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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #420 on: December 30, 2010, 12:27:48 PM »
There's a question I have about Byakuren's first card, Good Omen "Nirvana's Cloudy Way in Purple". I thought I saw someone on this site mention that there was some aspect of that attack that was aimed, but I wanted to double-check if that was the case.

THIS!!! Most of the time I'm doing this spellcard, I barely move and the Shiny bullets will have the same pattern all the time, and I start making big movements only after the whole wave is over.

I noticed when I moved a lot when the bulk is still being created, the purple bullets become much messier and less predictable. So I believe they are aimed.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #421 on: December 30, 2010, 02:18:32 PM »
Remi Lunatic.

The whole fight.

I'm spectacularly fed up with Game Overing in practice mode.
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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #422 on: December 30, 2010, 05:27:41 PM »
You've picked one tough enemy to fight there. Especially since half her stuff i luck-based. Okay, maybe not half the fight but rank can still pull a mean one on you.

The 1st non-spell should be simple enough aside from stupid hitboxes.The gaps are pretty big at least. All it takes is convincing your instincts that the hitboxes aren't the same as in the later games.

The 1st spellcard can in my experiences create walls for you if you get yourself positioned wrong. The only advice i can offer is to stay in the largest gaps of lasers and try and dodge the bubbles and Metal Fatigue bullets as well as possible.

The 2nd non-spell consists of aimed barrages and spread barrages. The aimed barrage you want to take by streaming from one corner to another while the spread barrage should be dodged by staying at the bottom of the screen and dodging accordinly.

Then comes the 2nd spellcard which can be quite a bitch but this one is never unfair. Read ahead and try to anticipate where the big knives are gonna go and make sure not to be there. Then micrododge the small bullets as necessary. Also, make sure to stand under Remilia as much as possible.

The third non-spell tries to trick you. Don't rush for the point items here. Just stay at the bottom or you are in for a nasty surprise. That aside its super easy.

The third spellcard is a question of not moving around too much or you will get bubble-clipped. Remain in one spot and the bubbles will miss you by a fairly large bit. Of course you are gonna have to move a little around to dodge the bullets but that shouldn't be too troublesome. Unless the bullets form a wall. Yeah, this is one of the luckbased ones. Just don't try to make a dash to the right/left in order to avoid the wall. You might get hit by a bubble if you do that. Instead be careful if you want to make large movements.

The final non-spell is a collection of three different attacks. The first is read n' dodge. That's probably the hardest one. The second is bubble spray. They are aimed at you so just move a slight bit to the side every time you hear the spawn noise. I don't like that attack myself though. Its pretty scary even if its just tapping. The third is aimed flames. Just stream em'. Its absolutely pathetic.

The fourth card is her hardest one and boy is it hard. Scarlet Meister. I have never captured this card on Lunatic. Not once. And it has taken people like Donut ages of repeated attempts just to capture it. I think it was around 200+ attempts. So unless you are some perfectionist you'd just want to bomb it. I have no advice to offer for it.

Next up is Scarlet Gensokyo which along with LFO is probably the hardest spell in the entire series. Luckily its a lot more fun than LFO. No real advice here either. Just make sure not to get bubble clipped and do your best you have ever done.

You asked for advice on the entire Remilia fight. There you got it. I might've got the other of some attacks wrong as i'm not sure wether its the Thousand Needles Mountain or Vampire Illusion that goes first but whatever. Good luck.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #423 on: December 30, 2010, 05:34:03 PM »
Any tips for capturing keine's first pyramid on lunatic consistently ? Preferably in a way that allows me to graze a lot.

This is how I'm doing it:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11591

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #424 on: December 30, 2010, 06:33:33 PM »
I don't recommend to try and attempt grazing like that. Either you master the supergrazing method; go into the safespot around Keine and dodge the bullets. You're gonna need some timing and i'm not the best at explaining it since i don't use that method (insert excuse here hurr) but i can give a piece of advice that might prove handy for you.

At the start of the spellcard, kill one of the familiars. That will mean a considerable amount of bullets disappears. Then you'll just have to dodge. I also think the card is static but i'm not sure.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #425 on: December 30, 2010, 06:35:37 PM »
Remi Lunatic.
She isn't easy...

1st non-card
You have to unfocus at times to swerve around things.
Do NOT try to go between a metal fatigue and a bubble, or it's recipe for death. Move around them instead

1st card - Young Demon Lord
Generally, you want to stay in the largest gap below Remi.
When the bubbles get near bottom, you first read a path (it may involve lots of horizontal), then go through asap.
The laser hitbox disappear faster than they look, so use it to your advantage

2nd non-card
Stream is easy.
Non-stream: (you can shot gun first), stay bottom of screen and 2 characters right or left of Remi to dodge.

