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So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« on: July 24, 2010, 04:31:33 AM »
Seems like most Touhou fans list Touhou fans as their #1 hate for Touhou. They say 90% of the fans are morons or whatever. I'm just curious, where exactly do they see this raging retardation? Is it in the fan-art? The awful porn? The fanfiction writers?

I generally stick to just playing the fangames, and chatting on this board (though I pop in DS and poosh occasionally, I use this one more than those two combined X4 though..or something). Either way, I don't really see a whole bunch of idiocy regarding the fans in Touhou (Except I found those awful masturbate signatures on DS to be really dumb, but whatever).

What/where is the fan-dumb? What are they guilty of? Why the Hatate, err hate?

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 04:36:25 AM »
I don't see the "fandumb" as a group of people so much as a group of ideas. It's just an expression of weariness from hearing a set of memes too often. A lot of these memes die out, and are replaced by new ones. They exist in nearly every "fan" community in some form. As far as Touhou goes, I don't think it's that big a deal. I can't think of any memes that particularly infuriate me or something.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 04:47:35 AM »
For me, it's the fans that take it upon themselves to spread the obnoxious memes, the unneeded porn art, or the crazy IOSYS mixes that seem to be everywhere. These are the things that embody what I dislike about the fandom.

My friend always refers to Alice as "oh, that girl from Marisa Stole The Precious Thing". This doesn't drive me so crazy though because he's NOT a Touhou fan. If I heard someone who claims to be a Touhou fan say that though, I might just explode.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 04:55:26 AM »
Finally, a thread I can fully utilize my one specialty; hatred.

I can say that alot of the haterade comes from different sorts of in-jokes/memes from either the games or from various videos on the net, most of said jokes, while funny to the average newfag aren't really seen as funny by anyone else or rather THEY RUN IT INTO THE GOD DAMN GROUND to the point where it becomes so overdone that you can't stand to hear it mentioned, not even once (read: "CHEEEEEN!" or "Cirno is (9)"). Coincidentally, I didn't really know how annoying the CHEEEN sfx was until I heard it in a L4D mod....yeah, pretty sure, I'd get sick of that quick. Anyway, there's also alot of shit about so called "fans" depending heavily on the ascinine fanshit that comes out instead of holding any form of respect or regard for the canon that was already created. Why do you think only about a handful of people actually know what's canon in Touhou and what's not? Because none of them make the effort to to look into it, that's why.

I have zero faith in Touhou fandumb at this point, the shit they took on most characters pretty much ruined my views on them completely (Marisa and Wriggle especially). This is one of the reasons I'm glad I'm a PC98 fan, at least here, I don't have to worry about fans coming all up in here fucking shit up.
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 05:02:29 AM »
Finally, a thread I can fully utilize my one specialty; hatred.

Hatred is what drives you?

Anyways, I've never disliked other Touhou fans, and I've never been over-annoyed by the spreading of memes.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 05:16:34 AM »
Same. A lot of it just loses any effect after repetition.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 05:45:13 AM »
I have never seen a fandom as schizophrenic (I use this term in jest, btw) as the Touhou fandom. The fans themselves accuse everyone else of being fan dumb, and it seems that no one realizes that they could change the shape of fanon by taking their creativity in their own hands and going out and DRAWING or WRITING or COMPOSING something, instead of letting others dictate it for them.

I mean, if you loathe something THAT much, then why wouldn't you go out and change it? Instead I hear complaints about how the Touhou fandom ruins Touhou, from the Touhou fandom itself, and it's perplexing at best, disappointing at worst.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 05:48:19 AM »
Same above.

Frankly, I haven't seen anywhere where people spout it like the vuvuzelas in the World Cup, and if it were annoying, there's always the nifty [X] button. Really.

The only touhou fan I'd hate is someone who'd stole and took credits for x. That's about it. The rest is people just being people. If your views are being mesmerized by others, then you don't have a solid view or are undefined on something, just like everything else in life.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 05:55:49 AM »
When a fan says CAVE games are 10x easier than Touhou ones, I kinda just zone out and ignore them.  There was some random comment on a YouTube video where some dood said that Hibachi paled in comparison to Mokou or something.  It got removed, but yeah, you can see where I'm going with this.


Also, the ones who download the games and OPENLY BRAG ABOUT THEM BEING FREEWARE.  I'm pretty mild when it comes to pirating of games and music, but that's just stepping over the line.


