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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #210 on: May 06, 2010, 08:47:27 PM »
@ Alice: Uh, why are you voting Kefit? You never actually said why. Unless I'm blind.
Thought I was clear enough in my previous post, but eh, might as well clearly restate:
- I'm actually taking all the Benny1 nonsense at the start of the day as a null tell, tbqh. Not a lot of what transpired there is actually Scummy, most of it is just retarded.
- That being said, the main things I have against Kefit:
- The fairly bizarre and extremely fluffy attempts at backing out of the Benny1 lynch
- His case on Roukan. Pretty much everything in it is not actually a Scummy mistake, but just a derp-type stupid mistake.
- Since then, he has posted one post that is 100% fluff, another post immediately before that which, while valid, is not all that useful at all, and...then...disappeared? His play overall seems to mirror his play from MoTK Mafioso Mafia shockingly closely thusfar as well, which isn't helping his case in my eyes either.

Basically, a combination of awkward posting in justifying some things surrounding the Benny1 wagon, a really awful case on Roukanken, and a total lack of contributions ever since, as well as some pretty shockingly high levels of fluff that I find to be somewhat unexpected, really. That and Pesco has since posted content that I...don't completely agree with, but at least see as valid and useful, and am less willing to lynch him at the moment. Currently my list of acceptable end-of-day targets reads Kefit, Zakeri, Serela, in that order, and I will actively vote against any other wagon.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #211 on: May 06, 2010, 08:52:09 PM »
I started on my post before I even saw Sodium's :V So I cheated

Anyway

I... haven't actually been paying as much attention to Serela as I probably should :x I mean, I've been noticing his posts, but just skimming them since there's already enough to read in this game. Would actually prefer a Serela lynch over a Pesc4U lynch, especially considering that Pesc4U is now contributing. Plus I've noticed that Serela hasn't exactly been the greatest when it comes to voting, staying without a vote for a while before making a random leap onto a wagon. His opinions on Zakeri come off as fluff to me ("I don't want to vote Zakeri, oh but now he looks bad to me, but I still don't want to vote him?" What?). Don't like him and feel stupid for skimming him. However, he doesn't seem to be playing very different than he did last game, where he also looked scummy, had the same "HOW I LYNCH SCUM" mentality and just turned out to be newbtown. I hate to use meta, but I'm not too sure if I'd actually like to see him lynched at this juncture. I'd rather him over Pesco though.

So uh, who DO I want to see lynched? Well, I haven't really seen anything new from Kefit that makes me feel any better about everything that I've already voted him for. I disagree agree with Rou case (which I forgot to mention last post hurrr), seems more like derpy town imo and Rou posted content regarding Serela so I feel good about him at the moment. So yeah, Kefit is still top priority for me since there hasn't been anything I'd consider worse. Also note that all of his recent posts have been him defending himself instead of actual content, not sure if anybody pointed that out yet and if they did I didn't see it so meh.

Kinda forgot about Zak. Doesn't look any better than the last time I saw him, in fact, he seems kinda worse. Don't agree with the Excal case at all, as odd as the intel vote on Benny was, it wasn't exactly a bad jump at that point in the game. Excal's vote on Kefit is more of a lazytell than anything, would it make him look better if he had just parroted instead of saying "Oh I agree"? I find that doubtful, since there wasn't really much to add about Kefit at that point. Yet according to Zak there's more against Excal than Kefit, which I can't see. (I would, however, like to see Excal post some more because it seems like he randomly disappeared.) Also, I don't understand why Zakeri put Vi on his top three, considering his only case against her was how she was tunneling on him. Zak is probably my second choice atm.

Sodium needs to do something beyond lurking and parroting but he just promised a post so I'll wait to read it before snapping at him.

Apparently orders of preference are the new cool thing. Kefit > Zak > Serela > Sodium > Everyone else

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #212 on: May 06, 2010, 08:53:40 PM »
Also,

VOTE COUNT  -  End of the Beginning Edition
Should be:
VOTE COUNT - End of the Beginning Edition
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #213 on: May 06, 2010, 09:15:47 PM »
HW: You'll win. Predicting this at 4:30pm EST

Rou: You know for a fact that there have been MANY instances of a Day 1 case that's made near the end of the day suddenly taking over every other case. Nietz even lamp shaded it in a game(because he was the one who got hit by it).

Okay, First, Inaba4u. Sudden competence at doing town things. Nice case on NS. No longer main person I want to hang because he's now not really the scummiest anymore.