2nd card - Mountain of 1000 Needles
Shotgun Remi in beginning.
Beware of knifes, you have to read them well in advance to move away from them.
If you aren't comfortable moving large distances, I recommend staying in the center near bottom so that you don't miss Remi often and time out due to her moving to the other side of the screen.

3rd non-card
Don't auto-collect. This is the easiest attack.

3rd card - Vampire Illusion
You stand still in the center slightly up from the bottom of screen. This gives you widest attack range.
There are basically 3 different types of waves, which you will recognize (kind of) when you play a lot.

Type A requires you to stay and make minimal movement, most of the wave misses you.
Type B requires you to move farther up and dodge bullets from below and sides.
Type C is a wall, which requires you to either move around it, or micrododge at the bottom of screen

You move around if you are near the edge (i.e. right end) of the wall.
Otherwise, you have to micrododge (which isn't that hard if you are more on the "left" side of the wall).
Sometimes, it gets shitty with Type B and Type C following each other, and that's where you probably should bomb since you need to dodge Type C at the bottom, but that's precisely where it is very hard to dodge Type B

4th non-card
Wave 1: you dodge, look for the widest gap, but be careful when reading, because the bullets aren't entirely vertical
Wave 2: you tap half a bubble distance right after you hear every firing sound
Wave 3: stream, very very easy

4th card - Scarlet Meister
Watch this if you intend to capture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPffmr2pbs
I have 0/550 on it. I can't last beyond the 2nd wave even if I try really hard.

5th card - Scarlet Gensokyo
You have to be able to pass the first bubbles 100% of the time without clipping. It's not that hard.
There are 4 waves: 1 "hard" wave (the most bubbles), and 3 "easy" waves
It just cycles through those waves that sequence until the end.

Depending on your character, there is a time where you shouldn't bomb due to having a large bubble wave right after.
Figure out the correct time to bomb so that you can avoid all the hard waves (the one with shit loads of bubbles)
OR
Learn to dodge. There is a certain kind of pattern that the stationary bullets start to move in all waves.
I don't know how to explain, but eventually you will figure out how to survive the hard wave.
The key is recognize which directions the 5 bullets right beside you are moving, then react instinctively.

After the hard wave goes, it gets much easier for other 3 bubble waves, where you can just read and dodge.
When the hard wave comes again, and you actually want to dodge it with all the random bullets still on the screen,
you stay somewhat away from directly below Remi, so you have room to micrododge everything at the same time.

Once in a while, a wall will form (from residual bullets in the last easy wave) to wall you while you are in the hard wave.
This killed GIL before and is basically almost 100% impossible, so you should bomb.

Also, here a replay (the only replay I have of stage 6, in fact): http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10207
« Last Edit: December 30, 2010, 06:42:24 PM by jsonchiu »

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #426 on: December 30, 2010, 07:41:25 PM »
Any tips for capturing keine's first pyramid on lunatic consistently ? Preferably in a way that allows me to graze a lot.

This is how I'm doing it:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11591
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6752

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #427 on: December 30, 2010, 08:24:57 PM »
I don't recommend to try and attempt grazing like that. Either you master the supergrazing method; go into the safespot around Keine and dodge the bullets.
Oh, I didn't know there was a safespot there. I still can't capture it using the safespot but I think I'm getting the pattern down.
Maybe I should  go watch some replays...

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I also think the card is static but i'm not sure.
It's most certainly static.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6752

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I dunno about that one, it seems that dodging the bullets on reaction gives me more points than safespoting the card like that.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #428 on: December 30, 2010, 08:28:52 PM »
Hence the loolololollool.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #429 on: December 30, 2010, 08:33:56 PM »
I'm also having problems with that spellcard, but from what I can understand....
I also think the card is static but i'm not sure.
It most certainly is not static  BV

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #430 on: December 30, 2010, 09:23:58 PM »
Speaking of Remilia, and tips for her 2nd and 3rd card on normal?  My current strategy for the 2nd one is really find a spot that looks safe, pray and change it after the wave is over.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #431 on: December 30, 2010, 10:27:19 PM »
Speaking of Remilia, and tips for her 2nd and 3rd card on normal?  My current strategy for the 2nd one is really find a spot that looks safe, pray and change it after the wave is over.
2nd card: stay under Remillia, move up to dodge the criss-cross bullets
3rd card: it's similar to lunatic (I think...), but 10x easier. Don't panic move; wait until the knives come and then move.

how do you beat SIlent Selene :\
1. shot gun her
2. back down, read the lines of bullets to not get hit, try to stay under her as well
3. bomb when it gets too hard.