Of course there are the meme-spouting ones and the ones who bastardize all our favorite characters and whatnot.

Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 06:04:13 AM »
I'm going to go with Ruro here and say its schizophrenia. The man behind the curtain is making memes and messing with the touhous, but no one can point to who's doing it. I guess for some people its the IOSYS or those that don't read the cannon or maybe its me that's the fan-dumb.

Anyways I am touhoufag.

Please hate me.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 06:05:25 AM »
Boo, I want more hate! You all are from mamby-pamby land or something.

I don't hate the fanbase myself, but I really got the impression the majority of you guys really had a beef with the fans. I mean I think it was obvious in the "what do you like about Touhou thread (I think it was that thread anyway).

Basically what it boils down to for most of you is tiresome memes? I honestly find that rather suprising because I honestly see more ⑨ jokes here than anywhere else, along with other similar lines.

I think the haters are just being shy, boo.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 06:11:41 AM »
"____ game is easier than Touhou", "____ looks like Touhou", "____ looks like Touhou on Easy mode". And the best part ? I recognize most of their names from DS.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 06:12:02 AM »
Part of it is people complaining about stuff they don't like.  Part of it is complaining about stuff that is legitimately bad (and there's a lot of that).  And some of it comes from the various people that insist that ZUNs original characters don't matter and that the characters are whatever you want them to be; which is fine if you're writing your own fan thing, but it's straight out trolling when people are trying to have a meaningful conversation about characters.

It doesn't help that the western fandom is on the low end of the totem poll, and at the mercy of several layers of other fans when it comes to content they receive.  It's really easy to get worked up about things when offical manga is sitting untranslated when the latest "tsundere Alice" doujin gets done in a week, reasonable or no.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2010, 06:13:52 AM »
When a fan says CAVE games are 10x easier than Touhou ones, I kinda just zone out and ignore them.  There was some random comment on a YouTube video where some dood said that Hibachi paled in comparison to Mokou or something.  It got removed, but yeah, you can see where I'm going with this.


Also, the ones who download the games and OPENLY BRAG ABOUT THEM BEING FREEWARE.  I'm pretty mild when it comes to pirating of games and music, but that's just stepping over the line.

That would piss me off, though. Both of 'em.

The second one is less fan-stupidity than generic stupidity, though.
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 06:27:21 AM »
Boo, I want more hate! You all are from mamby-pamby land or something.

Are you ready for a throwdown?

#1 - Jesus Christ on a Pogo stick, stop spewing memes without knowing what they goddamn mean. I've had quite enough of pathetic IOShit (no personal hate for miko or any of those folks though) and I've certainly had enough of people spewing the (9) meme like it was "so i herd u liek mudkipz," that is to say, completely unfounded and nonsensical and it doesn't make you cool at all. The only time I will accept meme usage is in satire, and even then, that's hard to come around nowadays! Also, Ghaleon, the people here who posted don't really spew ⑨ jokes very often at all, it's the other plethora of members that hang out in this very board that are guilty of it. I'm delving into Mode-style territory of posting here so I'll knock it off. It's a very BIG reason as to why I stray away from this godforsaken board on principle.

#2 - Power-level discussions. Why do people try to get others to take them so goddamn seriously if they don't even read on official material and don't bother paying attention to the canon? That's a ridiculous amount of stupid right there and it's just as bad that people are either taking their word for it or they're countering with their own bullcrap which has basically no evidence either. If I want to see a serious power-level discussion, I'll wait until the people who are discussing it are actually discussing it instead of throwing baseless interjections at one another and calling it a "power-level discussion." No. Just... No.

#3 - Re: Ruro - Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen until more people magically begin to think they're actually good at writing / drawing / composing and actually have something to show for it. Sadly, the more confident people don't have the bite to match their bark, and those that DO have potential don't see themselves as anything more than bad. It's a bloody shame, and it leads me to my next point - the problem lies in the fact the people themselves have taken to believing fanon and finding more credit in it more than canon. That is some backwards stupid-as-crap logic right there. Why the fuck do these fans take fanon as the real thing? It is not. They are FREE to believe in it and say it is what makes their favourite character or whatever their favourite, but I cannot stand that there ARE some people I know who take fanon as fact and completely and outrageously deny the truth of the canon. Can't canon and fanon co-exist peacefully? Are the fans THAT stupid?