##Unvote

Second, NS. I think your latest post is plain stupid because you honestly sound like scum speaking out their thought process. "Drat, I knew I'd be attacked for that! NOW TO DEFEND MYSELF." Not to mention that really shouldn't be a high priority for town right now as there's 3 fucking hours left in the day, how will defending yourself do anything?
Oh, and the case on him in general seems good enough. I actually agree with what Inaba4u said.

Third, Excal. Still has not answered my question, and hasn't posted for a while(based of me "ctrl-f"-ing page 4 & 5). Don't like because outside of the lazy, "I think these two guys are suspicious, but I'll vote this other guy, pointing to what other people have said, without saying why I'm voting him over those two other guys", vote, it seems like he actually is lurking. That and his last post was that lazy vote(I'm pretty sure it is, unless I'm blind), which makes it even worse.

Okay, I'm choosing to vote Excal for now, as I might as well give NS time to make his post before really deciding who to vote.
##Vote Excal
Don't really like Zak case or Kefit case, but I'm fine with a Kefit lynch I guess.

Guys, the main reason I was actually concerned about the whole 3 wagon thing was because I had some bizarre feeling that all of them were town. =V

Will be here at deadline.

Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #214 on: May 06, 2010, 09:23:50 PM »
Uh, actually. Shouldn't Excal have been prodded by now?

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #215 on: May 06, 2010, 09:34:26 PM »
Okay, here I go. Quotestripesquotestripesquotestripes

Serela: I need to start paying attention to you. Do you have anything to say about people who don't have bandwagons on them?
I haven't really noticed much to make me feel scumminess about any of them, save Excal. And the reason my last votepost was only paying attention to the three with bandwagons is because that vote was for making sure I actually HAVE a vote when the deadline comes around, in case I didn't get back in time; as I said, I can't predict the future, and I want my vote to actually be on someone where it might... y'know, do something.

I wasn't going to be back to say anything about it or change it in at least 18 hours, around 3 hours before deadline, so I highly doubted a vote on anyone else would do anything without backup from me. Quite frankly, I doubt it would have even with my support.

After that... there isn't anything about me for a decent bit. I'd have thought someone scummy would jump on my stupid actions faster then that, starting around my "not contributing or voting" post where I just took my feelings and puked them onto the keyboard.

...SHIT my mom just came home and asked if I wanted to go out to eat, and I'm hungrrry, but I'm busy with this ;-;
Quote from: Pesco
Post of great fences. Tell us why you feel the way you do about each of these people. My cat just about called you 100% definite scum for this post.
*quotesnip*
Cool story. So why is your wagon-swing vote justified? I was tied with Kefit at 4, your vote makes me 5 and a clear leader.
Yeah, it really is. Okay. Zakeri looks terrible, pretty much everyone is agreeing on that; it's also pretty much how he played last game, and according to you yourself, how he always plays. So yes, it's very suspicious, and yes, scummy normal playstyle is making this stupid.

Kefit, I see some stuff there, but I don't know. At all. I might if I had been able to properly read through this game as it happened instead of pages-at-a-time being posted during 18~24 hour absences, but said absences+tons of WoT on friggin DAY ONE+I'm still not used to Mafia... it's REALLY messing me up here. I knew I was being a dumbass with everything I did recently, but I just didn't know what the hell else to do.

On the rest of them (Excal, You), everything else I've got to say is what I've either exactly what I've already said in previous posts (which there are rather few of before that unvote) and what other people have said. There really isn't anything else to it. It's day one for god-sakes, there isn't that much to come up with that other people haven't yet.

The only justification I have for the vote itself is that I was trying to vote SOMEONE so that I wasn't sitting around for 18+ hours voteless, or even worse, not getting back before deadline and finishing the day with STILL no vote. I didn't have crap of a reason to vote anyone, even if I had resorted to parroting, and that's why I didn't want to.

Quote from: FAV
@ Pesco, Neo and anyone else who's voiced it that I may have missed; why is Kilga town?
He feels town to me. As I said, that list was just "ehh this is how I feel at the moment/not set in stone at all or anything".The scummy stuff he did (although I hear he did more scummy stuff recently, should check on these things) was early D1 when we're still in jokevotes and such, and things that early can be excused as messing around.

But then again, to quote the previous game, "he's Kilga and he's scary". I know he's one of the good players here, so maybe he's just that good at being town, even when he's actually Scum.

