Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Game Over - Town Win

[Serela]

I find it amusing that if I had confirmed 15 seconds later, I wouldn't be in Sudden Death right now  :3

...it's still totally my fault any way you look at it, though. I wonder if I should write that Haiku now, or wait a little while till in case someone votes me one of us.

I assume my vote on Excal is meaningless now, so I'll say now that I'd prefer a Kefit lynch over a Neo Serela. Kefit's previous actions show to me some ill intent towards others, which is slightly worse to me than Neo's self-hate.

You could also, you know, use that vote on Kefit to end this Sudden Death. But I understand that you may want others to get to talk about this as well. Ninja:Same goes for Baity, but now I realize that it's a great idea to wait for Kefit to respond to this first.

And yeah, about that self-hate, I'm almost banging my head into the monitor for not stopping myself when I was thinking "Oh man this post is rather... and people are gonna start suspecting me but I dunno what else I'll do anyway so..." I mean seriously THAT'S A SIGN I NEED TO HIT THE X AND NOT POST D:

[FallenAngelVI]

Wait, Baity's right. Might as well make use of the 24 hours. Whatever. Bed.

[?lice Bl?ckb?rn]

He's had plenty of time, and I firmly believe that ties and SUDDEN DEATH are far worse for Town than letting the lynch go through. Oh well. Vote stays, for obvious reasons.

[Serela]

This reminds me.

It's not allowed for me/Kefit to take this opportunity to just vote the other, right? Since then it'd just be a battle of speed and self-values, which defeats the purpose of this.

[Pesco]

Would it still be bad if it was sudden death between 2 scum?

[WHMZakeri]

It's not allowed for me/Kefit to take this opportunity to just vote the other, right? Since then it'd just be a battle of speed and self-values, which defeats the purpose of this.

If you did that, we'd probably have our day two lynch set in stone, so yeah.

I didn't really want to cut people off when I posted, which is why I didn't vote yet. I know I had something that I wanted to squeeze in before lynch and didn't know if anyone else did or not, too.

I'm beginning to agree with Alice that we shouldn't spend too much time here, since further discussion will probably just cause everyone in the town to do exactly what I did at the end of Suzumiya and just think in circles until we don't know what's where or who's when anymore.

[LHCling]

Continuing my 237. Note the GrammarFail^TM in my rushed post.
>especially day one where there is none to begin with, it should come down to Quantity because there is no differing levels of Quality.
A fair point to an extent, but I do believe there are differing levels of quality even in D1 cases.
I think I'm done, but if I did indeed miss something, point to it.
...so I thought I had a fair bit to add, but this is it? orz
Various people: I can and will 'hammer' Kefit if it needs to come to that.
Pesc4u: If it were, no not at all. But regardless, more information is better.
NS: Based on rules I'm sure you can voteswap.
I'm willing to give ~50 minutes as of this post and that's final.

[LHCling]

*unless somebody gives me good reason to wait longer.

[FinnKaenbyou]

I'm still preferring Neo over Kefit, so I'm staying where I am.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Question, if I'm allowed it: Baity, if you prefer lynching Kefit, why'd you even bring Neo up to Sudden Death?

[Serp]

VOTECOUNT  -  Toki Wo Tomare Edition

Kefit (4): Roukanken, FAV, Kilgamayan, Carthrat, Excal, Pesco, huh what, Alice
NeoSerela (4): Benny1, Pesco, Roukanken, MSB, Baity
Excal (3): Carthrat, NeoSerela, Zakeri, MSB, NeoSerela
Zakeri (1): FAV, NeoSerela, huh what, Pesco, Excal, Roukanken, Baity
Pesco (1): MSB, Alice, Roukanken, huh what, Benny1, NeoSerela
Roukanken (1):  MSB, Kefit
huh what (0): Baity, Benny1, Zakeri
Benny1 (0): Kefit, Excal, Zakeri, Roukanken, Pesco
Carthrat (0): Baity, Excal, Kilgamayan, Roukanken
Kilgamayan (0): Carthrat, FAV, Benny1
FAV (0): Kefit, Pesco, Kilgamayan
MSB (0): huh what

Alright, lots of stuff to clarify.  Firstly, Excal will now be getting a prod, and I'll make a post asking for a replacement volunteer.  If he still hasn't posted by 24 hours into Day 2, he'll be replaced, or if no replacement has been found, he'll be modkilled.

Secondly, note that only Kefit and Neo are eligible to vote now, and as soon as one gets ahead of the other, the day will end.  So, no using your votes to get anyone else into the running.

Thirdly, Neo and Kefit are still both allowed to change their votes, and those votes can end the Sudden Death phase.

[Serela]

NS: Based on rules I'm sure you can voteswap.

Well, I mean, I know I'm not scum (Not really roleclaiming, it's not like anyone would go "Oh yeah I'm not town" anyway, obviously), so going for Kefit means the lynch might be scum at least...

