"Haaaaaaaaaalp ;O;" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)

[Naut]

He posted in the wrong topic so he edited the content of his post.

[Byaaakuren]

Tongue-Cut Sparrow "Hate for the Humble and Rich"

At the beginning, right before Parsee splits, what determines which direction her real self will go? I've seen replays where she's at the left and at times where she's at the right.

[Drake]

random

why should it matter

[Byaaakuren]

random

why should it matter

Hm...guess not. Thanks

[ふねん1]

random

why should it matter

From a scoring perspective it should, as you need to react to which side she goes and get within the safespot to supergraze before the bullets close it off.

[Drake]

You have plenty of time to get up to her face before she splits, then see which side she's on and run over. Her y-position doesn't ever change, and you don't need to rely on anything to get to the proper side. It's just that, reaction. Doesn't require much of it either.

EDIT: you can even pause once she splits if you really need to

[Zengeku]

Oh yeah. How do you do the post-midboss portion of UFO Extra?

Its just dodging. I've heard you can shoot the orbs in the side of the screen to make things easier on yourself but its nothing i've confirmed.

[Turtlesaur]

Not an actual spell card, but how does the health/lives system in PoFV work? From what the wiki says, it's based on the time you've been alive, object type and if it's a "full collision" or not, but I really don't understand any of the aspects.

Reason I'm asking is because I keep getting hit for 3 damage all the time and I'm trying to figure out if I can get that down a little somehow. I'm getting completely inconsistent results when testing this, probably from the collision thing.

[RegalStar]

I can definitely notice the effect of time and bullet type going on (ramming a fairy stupidly 10 seconds into the match as I frequently do tends to not hurt as much as getting clipped later on, and I've never been hit for only 1 health when getting hit by something that's not a small white bullet (or a fairy)). I don't know much about collision part, though, so I'd imagine that it's kind of based on the imaginative momentum transferred to you on the same direction as where the bullet was heading for when a collision happens. Or something.

It's much easier to just not get hit in the first place, though.

[Krimmydoodle]

It's much easier to just not get hit in the first place, though.

This.  Not to sound like a big sarcastic Captain Obvious, but your mental resources should be spent toward trying to dodge bullets completely.  You don't have time to think about minimizing the damage when you know you're going to get hit (even if you see what appears to see a solid wall advancing toward you and you have no spells, try dodging it anyway; you may surprise yourself, and it makes for some awesome replay stories when you make those random dodges).  There's already two measures in place to prevent you from getting screwed over by this seemingly random damage system anyway: the low damage at the beginning of a round means you're not immediately screwed and don't have to ragequit from stupidly derping into a fairy early on, and the half-orb buffer at the end of your life bar generally equalizes the amount of hits both players end up taking to die over a round.  As much as I'd like to know this myself, it's ultimately not a very important piece of information.

[Turtlesaur]

It's much easier to just not get hit in the first place, though.

My main problem with not getting hit is the RNG everything-at-once stuff in late Lunatic (boss+Lily+EX spam+shot spam+lv2 spam when you're out of charge. I guarantee you won't survive that). Shiki is really bad here and you often have a clear choice between casually bumping yourself into a white bullet or dying to a wall of knives; getting a bonus hit in here would be really useful if possible (getting hit for 2.0 instead of 2.5 when you have 3.0).

Anyway, as far as I've been able to tell you pretty much can't do anything with the 0.5 collision penalty (if it's not just purely random), bullet type doesn't matter and the timer doesn't seem to be anything more fancy than 0.5/15s with -1.0 if you got hit in the past 5 seconds. End result is always between 1 and 3. This is from about 45 min of match mode experimentation, might be different in story mode. I've had a few outlier hits that don't make any sense at all though so I'm still not really sure...

[RegalStar]

By the time things get that hectic, enough time would've lapsed in the match that you're pretty much always going to be hit for 3 anyways. I think in Normal (non-first match)/Hard/Lunatic/Extra, the time gets calculated as if some had already passed even in the beginning.

Also, off topic but those orange things aren't knives. They're bars.

[MTSranger]

Imperishable Shooting.
I'm about to kill someone right now.
0/262 so far. <- the most attempts I've ever had in spell practice (other than Hourai Jewel lunatic, everything else is capped)

Seriously, how am I supposed to move through those gaps reliably? How am I supposed to read them? I almost always fail.
I fail at the 3rd wave 30% of the time, 4th wave 90% of the time, ...
If not for the safespot in 5th/6th wave, I would've never seen the green wave.