Next up in my MUST DEFEND SELF is 199~200, and all there is to say to those is... yeah, I look terrible, I might vote myself if I wasn't me, etc. Maybe I should have just lurked instead of being dumb when I KNEW I was being dumb. Moving on.

Quote from: Pesco
Okay, so regarding Neo.  I will have a BSOD moment if he flips town, seriously.  What first made me raise my eyebrow is that I forgot that he was playing.  The second was when I went over his posts and it reminded me of my Kitten4u's play from last game.  It's not exact, but it's close enough to make my kitten senses tingle.
Pesco is really getting on my case. Last time, scum sure did that a whole lot, and I must say... I was a really good target! And I'm still a really good target whether it's scum trying to lynch me or town being scumhunters, so this is nulltell I guess. I feel like keeping it in mind though.

Anyway, about the Kitten4U play; okay, I didn't get back till 9pm one day, and considering there was only 2 days before this... that means my posts in this thread have been almost nonexistent. Just like K4U! But as people have been saying, LAL really doesn't work on D1. Thankfully, the weekend is coming up, so assuming I'm not dead, you people shall see me post more, unlike K4U was!

I'll save you from the quotestripes for this one. For the "First Serious Post" paragraph, I wasn't blindly agreeing with Pesco. I was using my experience with Zakeri from last game and then using what Pesco said to back it up (since only ONE game of meta is like... yeah.).

Let's move to SELF-PROCLAIMED etc since this post is getting long. Yeah, this is where I start acting really dumbass, and I knew I was, but I felt like unvoting Excal and I didn't know who the hell else to vote on. I puked my feelings onto the keyboard to help me organize them, and ended up with "I have nothing new to add onto anyone and don't feel any case strongly enough to add a vote." Which is really bad play of me. And it's all I had, because I would never have said that if I had ACTUAL REASONS to put down.

Then my last post with the vote is, as you say, really bad. No reason no reason no reason, because I didn't have anything new that wasn't already said by me or others. I wanted to stick my vote down since I'd be gone for 18~24 hours, and... hey, guess what, DEADLINE IN 21 HOURS. It's better to vote someone I'm at least suspicious of then just not do shit at all for 18+ hours and possibly until after the deadline hits. My vote was bad, but it'd be even worse to not use it for the rest of D1 at all; which I might not have gotten the chance to.

Okay, Alice's post. Basically says "Why would scum be doing this, Neo is just being dumb, I'd still be content with a lynch there though." Sounds fine to me.

NOW FOR THE NINJAS :D Huhwhat basically says the same stuff as Alice (not as in parroting, but it effectively boils down to "Neo is dumb, this is standard so far, I dunno about lynching there yet"). MSB's post; criticizing me for protecting myself. I see the reasoning here, but also, if I don't do it now I just have to wait and do it at the start of D2, where my terribad will likely be more locked into people's minds then if I had defended earlier.

Huhwhat ninja again. This is true; where IS Excal? He was the one I've been feeling the worst about, but everyone had gotten off him, I hadn't voted there because I figured he'd remain ignored, and as I said before; I didn't want to end up as a useless crap vote at the end of D1. Besides, it'd just end up as "oh I'll unvote Excal and oh nvm voting him again right away".

I still don't feel great about Pesco, but at least he's been contributing (even if it's 90% DEATH TO NEO, which honestly isn't surprising anyway). Excal hasn't. ##Unvote, ##Vote:Excal

He's been... y'know, not being here, and the only thing he's done is weird bandwagon hopping that was excused as scumhunting; which is fairly twisted logic, although logic nonetheless. And then he hasn't done anything else later, quite literally, as he hasn't posted recently at all.





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Serela

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #216 on: May 06, 2010, 09:34:52 PM »
holy shit, so THAT'S what a WoT really looks like.

I'm sorry >:
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #217 on: May 06, 2010, 09:41:47 PM »
Quote
But then again, to quote the previous game, "he's Kilga and he's scary".
That's out of context. Scum was saying that about Townie Kilga in the last game, who had nailed like 2 or so of us at the time we NKed him because of it. Possibly more, I forget :V

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #218 on: May 06, 2010, 09:47:52 PM »
That's out of context. Scum was saying that about Townie Kilga in the last game, who had nailed like 2 or so of us at the time we NKed him because of it. Possibly more, I forget :V
But if he's so good at being Town, it would make sense if he can pretend to be the townie Kilgajesus when he's really scum, riiight? I guess. I dunno.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #219 on: May 06, 2010, 09:51:29 PM »
My cat and myself are still sold on Neo being scum. The mass of words do not equate to content.

