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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #870 on: July 26, 2011, 12:09:15 PM »
are there any tricks to patchouli's non-spells? ???
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #871 on: July 26, 2011, 12:49:48 PM »
are there any tricks to patchouli's non-spells? ???
I think they're pretty straightforward. The lasers that appear first also disappear first so you'll want to stay in between the two lasers until the first laser disappears. When it does, go towards the area where it was while dodging the other bullets and repeat.

Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #872 on: July 26, 2011, 08:04:45 PM »
Any advice for how not to panic during Ran's "Wizard Fox Thoughts"?

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #873 on: July 26, 2011, 08:36:37 PM »
Any advice for how not to panic during Ran's "Wizard Fox Thoughts"?
Remember that while it looks big and terrifying, it's actually incredibly simp[le.  Start at the middle, or off to a side a ways if a weaker shottype, and everytime you hear bullets fire, move a tiny distance.  Don't switch directions, that'll just make it harder.  It's just slow, steady, micro streaming, really.

Get this card down quickly- Ran's got a lot worse things she can do to you later.  (Ugh, Charming Siege...)
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #874 on: July 26, 2011, 10:03:21 PM »
Well that spellcard IS pure dodging, only thing that you must know is that the glowing bullets hitbox is way smaller than their graphics,if you need some practice with them you should timeout heaven and hell meltdown with no vertical
It isn't. There are specific openings and movement you can take, that are static, but differ for each square you start in.

Is there any trick to Meiling's "Flower Imaginary Dream Vine" on hard or is it just pure dodging? I've had to bomb this card up to two times and that's obviously not good.
nope, dodge

I think they're pretty straightforward. The lasers that appear first also disappear first so you'll want to stay in between the two lasers until the first laser disappears. When it does, go towards the area where it was while dodging the other bullets and repeat.
wait what

The first and second nons are handled the exact same way on all difficulties.
First two lasers are trivial. Once the second laser goes over, head to the bottom left. Stream to the right. Keep streaming as the next laser starts, pass across the middle once the first laser goes over (or else you just uh run into the laser). Then it's the same thing, but going to the right corner and moving left instead.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #875 on: July 26, 2011, 10:29:41 PM »
Does anyone know how to do Ghost Clifford (Merlin's solo card) on Hard? I can't find replays of ANYONE doing this card (for good reason), but this is one of the only two cards in PCB that I haven't captured (and Benelovent French Dolls on Lunatic is just too overwhelming for me right now) and I want to get it out of my way.

From what I can tell it seems to be a streaming sort of card, but no matter what I try eventually I ram a laser and die. I captured this on Lunatic once but it was purely by fluke and I have no memory of how I did it there. Any help?

Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #876 on: July 27, 2011, 01:43:16 AM »
Anyone have advice on Maid Secret Skill "Marionette" (Sakuya's final spell card, on normal) or is it just relying on dodging? I've tried a few things out and even watched others tackle this obstacle,but I still haven't had any luck.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #877 on: July 27, 2011, 02:55:57 AM »
Marionette comes down to three things: how long you can keep yourself under Sakuya, how well you can misdirect the red wave, and how much the RNG hates you on that particular run.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #878 on: July 27, 2011, 04:16:37 AM »
Anyone have advice on Maid Secret Skill "Marionette" (Sakuya's final spell card, on normal) or is it just relying on dodging? I've tried a few things out and even watched others tackle this obstacle,but I still haven't had any luck.

To be honest, i've always treated it as a semi-streaming card: streaming the blue and red and dodging when needed whn the green waves hit.
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #879 on: July 28, 2011, 01:20:58 AM »
Speaking of Ran, is there any pattern to her "Banquet of 12 General Gods" card?

It looks like a lot of people just go bottom right and micro-dodge inside the little rectangle of bullets, but is there more?

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #880 on: July 28, 2011, 02:12:28 AM »
Speaking of Ran, is there any pattern to her "Banquet of 12 General Gods" card?

It looks like a lot of people just go bottom right and micro-dodge inside the little rectangle of bullets, but is there more?