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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #434 on: December 31, 2010, 05:01:27 AM »
Kongarratulations.

Now do it while circling her >:D

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #436 on: December 31, 2010, 05:37:23 AM »
I actually meant circling directly around her like what I tried.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #437 on: December 31, 2010, 11:18:34 AM »
I'm also having problems with that spellcard, but from what I can understand....It most certainly is not static  BV

Okay. I got one guy saying that its static and one guy who say its not. Who should i believe?
I don't know. I just read n' dodge anyway. :V

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« Reply #438 on: January 01, 2011, 12:28:07 PM »
Hi. These are regarding PCB.

1. What's the difference between Reflowering 10% and 30%? I can't tell.

2. In Stage 4 how does one get to Trumpet Ghost / Dark Trumpet/ Dark Keys/ Key Ghost? Do you get to play those by random or by other stuff?

Thanks.

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Re: Spellcard questions
« Reply #439 on: January 01, 2011, 02:06:01 PM »
2.  During the Prismrivers' first spellcard, all three sisters share the same lifebar.  Whichever one you damage the most is the one that'll attack you for the next noncard and spellcard.  Your natural movements are probably having you damage Lunasa (black) the most, so go pick on Merlin (white) or Lyrica (red).

I didn't look into 1, but I have to imagine it's just the same pattern with more bullets and/or more speed on 30%.  There isn't always a clear difference between multiple difficulties of the same spell.  Sometimes a new difficulty will introduce something to completely change it up, and sometimes it'll just be the same thing with a minor tune-up.
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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #440 on: January 02, 2011, 07:51:30 PM »
So I managed to nail four of Yuyuko's lunatic cards, and the ones that I need to work on is Deadly Dance "Law of Mortality -Demon World-" and Resurrection Butterfly 80%.   Did about 25 runs so far...and still counting.

Speaking of Deadly Dance "Law of Mortality -Demon World-", I'm having trouble capturing this, and never actually came close to capturing it.  I remember seeing someone on YouTube supergrazing this card a long time ago...can't find it anymore.  Then again, it's a tough card.

And for Resurrection Butterfly 80%, I take it it's luck-based or something?
« Last Edit: January 02, 2011, 09:02:56 PM by Lord Scalgon »
Current ambition: NBND VoWG timeout.  Best run: NB1D

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #441 on: January 03, 2011, 01:30:17 AM »
Deadly Dance "Law of Mortality -Demon World-"
I can't do this very well either, but...
Basically, you stream the bubbles, and change direction whenever you see a gap in bubbles.
Don't wall yourself by moving to the corner; often you will need dangerous unfocus dash if that happens.

Resurrection Butterfly 80%
You can either go up and dodge the red bullets before they spread (but don't get killed by bubbles),
or you stay somewhat above the bottom of screen (so you have room to retreat) and read and dodge.

EDIT: for the Law of Mortality, there is one gap where you can't cross, and another one where you need to.
It alternates between those 2 gaps, kind of hard to explain without pictures.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2011, 01:55:55 AM by jsonchiu »

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #442 on: January 04, 2011, 11:22:16 AM »
Concerning Remilia's second non spellcard

The aimed barrage you want to take by streaming from one corner to another while the spread barrage should be dodged by staying at the bottom of the screen and dodging accordinly.

Non-stream: (you can shot gun first), stay bottom of screen and 2 characters right or left of Remi to dodge.

You can actually avoid the spread barrage by hiding directly behind her. Even if Remilia goes to the furthest point she'll go to the top of the screen you're still completely safe. It's pretty easy to get yourself up and down from there too thanks to the huge gaps between the attack.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #443 on: January 04, 2011, 11:41:13 AM »
Concerning Remilia's second non spellcard

You can actually avoid the spread barrage by hiding directly behind her. Even if Remilia goes to the furthest point she'll go to the top of the screen you're still completely safe. It's pretty easy to get yourself up and down from there too thanks to the huge gaps between the attack.

You can but if you are playing Lunatic you should have the skills to just dodge it. + You deal more damage that way.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #444 on: January 04, 2011, 12:10:41 PM »
You can but if you are playing Lunatic you should have the skills to just dodge it. + You deal more damage that way.

It's still completely risk free and it's not like you're losing anything by prolonging it.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #445 on: January 07, 2011, 10:06:07 AM »
It's still completely risk free and it's not like you're losing anything by prolonging it.