Preferred lynch out of Kefit and Excal is still Kefit because Neo has really tried not to say anything on Kefit.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #220 on: May 06, 2010, 09:51:57 PM »
* Carthrat wakes up

* Carthrat looks for Excal posts

* Carthrat doesn't find any

My vote's good.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #221 on: May 06, 2010, 10:18:54 PM »
Will be gone before deadline, and I need some time to prepare, so.

Excal push, huh? I've been ambivalent about Excal for most of the day, he's done some things that have kinda pinged me (most of which have been pointed out by Rat throughout the day) but I've been giving him some leeway because (a) he's Excal, (b) I don't remember him ever being a big Day 1 guy, and (c) I'm not big on busting people for bandwagoning on Day 1 (this hearkens back a little bit to my initial assessment of the Pesco case). If someone is a repeat bandwagon offender throughout the game, I would agree with attacking them, but it's only been one day (and that one day has been Day 1, no less), and sometimes people just agree with other people. "Well he didn't rehash the words of those before him!" is a silly argument, people get blasted all the time for rehashing and I'm pretty sure someone would have done just that in this situation so it's a damned-if-he-does-damned-if-he-doesn't scenario.

That being said, I'm not sure I like this sudden push toward him. It's not the OMGLIGHTNINGLYNCHRUSH he got hit with in Worms Armageddon, but it still feels like an end-of-day push onto a lurker to avoid resolving the main trains of the day (Zakeri vs. Pesco vs. Kefit). Sodium is the main offender in my eyes here given his vote was on Pesco and he agreed with the case on Serela but moved to Excal anyway. Obviously Serela isn't going to move to himself - while this does not absolve him of not moving to Zakeri or Kefit, it at least gives him a little leeway considering his choices are limited - and Rat and Zakeri both voted early enough that I'm inclined to cut them a little bit of slack. Sodium did say he was going to wait for Serela's promised post, and now that we have it, I very much want to see what Sodium has to say about Serela vs. Excal.
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?lice Bl?ckb?rn

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #222 on: May 06, 2010, 10:28:01 PM »
Seconding Kilga, and this is why I think the Excal wagon is extra bollocks: he's lurked so much that we're talking about someone inactive, and while he does have some Scummy transgressions against him, most of what he has is not that bad to warrant a last-minute wagon on him when the accusations against both Zakeri and Kefit have not been resolved yet (also, Kefit has not posted anything of value in approximately the same amount of time as Excal hasn't posted anything at all, so yeah).

@Kefit: I see you as being online, mind posting something right about now, like an opinion on the Pesco/Serela/Excal/Zakeri trains, and which you'd vote for since your Roukan vote is highly unlikely to go through? Much appreciated, thanks. :P
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #223 on: May 06, 2010, 10:29:47 PM »
Baity seems to be chronically rushed in his rereads in that he never quite seems to keep up with discussion. By now he seems to have just about caught up, so he's not ringing any bells in particular with me.
I was. Until now  :|

Reading. Though... there's not a lot of time before deadline hits so I might or might not be able to get something out.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #224 on: May 06, 2010, 10:30:09 PM »
Okay, you talk about Zak and how terrible he is, and then go no where with it because you heard that he has META. Next, you talk about Kefit for all of 5 words(about how you don't really see anything), then talk about how... dumb you are? =V You then refer to (Excal, You). Who's you? Then there's agreement with a case, which is fine this close to deadline, but the whole "It's hard to put stuff out Day 1" seems like you're way too concerned with justifying what you say.

...And I don't even want to really read the rest of that post in depth, because there were a lot of words doing nothing and I don't see anything that will change that.

I don't get your Excal Vote. Partly because I don't get your post at all. There's also a lot of fluff in that post. Oh, and you saying that you're stupid repeatedly isn't helping.

Uh yeah, pls kill NeoSerela and Excal. Excal less because Neo's vote on him seems like last ditch "save me" while not making any sense.
##Unvote
##Vote NeoSerela
I'm hoping someone switches onto Neo too. I do realise that this will push Kefit ahead, but I'd also like to avoid a tie, as "person who posts the fastest" isn't really an accurate judge.

Kilga: Excal was my second choice halfway through the day. =V

FallenAngelVI

Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #225 on: May 06, 2010, 10:35:15 PM »
Weee lost my post the first time.

Kilga/Alice: I'll break down my thoughts on the Kefit case into points, starting with the obvious.