There are various different ways to defeat that card, but that one is the easiest and most commonly used. (some who abuse the cherry border may have other plans with it though. =D)
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #881 on: July 28, 2011, 06:32:46 AM »
Magicannon "Final Spark" (Normal) with Marisa solo. Ugh =( Anyone have a replay?

I've tried many times to redirect the spark so I can go under her and shoot, but I've had times where I timed out the card

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #882 on: July 28, 2011, 10:19:17 AM »
Magicannon "Final Spark" (Normal) with Marisa solo. Ugh =( Anyone have a replay?

I've tried many times to redirect the spark so I can go under her and shoot, but I've had times where I timed out the card

This card was a pain for me, but i found out that its about timings and positioning, i tend to go to the opposite side where Marisa is, so when she fires her laser it forces me to go under her thus shooting her.

But at times when this is not the case, usually tend to go up wards, yet getting away from the laser ( shown in the 46th second in the replay below). On the side note it may help if you have some knowledge and manipulation of Marisa's fat laser, for when if you are in a tight spot i suppose.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #883 on: July 28, 2011, 05:20:22 PM »
EoSD. Cirno, Lunatic.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 08:43:54 AM by Glimmery15 »

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #884 on: July 28, 2011, 05:45:09 PM »
Eosd. Cirno, Lunatic.
First nonspell: Misdirect the first burst to the side, then sit under Cirno and micrododge the next two. After that, stream and repeat if necessary.

First Spellcard: Don't know if there's anything static in this one, but straight-up dodging is good enough to work.

Second nonspell: All streaming. I usually turn around in the middle of the laser phases, but I suppose anytime works really.

Second Spellcard: Learn when the bullets usually freeze in place so that you won't psyche yourself into colliding with one of them. The shots after that are aimed away from you (from what I've seen), so don't make too big motions when following Cirno - stream them as you go. Then dodge the frozen bullets when they move again.

Third Spellcard: Dodging again. Do your best to follow Cirno, but if the path looks too cluttered then wait for a bigger space to open.
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #885 on: July 28, 2011, 06:08:21 PM »
This card was a pain for me, but i found out that its about timings and positioning, i tend to go to the opposite side where Marisa is, so when she fires her laser it forces me to go under her thus shooting her.

But at times when this is not the case, usually tend to go up wards, yet getting away from the laser ( shown in the 46th second in the replay below). On the side note it may help if you have some knowledge and manipulation of Marisa's fat laser, for when if you are in a tight spot i suppose.

Replay

Excellent! Thanks!

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #886 on: July 28, 2011, 08:34:50 PM »
Because Reimu hates everyone that isn't her

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #887 on: July 28, 2011, 09:49:23 PM »
First Spellcard: Don't know if there's anything static in this one, but straight-up dodging is good enough to work.
It's easiest if you make counterclockwise circles with your dodging. It just kind of fits with the bullets.
The shots after that are aimed away from you (from what I've seen)
It randomizes between aimed-at and aimed-away, actually.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #888 on: July 29, 2011, 01:47:37 AM »
It randomizes between aimed-at and aimed-away, actually.
Actually, it depends on rank. I know at lowest rank it's a 3-spread aimed at you, and at highest rank it's aimed away at you.
Anyways, it's very easy regardless, and you shouldn't get hit by it.

Anyone have advice on Maid Secret Skill "Marionette" (Sakuya's final spell card, on normal) or is it just relying on dodging? I've tried a few things out and even watched others tackle this obstacle,but I still haven't had any luck.
Basically what's said before.
If you are Marisa, you can probably misdirect it upwards or smthing and then shoot Sakuya for as long as you can.
If you are Reimu, you might not be fast enough, and have to make with misdirect only 1 of the waves.
If you stay at the very bottom of the screen too much, you might get some difficult dodging (the waves move closer to you).

are there any tricks to patchouli's non-spells? ???
The first wave has no bullets, and should be extremely easy.
The second wave - stream from left to right.
The third wave - stream from right to left

It's the same for the 2nd nonspell.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #889 on: July 29, 2011, 02:24:24 AM »
Excellent! Thanks!

