate it. To me it's about as polite as as a serious"fuck you". I thought about not saying it in the thread title actually but I heard the term so often, I figured I should leave it.

I'm gay and I still call people fags, so take that as you will. I think its usage just changed over time, at least on the internet :derp:

[Dead Princess Sakana]

I think its usage just changed over time, at least on the internet :derp:

An insult has changed into such a commonly used term that noone cares anymore what it actually means. I think that say a lot about the level on which some parts of the net operate :/

[Bananamatic]

 :V

[trancehime]

An insult has changed into such a commonly used term that noone cares anymore what it actually means. I think that say a lot about the level on which some parts of the net operate :/

It actually means a cigarette.

See: Banana

[Bananamatic]

Fag, a junior boy who acts or acted as servant ("fagging") to a senior boy at a British independent school

the more you know

[Patorikku]

I guess at this point, it would seem redundant to make this point, but the fan-dumb is really a part of all of us. We all have seen our fair share of memes being spurted out everywhere, and direct references being made where it barely makes logical sense, (mentioning Sakuya in that one knife throw kill video) and we've complained about them, however let's not forget that each and every last one of us have gone and thrown around a couple memes too. I mean, even if I absolutely despise the "PAD" jokes, (they're natural, dammit!) I know I've gone around yelling "You (9)!" somewhere. In the end, we are all hypocritical idiots. Regardless, Ruro had a point of just creating something of our own, if we didn't like the fan-dumb, like...

The last part of your post reminds me I was supposed to be working on Shota Dragon project...oops.

Wait, is that still alive? I drew one picture, look away, turns into a whole project, look away again, and I never see much of it again.  :V

[trancehime]

Regardless, Ruro had a point of just creating something of our own, if we didn't like the fan-dumb, like...

To that I mention wise words from Banana:

What about the untalented losers like me? :V

[Kyaksa]

Well no one has to right to tell the creator of an universe what to do and also he's succeful(sp?) so there's no need to change. Each of his games bring whimsecal plot to meaningful ones. But I can't help but feel completely bother by a domanice(sp? ;O; Forgive my aweful spelling) of a certain gender.

  Maybe it's me looking too much into things... But even despite all the characters (ignoring fandom) having complete balance within the World of Gensokyo, they are of course girls/eternal-youth-living women, thus sex objects as well (  Again, I'm may be overlooking things and saying crap, please forgive me). That's why they're popular in the first place.... pro-male or pro-female there's almost no balance within the sex when a game/anime Universe (as I can say for some books as well).

 :ohdear: I would really like there to be a fightable normal looking male (of course this will never happen unless X3 Rinnosuki comes and fight at least ONE mid-boss/Boss battle), maybe anime like and not Machosim.

I always hate when they make one gender pro-active... is bothersome. Touhou is somewhat an exception but nearly 40/50 females and 5 males doesn't sound at all nice DX.

 :derp: that is all. _Iamfail