But, if Kefit isn't scum, I suppose people might really go "omgscum" from what I did, like Zakeri said. And Serp might just come and say "No" if I try to voteswap in this. PLUS, Baity says he'll hammer Kefit within an hour if no one stops him... so... there's no point in me taking the risk. In any case, it would be unfair of me to do so.

ninjaed by Serp:Oh man now I'm worried Kefit will just do it to me first so I'm like "auuuugh"

[LHCling]

NO YOU MAY NOT ASK A QUESTION I WILL NOT ALLOW IT

At this point, I'm willing to want NS lynched right here right now. If I didn't make the SUDDEN DEATH occur, that wouldn't have happened. But at the same time I don't want to waste an absurd amount of time on this (seriously, I'm sure that we're all sick and tired of D1 by now). Zak has also mentioned an ISO of NS so I figured extending the day a bit more would help in this regard. Whether or not he can produce an ISO within an hour... we'll see about that. I feel that Kefit had something to say so I'm giving him a bit more time.

To answer regarding the willingness to hammer, "a Kefit is fine too" based on the case that I'm seeing made against him. 30 minutes.

Spoiler:

And lastly, I'm watching this pitfight between NS and Kefit

  :munch:

[WHMZakeri]

Baity, I still maintain that an important part of making a valid case is having more than one piece of evidence, regardless of if that one piece is that good. The only time where this wouldn't be true is if the evidence was both an uncontested fact and begs the idea that whoever the case is on is 100% Scum. That is not likely to happen in a mafia game, and never on day one.

This is starting to turn into one of those aftergame discussions though, so this will probably be the last time I respond to this.

Cut by Baity again: My ISO of NS was in post 237. As I said then as well, I Would prefer Kefit over NS, and I would probably threaten to vote that way if you hadn't already.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Neo, I'm not convinced by your reasoning for not hammering Kefit. It reads as scum trying not to be linked with a Townie flip by hammering them. Town!Neo KNOWS Neo is Town, and isn't as certain about Kefit, so what reason does Town!Neo have to hesitate?

Zak, that's really a terrible line of thought to take. Five statements that may-be-scummy-may-be-newbie aren't scummier than a player who's produced four terrible pieces of fluff. Quantity is really not as important as quality in terms of tells.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

IMO we should wait for Kefit to post before doing anythinh

[Excal]

Life came up very suddenly, need to tie down one or two things and then should be good after this.  Apologies for disappearing.

[?lice Bl?ckb?rn]

IMHO he's had enough time, considering deadline was an hour or so ago and he was online during this time. The only thing he and Serela even really *can* post anyway is a roleclaim.

@Roukan: it makes sense. If Kefit voted for Serela or Serela voted for Kefit the other would look extremely suspicious the next day. That being said, at the same time, Serela, if he *is* Town, knows he is Town and that Kefit might not be Town, and thus should vote for Kefit. Hmm. I'm not sure where I stand on this, actually. Interesting.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@Roukan: it makes sense. If Kefit voted for Serela or Serela voted for Kefit the other would look extremely suspicious the next day.

How do you know both are town? :x If one turns out to be scum and gets lynched by the other, then I don't see how there would be any suspicious.

[?lice Bl?ckb?rn]

How do you know both are town? :x If one turns out to be scum and gets lynched by the other, then I don't see how there would be any suspicious.

Making the painfully obvious assumption here that the lynchee flips Town, because if the lynchee flips Scum, then there is no point to that statement at all.

[Kefit]

So let me make this easy for you guys.

Due to unforeseen personal circumstances (one of which I was a IRL derppeteer in not realizing would be an issue before this game started) I have come to the conclusion that I need to exit this game. If I stick around any longer I'm just going to be dead weight, especially as I move into next week and the great deal of JOY it will bring me. I realize this is going to be disappointing to some of you, but I'm making this decision both for the benefit of my own health and for the benefit of this game.

Would it be uncouth if I voted for myself at this stage?

ps Neo, you're way too soft. If I had the capability to continue playing this game then I would have voted for you instantly upon entering sudden death. No other choice makes sense for a townie, barring a role claim or something similar on the other side.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Welp. Can't really say fairer than that. :|

##Unvote: Neo
##Hammer: Kefit

[Serela]

Neo, I'm not convinced by your reasoning for not hammering Kefit. It reads as scum trying not to be linked with a Townie flip by hammering them. Town!Neo KNOWS Neo is Town, and isn't as certain about Kefit, so what reason does Town!Neo have to hesitate?

Because Town!Neo likes to be alive >:

And I have a feeling D2 will have a lot of Neo!Hate if I hammer Kefit and he flips town, and personally, I don't like being hated on.

IMO we should wait for Kefit to post before doing anythinh

This is the logical path of action. Not for me personally, since Kefit might just hammer me, but other then that.

Kefit has been online for quite awhile, I wonder why he hasn't posted yet. Typing, maybe? Lurking at this point, especially with two people saying they'll hammer him... it's not useful in any manner at all. Not scummy, just... dumb. I guess he's either typing a post or AFK.

Life came up very suddenly, need to tie down one or two things and then should be good after this.  Apologies for disappearing.

Good to hear. I'm looking forward to your early D2 posts, assuming I'm alive for them.

