STG THREAD 5 WAS PREPARED WITH MUCH TROUBLE. YOU DO WHAT.

[LtC]

Soooo.
What was the difference between Hell, Heaven and Original modes in BWR+?

What was the difference between Lunatic, Easy and Normal modes in Touhou?

Plus version also adds a lot more screen-cancelling enemies, which not only makes stages easier in a bunch of parts but makes it even easier to get extends.  Your firepower is also a bit more powerful in Plus, which can break a few boss patterns(stage 5 boss first phase, for example).  Also, I thought Plus and Original had the same patterns except for the TLB being modified?  At least, I don't remember there being much of a difference, it's been a while.

Yeah pretty much everything said here about BWR+, a lot of the challenge that is in the original version is taken away by the changes. Another thing is that it's a sacred rule to play shmups with defaults so specially if you like playing for scoreboards (like me for example) you have to follow those rules. I think BWR+ HS board has both accel and non accel @shmups but it's almost as silly as lgb creating a scoreboard for every shot type and every difficulty for touhou8 (40? scoreboards).
and original bwr does look better in my opinion

Youtube the entire run. Oh and commentate it with tips and strategies.

And congrats on being the first Western player to 1cc that, at least I think you are.

Stage 4 sucked bigtime, not sure if rly want to make video. Only good thing there was that I managed to 1GUARD1BOMB the first 3 stages and all the way to ST4 midboss.  Here is the replay anyway if anyone wants to see the run. Anyhow it's not really that impressive as long as autobomb is on


Just tried few runs on Eden's Aegis 1.10 for the first time since playing v0.50.
the good:
-I think you can see the forks a bit better now during st3 boss.
-You no longer lose all point value on autobomb.
-No more extends every 7M, although it was funny with the exponential scoring how you could gather up like 15-20 extra lives if you played well.
the bad:
-The WAIT option. Oh god why do they even do this, the stage themes now already loop like halfway of most stages.
-You lose ALL your point value if you die. Better suicide early stages if you're out of bombs.
-Changed the music.Gahhh stage 2 theme is now same as Toritatsu2 st3 boss theme. Stage 5 theme is no longer Prophet (BAWWWWWWW), it even synced nicely at some parts. (Oh wait nevermind WAIT option would screw it also anyway)
-Nerfed some patterns (Seriously if you want to watch TV while playing you already have the WAIT option, there's no need to do this)
-Last boss is still piss easy compared to the other bosses (Original mode at least)

Does Hell mode of Eden's Aegis have a proper TLB?

[Aisha]

Just tried few runs on Eden's Aegis 1.10 for the first time since playing v0.50.
the good:
-I think you can see the forks a bit better now during st3 boss.
-You no longer lose all point value on autobomb.
-No more extends every 7M, although it was funny with the exponential scoring how you could gather up like 15-20 extra lives if you played well.
the bad:
-The WAIT option. Oh god why do they even do this, the stage themes now already loop like halfway of most stages.
-You lose ALL your point value if you die. Better suicide early stages if you're out of bombs.
-Changed the music.Gahhh stage 2 theme is now same as Toritatsu2 st3 boss theme. Stage 5 theme is no longer Prophet (BAWWWWWWW), it even synced nicely at some parts. (Oh wait nevermind WAIT option would screw it also anyway)
-Nerfed some patterns (Seriously if you want to watch TV while playing you already have the WAIT option, there's no need to do this)
-Last boss is still piss easy compared to the other bosses (Original mode at least)

Does Hell mode of Eden's Aegis have a proper TLB?

Version 1.10 adds Accel Mode, the ability to change bullet color, and some game balance adjustments (bullet pattern tweaks, I think). The other differences you noted were added months earlier, in versions 0.90 and 1.00.

And yeah, there has been a Hell TLB since version 0.90: (from 3:40) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9096025

This game is too easy with the Wait option turned on. :\

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Button 4 doesn't even fucking work either. How the hell could they not catch that crap.

I have to set it to shot on Z, Special on X, Bomb on C. Whatever is set on V doesn't work. Which means I have to actually tap the button for unfocused shot which is crap. Of course, I play on Autoguard, so I just don't have the bomb button set, but I would use bombs sometimes though if I could.

Other than this, it's a good game. Hell is way above me though.


5 starting lives, 6 bombs per life, extends every 80,000,000. Not even this can make Ultra fun.

[Zengar Zombolt]

...Shouldn't the 4th button be A?

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

That's Button 3, but it works. Button 4 is indeed V. 0 is Z, 1 is X, 2 is C

The controls still suck. I'm going to have to map these to a controller and try them.

[Azinth]

In case people didn't know, the Guwange arrange album has been uploaded to Youtube by this good fellow.

The epicness, I'm cryan... ;_;

edit:  Jesus Christ what did they do to Household

do not know if want

[Aisha]

Button 4 doesn't even fucking work either. How the hell could they not catch that crap.

I have to set it to shot on Z, Special on X, Bomb on C. Whatever is set on V doesn't work. Which means I have to actually tap the button for unfocused shot which is crap. Of course, I play on Autoguard, so I just don't have the bomb button set, but I would use bombs sometimes though if I could.

Other than this, it's a good game. Hell is way above me though.


5 starting lives, 6 bombs per life, extends every 80,000,000. Not even this can make Ultra fun.

Button 4 is S.

Z, X, C, A, S, D, Q, and E are the programmable keys.