1. I think Kilga's scummy for the reasons I mentioned in #195, and I therefore look less favourably on the motivations behind the Kefit case (yes, I saw what he posted in #198 and it's beautifully worded rhetorical garbage; any townie is naturally going to be less willing to trust something if it comes from one of their top suspects). If I thought Kilga was obv-town I'd be more inclined to vote Kefit.

2. My views on Kilga's #125 case independent of its maker, starting with the first paragraph: When Benny only had #62 and #67 up I wasn't entirely sure myself whether he was voting 50% for wagon size (I swear #67 is ambiguous), so I can see the 'semi-loaded question' being a genuine mistake. The rest is largely fine. I did wonder if Kefit might've been keeping his vote on Benny because he genuinely thought he'd found something scummy there and was therefore disinclined to believe Benny's response, but he didn't mention this in #135, so I ruled that out.

3. The second paragraph doesn't do a great deal for me. I have no problem with his pressing Zakeri; I would've done the same if I'd been around. His calls for civility/people to post would've been more objectionable if they hadn't come in a post where he was also elaborating on his Benny stance. I also have no problem with his request re: Excal; I asked basically the exact same question as town in Bamboo Forest Day 2 on UK (and IIRC no-one other than her answered)

4. I'm divided on the conclusion. On the one hand, it requires scum-Kefit thinking that MoTK town would let him get away with spending the day clinging to a sacred (not a typo) newbie with substandard reasoning. On the other, I saw from MoTK Mafioso that scum-Kefit isn't exactly good at his job. Meh.

5. The main suspicions I have on Kefit really stem from #135 onwards. Anything else I say here would just be repeating my previous posts, so see them, and I'm further miffed that he apparently isn't going to be making another post before deadline (though I could say the same about Excal). I agree that Pesco's last posts are an improvement. Willing to revise my views to Zak > Kilga > Kefit > Pesco. Sticking around and will vote Kefit to counter any resurging Excal wagon.

If anyone asks me another freakin' question before deadline they're getting my vote.
Spoiler:
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #226 on: May 06, 2010, 10:54:14 PM »
@V: the main reason why I think the whole Kilga issue is a mutual misunderstanding was that one of his major points against you - specifically, the hypocricy in claiming that ED1 votes are useful for informational purposes while simultaneously slamming Zakeri for voting for someone solely off of ED1 voting patterns - was actually not that terrible. Specifically, while not a good reason to vote you, it wasn't quite a misrep because at the time it wasn't clear that the difference was that in one case you had a Scum-Roukan flip taken into account, and in the other case, no flips. I mean yes, this was true, but not all of us are psychic and it *did* look a bit odd until the (rather obvious in retrospect, but the retrospectoscope is all-knowing and yet rather annoyingly worthless) clarification in one of your later posts. :V
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #227 on: May 06, 2010, 11:01:57 PM »
I'm agreeing that Excal not posting to the point of being inactive is not a crime given that it's day 1. If it continues into later days then it's something to look at, but as I've been told myself it's a little early for it now. Will vote against the Excal lynch if necessary.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #228 on: May 06, 2010, 11:08:03 PM »
Also, so we can keep track of this last-minute rush:

VOTE COUNT  -  Made In Scotland Edition

Kefit (4): Roukanken, FAV, Kilgamayan, Carthrat, Excal, Pesco, huh what, Alice
Excal (3): Carthrat, NeoSerela, Zakeri, MSB, NeoSerela
NeoSerela (3): Benny1, Pesco, Roukanken, MSB
Zakeri (2): FAV, NeoSerela, huh what, Pesco, Excal, Roukanken, Baity
Pesco (1): MSB, Alice, Roukanken, huh what, Benny1, NeoSerela
Roukanken (1):  MSB, Kefit
huh what (0): Baity, Benny1, Zakeri
Benny1 (0): Kefit, Excal, Zakeri, Roukanken, Pesco
Carthrat (0): Baity, Excal, Kilgamayan, Roukanken
Kilgamayan (0): Carthrat, FAV, Benny1
FAV (0): Kefit, Pesco, Kilgamayan
MSB (0): huh what

8 votes required to hammer, just under 40 minutes remain.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #229 on: May 06, 2010, 11:10:25 PM »
My cat is currently taking a nap ::)

If we have to go into sudden death for a lynch, I want Kefit vs Neo.

Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #230 on: May 06, 2010, 11:22:04 PM »
@Baity: Reducing the point I made on Excal Vs. Kefit to a bit on "Quality Vs. Quantity" is a strawman. When it comes to making evidence on a mafia case, especially day one where there is none to begin with, it should come down to Quantity because there is no differing levels of Quality.