#4 - Re: SUPREME★ボガス - Seconding the motion. We have a canon v. fanon schism, no? We also have a completely and utterly stupid and bullshit Touhou v. CAVE schism, too. My god, there are PEOPLE out there who like games from both Touhou and CAVE. Since this is about Touhou fandumb, I'll cover that side more than CAVE. These fans seem to think that CAVE games are completely boring, bland, and stupid because they've already been spoilt by the ridiculous amount of resources Touhou gives you and its extremely aesthetic bullet patterns and music. Well, look sir, Touhou isn't a goddamn arcade shmup that's designed to drain quarters out of you. It's the game that can AFFORD to be aesthetic, regardless of whether it's hard or not as it's a one-time purchase of the game! How the hell can you compare a game like that to a shmup that's quite obviously meant for commercial consumption? CAVE games are ARCADE shmups, therefore they are DESIGNED to be hard, difficult, and quarter-draining. Jesus Christ, you people, are you THAT narrow-minded? There are many people here that enjoy both Touhou and CAVE, is it that hard to be like them? it's so completely and utterly stupid. At least, CAVE fanboys even have the decency to say Touhou games aren't their cup of tea because there are too many trick attacks or it's too slow or whatever for them. It's an objective part of Touhou that they are criticizing. Touhou fanboys just say "LOL CAVE IS BORING AND SHITTY LOL" even without trying them, or even REFUSING to try them::)

#5 - Re: IcedFairy - Because I love ninja editing. You know, I've always wondered. There are people out there who are genuinely interested in seeing some meaningful Touhou media or manga or even doujins getting translated. But then they get sad as it never does get translated. Why? Because the translating groups are always having to resort to translating fluff doujins because that's what every other guy wants out their because they only care about their moe shit. It's just not fair, isn't it? There's a lot of official material out there that isn't translated, and this affects my 2nd point heavily because this means official material is less accessible to the Western Touhou fanbase! Sigh... Maybe I should get into this translating business. Argh.

Ultimately, I'd say most of the hate comes from generally HOW stupid these people actually are, and how their existence affects other more reasonable Touhou fans on a larger scale, and it's really very unsettling, not to mention completely moronic as it shouldn't even be this way in the first place. Dear lord, there is a REASON why I don't hang out here. Oh, and to the older members: Remember the Touhou Waifu thread?

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2010, 06:28:57 AM »
I find this forum is pretty bad for fandumb. There's a reason many people don't like Shrinemaiden, and I'm sure that's one of them. But really, the whole thing is very hypocritical; there's going to be fandumb everywhere, and it isn't like just because people go "yeah fuck those touhoufags they're ruining the series", they're automatically exempt from doing/being the same, nor are anyone else.

Go to Youtube? Fag.
Go to Walfas? Fag.
Go to MotK? Fag.
Go to Poosh? Fag.
Go to /jp/? Fag.
Go to /bun/? Fag.
Go to Danbooru? Fag.
Go to DS? Fag.
Go to LR? Fag.
Go to any other community that may briefly if ever talk about Touhou? Fag.
Go to any japanese communities/BBS/imageboards? hell no obviously you're a cool kid then right

Still, there's a lot of things that I would group as "fandumb", whether or not it has anything to do directly with fanon or memes. I would guess the idea for most people is basically "anything someone else does that has to do with Touhou that isn't something official, that pisses you off". I dunno.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2010, 06:31:56 AM »
You can replace the word "fag" with "stupid" and still get a similar effect, for what it's worth.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2010, 06:32:24 AM »
And stuff.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Also, let's not forget about the "Everything is suddenly shit compared to Touhou." sorta deal. It's shit like this that makes me want to FIND the things that aren't so hot about Touhou and shove it down the gullet of the asshat who shat out such a complete load. Do they want extra bull with their shit? I think they do.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2010, 06:34:57 AM »
My primary issue is with the fans who disregard canon and focus entirely on fanon, bastardizing and lowering the complexity of the characters until they become bland, generic shells with the faces of their former selves. Tsundere Alice, psychotic Flandre...the list can go on, I'm sure.

To a lesser extent, many of the memes that get run into the ground harder than a tunnel-boring drill. I can't tell you how tired I am of seeing almost every single form of media involving Sakuya having at least 5 comments about pads.

Of course, it's not like I go into a blind rage about any of these, but I can't help but think: come on, can't we get away from this? Can't we pay attention to the source material and analyze the characters? Can't we have canon and fanon that compliment each other instead of one being a bastardization of the other?