[Drake]

Don't move diagonally if you can help it, I guess.

[Nyyl]

Ephemerality 137 Lunatic. Is there a certain way to move through this, or is it just a get lucky card? I've noticed a sort of opening-ish spot on the first wave of red bullets, but the rest of the waves seem to cover all of my escape routes  :ohdear:

[ふねん1]

Get rid of a few familiars on each wave, preferably the ones that hit the walls last. You'll lessen the amount of bullets you need to dodge, and the ones you must evade will be coming from reasonable enough angles (bullets from the last familiars to hit the walls tend to come near horizontally).

[Cystral Dragon]

I know most of you are probably going to go "YOU SUCK" but for Kogasa's last spell card on easy, are there any tips?

[Nyyl]

Get rid of a few familiars on each wave, preferably the ones that hit the walls last. You'll lessen the amount of bullets you need to dodge, and the ones you must evade will be coming from reasonable enough angles (bullets from the last familiars to hit the walls tend to come near horizontally).

Oh, lovely. That simplified things quite a bit, thanks :D

[The Greatest Dog]

I know most of you are probably going to go "YOU SUCK" but for Kogasa's last spell card on easy, are there any tips?

Kogasa's last card is easier on Normal than on Easy.
The amulet spreads are wider but less dense, so it feels like the easy version of Virtue of Wind God. Really, I can't think of any advice, though.

[pineyappled]

Not a spellcard, but PCB Youmu's nonspell patterns with the 2 differently colored waves of bullets moving towards each other?

[MTSranger]

Try to get into an open area inside the thing. Dodge the waves coming from left and right one at a time.
If the open area is closing in, get out of it by moving left or right.

OR, you can misdirect it: I think first wave stand left of Youmu, 2nd wave stand right of Youmu

[Krimmydoodle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6PhaebfHU#t=1m25s

You can do the same when the similar pattern occurs for the Stage 5 boss fight.

Do not try this on Stage 6.  You will likely die.

[pineyappled]

Thanks. So, what do I do for the stage 6 versions? Just cross my fingers _{(or not)} and dodge?

[MTSranger]

The stage 6 version is like 5x easier, so just dodge it.

[Zengeku]

It is notable that the attack is memorizable. Its aimed in your direction but the pattern is also the same. Once you're used to dodge it it becomes very easy. Even on Lunatic despite its mean looking appearance.

[Kimchii]

I know most of you are probably going to go "YOU SUCK" but for Kogasa's last spell card on easy, are there any tips?

So I'm not the only one who sucks at this spell card  :V I'd appreciate some help on this, too.

[MTSranger]

Basically you move up and down to dodge the train, and move left and right to dodge the red bullets.
Like, you move up when the trains come down, and you move down when the train comes up, to avoid majority of teal amulets.
You will still have to dodge some stray bullets, but they aren't too difficult.

[Phoenix_lostarr]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12621

RAEG at unidentified darkness. Also a panicbomb on chimera because I was texting. So:

"guize wat m i doin rong???"

[Zengeku]

Try to lure Nue to the upper corners and move down as slow as possible so you get as much time under Nue as possible. That is the basic idea about the card but personally i don't like being such close quarters to her so i usually just try and lure her to the upper corners as much as possible but then don't worry about how far down i move as long as i am confident i can dodge her stuff.

The card takes longer that way but its more safe. If you got what it takes to dodge it for longer that is. If you don't then you might want to use MarisaA for this stage since she can kill the spell very fast as Bananamatic demonstrated once. The method is done by immediately luring her to the upper left corner (right would suffice as well obviously) and then slowly stream downwards. Nue will always move in on your current location. If you move little enough then you can kill the card before you reach the bottom of the screen. I'm not sure if other characters are capable of the same thing however.

[Skyler]

He posted in the wrong topic so he edited the content of his post.

Yeah. x3 Also I'm a girl. But I don't blame you for assuming the opposite; this is Touhou after all.

Anyway, I've just unlocked EoSD Extra Stage, but at the beginning when you have to stream the faeries and collect drops at the same time, I always end up panicking and running everywhere, resulting in me dying or bombing. I can't avoid the bullets and collect the drops while at the same time shooting the enemies before they throw too much crap at you. Any advice?