I watched in Mafioso Mafia as a townie accidentally fakeclaims during lylo, and was lynched for it. That fakeclaim was literally the only reason anyone jumped on the bandwagon, because it was perceived as a Quality scumtell. No one had taken a step back to look at the whole picture, to point out, or even bother to look for other reasons why that person might be scum or not.

Even if you think it's the perfect reason, if there's only one reason you still have a pretty shaky chance of finding a mafioso with your case.

I don't really want to go ahead and go with a Lynch all lurkers attitude at this point. The problem is however that the people I want to lynch are lurking.
I want to do a Neo Serela ISO, but I'm not sure how fast I can crank it out.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #231 on: May 06, 2010, 11:45:31 PM »
Yeah, at this rate, there's no way I can put something out unless it's a one-shot analysis. So!

215. Contains a lot of words. That said, that's a terrible reason for swapping to Excal. Especially when in the same post you paraphrased (or is that a word-for-word quote?) that "LAL doesn't work on D1". That's... uhh... a nice contradiction, one worth of my vote because I'm still a bit torn with the Zak case despite finding so strange with it.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela

Tie 4/4 Vote with Kefit (I hope I made it in time)

Zak's cut: *looks up strawman* I don't think I did that. There's also the fact that you ended up dropped the 'first' (see the post) reason for the vote. So in actuality, there were two reasons for my vote on you at that point; voting for somebody based on vote numbers and using quantity over quality as a means to justify.

I'd put more down, but time constraints.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #232 on: May 06, 2010, 11:46:01 PM »
I'm back, and voting is closed!  Pretty sure there's no need for sudden death, though I'm checking my hasty votecount.  Official resolution post will take awhile, so don't hold your breath.

Well, look at that.  I got cut while rushing the post in.  Going by the most strict interpretation of my criteria for the start of the day, you posted that with 15 seconds to spare, Baity. :P
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #233 on: May 06, 2010, 11:46:51 PM »
On behalf of the GM, I'd call that a HAMMER SHUT UP.

Ninja'd by a Baity vote that may have been all of 30 seconds too late. :|

Then ninja'd by the real GM doing his job. I CAN TELL WHEN I'M NOT NEEDED ;_;

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #234 on: May 06, 2010, 11:50:24 PM »
If it is Sudden Death, then we do have a little more time to decide.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #235 on: May 06, 2010, 11:50:45 PM »
Okay, we are now in Sudden Death.  Any vote changes that put either Neo or Kefit ahead will result in an immediate lynch.  If there's still a deadlock 24 hours from now, who lives and who dies will be judged by the candidates' respective appeal haiku submitted in the thread during that time frame.  Awesome, this means I can put off writing the flavor post for awhile longer.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #236 on: May 06, 2010, 11:52:53 PM »
ffs Baity, was that really necessary?
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #237 on: May 06, 2010, 11:56:04 PM »
Cut: alright, I'll post this anyway then.

Fuck this low carb diet, Neo's waffles are making me hungry. :3

Semi Clears me on Pesco's Meta. Semi-attacks Excal for bandwagon hopping. Eventually backtracks on both points. The Sheer amount of self-hate to the point of completely backtracking everything you've ever even kind of said is annoying. If you're honestly town, you should have no fear of being right or wrong, as long as you can present or at least demonstrate that you have reasons for your vote that you believe in.

The case on Neo is as good as the cases on Excal and Kefit to me, and as such if not lynched, I would definitely need to see an improved (or in the cases of Excal and Neo, some) play day two.

I assume my vote on Excal is meaningless now, so I'll say now that I'd prefer a Kefit lynch over a Neo Serela. Kefit's previous actions show to me some ill intent towards others, which is slightly worse to me than Neo's self-hate.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #238 on: May 06, 2010, 11:57:04 PM »
I still have a useless vote on Zak but it's 1AM, my head doesn't work and I have no desire to look at NS right now. Will read him tomorrow morning and make a casting vote if no-one else has.

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Day One
« Reply #239 on: May 06, 2010, 11:57:55 PM »
For starters, I could just as easily remove my vote. I was still in the middle of writing a reply  :|
I also found NS more scummy than Zak at this point.
Now, I also believed you wanted Kefit to reply, so I don't really see how this was bad unless you don't like something like -arbitrary amount of time from a few seconds to 24h0-
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