But really, it's not like their ruining the series. ZUN does what he does because he loves doing it, and I doubt he's going to go the route of some general media and adjust the games because of the fanbase, so I don't think the fandumb is going to ruin Touhou.
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2010, 06:38:45 AM »
But really, it's not like their ruining the series. ZUN does what he does because he loves doing it, and I doubt he's going to go the route of some general media and adjust the games because of the fanbase, so I don't think the fandumb is going to ruin Touhou.

Good stuff.

But while fandumb probably won't ruin Touhou at its core, fandumb will ruin people.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2010, 06:40:00 AM »
But while fandumb probably won't ruin Touhou at its core, fandumb will ruin people.
And it might ruin the experience of Touhou for people who try to get into it, and thus drive them away.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2010, 06:44:49 AM »

Damn that's one angry whore.

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I guess you could say I'm...

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2010, 06:45:35 AM »
But really, it's not like their ruining the series. ZUN does what he does because he loves doing it, and I doubt he's going to go the route of some general media and adjust the games because of the fanbase, so I don't think the fandumb is going to ruin Touhou.
Maybe not to the point of threatening the series as a whole, but I'm sure ZUN is even slightly influenced by his fans. There's a reason why Cirno is starring in a game, and likely not just because ZUN likes her.

You can replace the word "fag" with "stupid" and still get a similar effect, for what it's worth.
Sorry if it sounds offensive or whatever. Just using what other people say.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2010, 06:46:45 AM »
Maybe not to the point of threatening the series as a whole, but I'm sure ZUN is even slightly influenced by his fans. There's a reason why Cirno is starring in a game, and likely not just because ZUN likes her.

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Sorry if it sounds offensive or whatever. Just using what other people say.

Nah, it's not that it's offensive or whatever, it's more the fact that you can pretty much substitute that for any insult relating to the fandom and still practically attain the same effect. That's how bad the fandom has degenerated to.

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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2010, 06:50:47 AM »
Maybe not to the point of threatening the series as a whole, but I'm sure ZUN is even slightly influenced by his fans. There's a reason why Cirno is starring in a game, and likely not just because ZUN likes her.
Well, I'm not familiar with the background behind Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler. What reason did ZUN have for making Aya the main character in those games? It would likely be a similar reason for making Cirno the main character of this game.
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2010, 06:56:06 AM »
Well, I'm not familiar with the background behind Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler. What reason did ZUN have for making Aya the main character in those games? It would likely be a similar reason for making Cirno the main character of this game.

Supposedly he had ideas for a StB style game for a long time, but had no character t hat really fit the requirements to star in such a game. So he made Aya show up in PoFV as an introduction to the "picture taking girl", then StB was born.

Doesn't really apply for Cirno in this case IMO

Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2010, 06:58:34 AM »
Supposedly he had ideas for a StB style game for a long time, but had no character t hat really fit the requirements to star in such a game. So he made Aya show up in PoFV as an introduction to the "picture taking girl", then StB was born.

Doesn't really apply for Cirno in this case IMO
....well, scratch that theory, then.

I'm still doubt that Cirno's case is a case of the fandom influencing his work, but I digress.
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2010, 06:59:59 AM »
Well, I'm not familiar with the background behind Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler. What reason did ZUN have for making Aya the main character in those games? It would likely be a similar reason for making Cirno the main character of this game.

I think ZUN just likes to come up with new game play mechanics. Regardless of Cirno's popularity she has ice powers.
Aya and Hatate take pictures; Momiji doesn't. I guess a game about freezing things could have used Letty, but shes not a fairy.

Anyways am I like the only person that refers to themselves as a Touhoufag outside of these here'em forums?
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Re: So, what exactly is the Touhou Fan-dumb, touhoufags, etc.
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2010, 07:05:07 AM »
I think ZUN just likes to come up with new game play mechanics. Regardless of Cirno's popularity she has ice powers.
Aya and Hatate take pictures; Momiji doesn't. I guess a game about freezing things could use have used Letty, but shes not a fairy.

Anyways am I like the only person that refers to themselves as a Touhoufag outside of these here'em forums?

I have a great distaste towards the word fag for some reason.. It doesn't really apply to me in any literal sense or whatever, I just hate it. To me it's about as polite as as a serious"fuck you". I thought about not saying it in the thread title actually but I heard the term so often, I figured I should leave it.

Other derogatory forms of the word gay don't seem to bother me as much though.