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I've notied that a couple of her waves in this one can be streamed. The first one especially. I got to about 5 seconds left and she kille dme but I tended to go away form where her amulets would appear and do no focus to getaway in time. SHould help if nothing else. =D

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #890 on: July 29, 2011, 10:11:59 AM »

I've notied that a couple of her waves in this one can be streamed. The first one especially. I got to about 5 seconds left and she killed me but I tended to go away form where her amulets would appear and do no focus to getaway in time. SHould help if nothing else. =D

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This, but the last waves (<15seconds) all depend on positioning and luck, I suppose. The way to do this card is to watch replays and then attempt otherwise you'll screw up your history like mine. 4/332 for Reimu/Yukari, whereas I almost never play Marisa I got 1/2 lol. 

here's one with marisa Here
and one with reimu Here, (Although it says "no" for cleared, it really is cleared just forgot to tick that box for cleared).

Both replays use a similar method or the same.

Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #891 on: August 01, 2011, 11:42:30 PM »
Hollow Giant "Woo".

Perfect run up until that card, which is then bombed three times, deathbombed, and look there's my first death.

Seriously, I have more trouble with that card than I do with freaking Fujiyama Volcano.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #892 on: August 02, 2011, 02:17:47 AM »
You can circle around Mokou to misdirect the waves if you have trouble dodging the bullets down below.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #893 on: August 03, 2011, 02:35:04 AM »
Hollow Giant "Woo".

Perfect run up until that card, which is then bombed three times, deathbombed, and look there's my first death.

Seriously, I have more trouble with that card than I do with freaking Fujiyama Volcano.


I feel your pain but I have found that starting the circling that Kanon mentioned at the upper-left of the screen after Mokou spawns her first wave seems to help ease this card's difficulty.
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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #894 on: August 06, 2011, 02:39:41 AM »
Okay, I think I finally got down Hollow Giant "Woo". Well, sort of. I spell practiced it literally 100 times. 48 caps, which if it were any other spell would be awful, but for this card I'll take it.

I actually already knew about going behind Mokou - ironically that was the problem. I would keep dying by trying to get above her for the second wave. I've started doing the first wave above her and the second wave below - if I follow her along the screen, I cap it just before the bullets start spreading. Assuming I don't get clipped, of course.

Anyway, there's another card I need help with. Jade of the Horrid River. My best run ever against Suwako has me bombing it three times. Enough said.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #895 on: August 06, 2011, 05:41:26 AM »
Anyway, there's another card I need help with. Jade of the Horrid River. My best run ever against Suwako has me bombing it three times. Enough said.

I think you need to actually move up to somewhere higher than halfway up the screen, and tap downwards until all of the bullets have started moving at you. Then you rush towards the bottom. Repeat.

Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #896 on: August 07, 2011, 10:14:46 PM »
I'm not sure rushing down is a good idea. What I normally do is stream down slowly. For the 2nd wave, wait at the bottom until the bullets are about to wall you, then quickly move up through the gap up close to Suwako. Then repeat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24L6cPTvAZI - This is my perfect run of the stage. Use it for a demonstration if you wish. The spell is at 5:43

Okay, I think I finally got down Hollow Giant "Woo". Well, sort of. I spell practiced it literally 100 times. 48 caps, which if it were any other spell would be awful, but for this card I'll take it.

It wouldn't be that bad for LFO, VoWG or PWG.  :V


Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #897 on: August 08, 2011, 12:05:39 AM »
Thanks, that helped a lot! Funny, I was about to ask about Suwa War, but your video explained that perfectly too. I would never go to the top of the screen, thinking that'd be suicide.

First ever capture of Jade of the Horrid River YES! And first ever capture of Misayama Shrine Hunting Ritual just yesterday!

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #898 on: August 09, 2011, 06:54:09 PM »
So, how do you do the glitch to skip Yugi's boss fight with ReimuC?

It'd definitely be nice to pull this off on the Ultra patch if it works there. Countering the total BS of that fight in that patch with more BS.

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Re: "Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #899 on: August 09, 2011, 07:40:24 PM »
So, how do you do the glitch to skip Yugi's boss fight with ReimuC?

Asking this, too. Unfortunately it doesn't even work for me on regular TH11.