IMHO he's had enough time, considering deadline was an hour or so ago and he was online during this time. The only thing he and Serela even really *can* post anyway is a roleclaim.

@Roukan: it makes sense. If Kefit voted for Serela or Serela voted for Kefit the other would look extremely suspicious the next day. That being said, at the same time, Serela, if he *is* Town, knows he is Town and that Kefit might not be Town, and thus should vote for Kefit. Hmm. I'm not sure where I stand on this, actually. Interesting.

Oh yeah, roleclaims. I suppose it really can't hurt at this point. Akath Kestingstektob, Mason; although it's not a Mason in the usual term, but rather referring to working with Stone. I have a stone defense thingy that gives me One-Shot Bulletproof from NKs.

And about the @Roukan:Yeah, what a dilemma it is! :derp:


hw ninja:It wouldn't be suspicious. Bussing wouldn't be worth it if we were both scum, since we could just let someone else hammer. But I don't know if Kefit is scum, and since it looks likely that someone else will hammer anyway... BLAH. I'm so confused on if I should just do it or not. And Alice ninja:yeah pretty much.

Oh look, a Kefit ninja. I'm a little surprised, this is an interesting turn. And yes, I'm very soft ;-; Since you aren't sure if voting for yourself is okay, I'll just get it out of the way; it'll only quicken things, at this point. ##Vote:Kefit

Rou ninja:hay there  :V

[LHCling]

##Unvote
##Voteasdnfcoiasjdnocjmaspdcfa

[Serp]

HAMMER SHUT UP

Will write flavor and such tonight, but don't hold your breath.

[Serela]

I just realized that I roleclaimed and then Kefit ninjaed me with a self-kill, pretty much. I wonder how that's gonna play out.

[Kilgamayan]

Man, I miss all the good stuff.

Someone remind me to cover proper sudden death procedures in postgame, by the way.

[Serp]

The accusations of the first day had been unexpectedly fierce, and the mood in the fortress was anything but ecstatic.  The dwarves had not settled on a verdict even past sunset.  They were past their breaking point, and it was only a matter of time until someone snapped.

Nasod 'Kefit' Siknuglibash, Siege Engineer, is stricken by melancholy!

No one noticed when the clever engineer, having grown quieter as the day wore on, slipped away from the rest of the group.  By the time it was realized that he had thrown himself into the river, it was too late to save him.



Nasod 'Kefit' Siknuglibash, Siege Engineer, has drowned!

The first thought of the remaining dwarves was to check the late Nasod's possessions for evidence of treason, but nothing out of the ordinary was found.  He was a Vanilla Townie!  Only then did regret over his death set in.  The dwarves returned to their rooms for the night, to drink and brood on the day's events.  Thirteen still lived, and odds were that fewer still would emerge in the morning.

END OF DAY ONE VOTECOUNT

Kefit (5): Roukanken, FAV, Kilgamayan, Carthrat, Excal, Pesco, huh what, Alice
NeoSerela (3): Benny1, Pesco, Roukanken, MSB, Baity
Excal (3): Carthrat, NeoSerela, Zakeri, MSB, NeoSerela
Zakeri (1): FAV, NeoSerela, huh what, Pesco, Excal, Roukanken, Baity
Pesco (1): MSB, Alice, Roukanken, huh what, Benny1, NeoSerela
Roukanken (1):  MSB, Kefit
huh what (0): Baity, Benny1, Zakeri
Benny1 (0): Kefit, Excal, Zakeri, Roukanken, Pesco
Carthrat (0): Baity, Excal, Kilgamayan, Roukanken
Kilgamayan (0): Carthrat, FAV, Benny1
FAV (0): Kefit, Pesco, Kilgamayan
MSB (0): huh what

- - -

Players may now submit their night actions.  The deadline is in 24 hours, at 2:15 am GMT.

[Kefit]

Oh yeah I get a death post.

[Serp]

Eleven dwarves emerged in the morning to a messy sight.  The corpse in the hallway wasn't immediately recognizable.  It looked like he had been mauled by an enormous drill.  Gore was splattered from wall to wall.



The victim was Gethor 'Zakeri' Erallesast, Miner.  But why had he been out of his room so late at night?

A search of his room provided the answer.  Hidden in his closet underneath the tools of his trade were implements of torture and murder, as well as documents written in a code unreadable by the innocent dwarves.  Yes, it was clear that Zakeri was the Mafia Moodlighter, with an unusual killing ability!  Fortunately, it seemed that he had not had a chance to bring it to bear.

Only after a headcount came up one more dwarf short was it realized that someone else was missing.  It was Thoth 'Alice' Shashgodum, Skillless Peasant.  The peasant had had a good head on his shoulders, but now it appeared to be missing.  It was a real shame.  If he had survived awhile longer, his good sense might've allowed him to serve the fortress as a One-Shot Doc.

With spirits raised slightly by the mixed outcome of the night, the dwarves set about searching for the other conspirators.  Thoth would be avenged along with the mayor!

Day Two is now open, and will end 72 hours from this post, 2:30 am GMT.  Six votes are required to hammer.