You're not gaining anything either. And if there is anything Touhou bosses don't need, its prolonging.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #446 on: January 08, 2011, 11:12:09 PM »
You're not gaining anything either. And if there is anything Touhou bosses don't need, its prolonging.
If there is anything the player doesn't need, it's more bullets to dodge.

We could go on like this for a while. It's a perfectly legitimate risk free strategy. It's the same deal with Stage 5 midboss Sakuya.

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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #447 on: January 09, 2011, 12:51:18 PM »
Just cleared UFO Normal for the first time, and I was wondering what I could do to not derp as badly as I've been doing.

Replay is here.

Thanks~!


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Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #448 on: January 11, 2011, 12:39:27 PM »
Just cleared UFO Normal for the first time, and I was wondering what I could do to not derp as badly as I've been doing.
Replay is here.
Thanks~!

Well, in general you'll just want to practice all the stages a lot so you know how to play them. The same applies for bosses of course. Try playing the game on Hard mode. Not that you need to go straight for a Hard 1cc now of course but to learn from it. Try continue spamming your way through hard mode to unlock stage practice and then try practicing harder patterns than you are used to. Then when you get back to normal you'll find it much easier than it was before and maybe be able to perform better. That has worked for me in the past.

Haven't watched your replay yet though. I'll give it a watch and get back to you with some more detailed advice if i can find something i have some advice for.

Re: "guize wat m i doin rong???" (Spell Card Help Topic: III)
« Reply #449 on: January 12, 2011, 08:19:17 AM »
Okay... i'm back. Here's a small book for you to read. In short, your run went pretty good for a first 1cc. There was a few mistakes here and there but nothing too serious. Shou is the only one you'll really need practice at i'd say. For detailed advice about everything i saw in your replay, read on.

Stage 1 and 2 went well. In fact, you are better at using the UFO system than i am. You didn't die or bomb once which is also good. Your performance at Kogasa's second spellcard was good enough but for practice i'll recommend you try and stay under her the entire time. For full runs though you should definitely use your strategy. Unless you are going for score there is no reason for you to put yourself in harms way.

Stage 3: That first death was a pretty annoying one i can imagine. Its the sort of the thing that just happens. The frequency of such things gets lower the more you practice though. I think that you wasted a bomb on Ichirins midboss non-spell. Well, the bomb was certainly well used in the run as you might have died in that situation but i don't think its an attack that you would want to use a bomb on. Try going to the bottom of the screen and do your best to anticipate where the lasers are gonna hit.

The rest of the stage went well. Ichirin herself also went pretty well except your performance on her final spellcard. You are very shy of the bottom it seems. :) Normally its a good practice to avoid hugging the bottom all the time and for practice i would recommend you keep moving up the screen to get better at reading the lasers but for doing a full run i wouldn't recommend it since the fists will never hit you at the bottom o the screen and because there is no bullets being spawned. That way you get optimal time to react to the lasers.

Stage 4 went okay as well and you did manage to pull of some nice moves. Murasa wasn't half bad either. Except for the survival card. You might want to work a bit on that. You move a bit too spastic around there. Try to make a little more careful moves. Its not a nice thing to lose two lives to.

Stage 5 in itself went decent though i'm a bit at a loss as to why you stopped shooting during greatest treasure? Also, that death in the first part of the stage can easily be avoided by learning the stage. You're gonna need some more practice there.

And while you are at it you are also gonna need a bit of practice on Shou. Your battle with her could have gone better. So. Let's help you get better at her eh?

First off, her 1st spellcard. I used to be great at that card but i've completely lost my touch against it. I have been told that its ideal to remain in the middle of the screen as much as possible.

The 2nd spellcard; I'm assuming that the deaths there were just annoying accidents. The 3rd spellcard: This one takes some experience. You'll need to circle around obviously but do it at a controlled pace or so you can say. This card is probably semi memorizable.

The 4th spellcard is pretty tough too. I can't really offer much advice for it like with the 1st card. You're just gonna have to grind it to get better.

Also. You seem to try going unfocused a lot during this battle and you also did it against Ichirins 1st card. I have no idea why you are doing this. You'll deal much better damage with the focused shot.

Byakuren went decent. Magic Milky Way needs some practice. The stars are aimed so you can basically stream it. Do watch out for the lasers though.

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To sum it all up. You did fairly well for a first 1cc. You only have a few kinks that you need to work out. You'll want to practice Shou and get better at the general stage layouts and once again, try to play Hard mode for a greater challenge that will harden your skills faster