[Sapz]

Ketsui X Mode 1cc'd! Finished with about 241m points at 0/0. :V It's definitely easier than the main game, but still a nice challenge, and the scoring system is a lot of fun... had to focus on survival over scoring for the latter part of the game to make the 1cc, though.  Evaccania is a terrifying boss to face on your last life. @_@

Also, I listened to the DeathSmiles OST for the first time today. Wasn't at all what I expected in a very good way. Pretty awesome stuff. :3

[Aisha]

The boss theme of Deathsmiles gets stuck in my head instantly each time I hear it. I try not to listen to the OST much though because it makes me anxious about wanting to play the game...

[lmagus]

imo best desthsmiles music is from A-1 and B-1 =D

edit: OH AND ICE PALACE WTF HOW COULD I FORGET :@

congratulations on the 1cc! I haven't even tried it yet, maybe i should give it a go =)

[Sapz]

congratulations on the 1cc! I haven't even tried it yet, maybe i should give it a go =)

Go for it, it's fun. :P It's got a little bit of Mushi/Futari influence compared to the main game; certain enemies are now orange and will cancel bullets. You only start getting point chips after you kill a 'bullet cancel' enemy with the lock shot, at which point you can maintain your chain of point chips by killing enemies in quick succession (much more lenient timer than the main game so this chain lasts longer, since you can't get any chips the regular way). Also, most things will shoot out suicide bullets; you can cancel these by shooting it with the central shot in lock mode, or you can use them with the bullet cancel enemies for more points. It's pretty interesting~

[Matsuri]

Sapz, play Exed Exes

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

How long do you think it'll be before you can fight Doom? 6 or fewer misses/bombs combined in X-mode. Because that no miss no bomb requirement for the normal mode's special loop is crazy.


Wait, you have a J360 but don't have Deathsmiles?


Also, I wonder what the Arrange mode on Guwange will be like once it actually gets released on XBLA. I think that was announced like last year.

[Sapz]

How long do you think it'll be before you can fight Doom? 6 or fewer misses/bombs combined in X-mode. Because that no miss no bomb requirement for the normal mode's special loop is crazy.


Wait, you have a J360 but don't have Deathsmiles?


Also, I wonder what the Arrange mode on Guwange will be like once it actually gets released on XBLA. I think that was announced like last year.

Quite a while to fight DOOM; I could probably manage the first four stages with under 6 deaths+bombs without any trouble, but Stage 5 would be nasty. Both the midboss and the boss kill me/force me to bomb on a regular basis, and that's not taking into account that tunnel section without any bullet cancelling enemies during the hardest part. Having said that I probably wouldn't really want to fight DOOM in a run at my current skill level anyway, it rapes me pretty hard from what I've seen fighting it in practice. :V

And yeah, no DeathSmiles yet. That's next on my list. Waiting to see if the localized version is worth getting over the Japanese one. :P

[lmagus]

The localized one doesn't run in PAL 360's. It may work on NTSC-J ones, I'm also waiting to find out before I pre-order.

I bought the Platinum version, which is like the American ver, but without 1.1 MBL.

[Sapz]

The localized one doesn't run in PAL 360's. It may work on NTSC-J ones, I'm also waiting to find out before I pre-order.

I bought the Platinum version, which is like the American ver, but without 1.1 MBL.

Does that mean it includes regular MBL?

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

I died with 2 bombs in stock twice on my latest attempt at 1.5 Original.

The first was during the stage 3 postmidboss crap, the other was on the way to the stage 5 extend. I doubt that I would have beaten Larsa though, not with 0 or 1 spare life on 1.5 with Reco Normal. I have trouble doing that on Black Label's Original where the shots are stronger.

[lmagus]

Does that mean it includes regular MBL?

It has MBL and 1.1

Only missing MBL 1.1 which apparently comes in the american version.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

It seems 1/3 is the minimum for me to have a chance at Larsa. And that's a very small chance. 2 spare lives and preferably some bombs would be much better, but still quite possible to screw up.

Also, I hate that bullshit stage 3 boss. I had to bomb the damn thing 4 fucking times which is a pretty bad strategy, but it's not like I'll be able to deal with it another way.

At least Stage 4 is mostly easy. Stage 5 has some trouble spots too.

[Sapz]

I tried using the Tiger Schwert instead of the Panzer Jager (which I usually pick) today. Guess who just 1-all'd Ketsui.

Seriously, most of the difficulty is the final stage. I did what I consider to be fairly well on that and still died five times. Luckily I'd only died once through the rest of the game (most of the way through stage 4) so it was enough for me to clear. I don't think I'm gonna be looping this any time soon, though. :V

[Matsuri]

Must not be that ball-bustingly hard if you managed to get a 1-all within a couple days. Good going, man.

[Sapz]

Must not be that ball-bustingly hard if you managed to get a 1-all within a couple days. Good going, man.

Hehe, thanks. It gets a lot easier once you start managing your resources properly and learning that sometimes using lock-on is a bad idea. It gives a load of resources (2 point extends and 2 hidden extends, and usually a bomb before every boss) which also helps; in terms of actual danmaku I'd say it's a little harder than DOJ (the ending part, at least). Only really managed the 1cc because I wasted about two bombs total in the entire run, which is very low for me. :V

[lmagus]

wow I'm so jealous now.

i've had this game for over a week more than you and I still can't get past stage 4 x_x

very well done!

[An Odd Sea Slug]

I wanna play Pink Sweets. SO. BAD.

[lmagus]

I can't stand the sound in that game =P

[Azinth]

Congratuations Sapz, now play some goddamn Dangun Feveron.

[Matsuri]

I wanna play Pink Sweets. SO. BAD.

Likewise. Liiiiikewise.

I should play some Ibara today.

[Bananamatic]

I wanna play any non-mame Cave game

but I probably never will

[Formless God]

Joining the I wanna play chain

Daifukkatsudaifukkatsudaifukkatsudaifu(ry

[Azinth]

I wanna play Seihou 4.