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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #360 on: May 28, 2010, 03:04:39 AM »
Alright. It's nothing compared to a VoWG timeout, but I just made two consecutive VoWG captures. 3/15 history now.
Of course, I'm cheesing through it with Marisa C.
Ha ha. Even if Marisa C has a 'fat' hitbox and uses gimmicks, there's no denying that it makes VoWG twenty seconds shorter. And stages are trivialized.
and all of the world records for MoF are with Marisa C, on Easy-Lunatic, and Extra.

That being said, Lunatic is brutal. Hina, and Nitori, and... nothing like IN on Lunatic...

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #361 on: May 28, 2010, 03:17:36 AM »
and all of the world records for MoF are with Marisa C, on Easy-Lunatic, and Extra.
Of course, when you think about it, the current world records for UFO Easy/Normal are with MarisaB...

But yeah, MariC has the most potential out of all the MoF shot types, when used effectively. She's gimmicky, but in a strong way.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #362 on: May 28, 2010, 03:21:44 AM »
I'm not very good with her though. My 1cc with her was all kinds of terrible. I did No Death Extra with her, and it looks like she's my best chance at a No Bombs clear of Extra if I get back to trying that. Never will try NB on Lunatic as I suck at Stage 4 and Aya, as well as Kanako.

MoF Lunatic is very doable with bombspam. Not talking about bomb everything, but bomb the dangerous stuff and capture the easy stuff. It's kind of tough to get to VoWG with enough lives though.

And yeah, IN Lunatic is very doable. Just not in No Bomb terms. I still wouldn't try that there, and it's my strongest game in the series.

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #363 on: May 28, 2010, 03:26:13 AM »
It's kind of tough to get to VoWG with enough lives though.

Ha ha. As long as I would have two extra lives entering Source of Rains, I'll have the resources to enter VoWG with one~ extra life and all four frostthrowers directly underneath Kanako.

Which... Having all four options below Kanako is the equivalent of pointblank shotgunning with Reimu C. Perhaps more. Only you can be at any range you want.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #364 on: May 28, 2010, 03:40:34 AM »
Of course, when you think about it, the current world records for UFO Easy/Normal are with MarisaB...
Only because of the recent touch-ups done by yukarin. Scoring routes are still being worked on believe it or not.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #365 on: May 28, 2010, 03:42:52 AM »
Scoring routes are still being worked on believe it or not.
Wait, what? It's been almost a year, but we still haven't come with a way to maximize score?
Oh, and couldn't they get more score by timing out + grazewhoring every noncard that doesn't belong to a midboss?

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #366 on: May 28, 2010, 03:48:37 AM »
Almost a year, but there's been some very recent discoveries which improve over the existing route by a somewhat large margin. For instance, Ichirin's 2nd Non-Spell and how you're supposed to go grazing it; a difference of potentially ~50 Graze per iteration is not minor at all. Here's a blog of a player that I've been following for a while. Note the date of the latest entry.

Oh, and couldn't they get more score by timing out + grazewhoring every noncard that doesn't belong to a midboss?
They're already doing this for most Non-Spells. Most.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #367 on: May 28, 2010, 04:09:15 AM »
But not Shou's second nonspell. Sure, there's not much potential for too much grazing at all, but there's two massive blue UFOs to blow up in stage 6, so...
And there's Byakuren's last noncard, but there's like .1% as much point items after that point.

Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #368 on: May 28, 2010, 04:15:28 AM »
Scoring routes are still being worked on believe it or not.
Wait, what? It's been almost a year, but we still haven't come with a way to maximize score?

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #369 on: May 28, 2010, 04:53:51 AM »
Reunlocked Hatatatatatatatatatatatatate in DS. Now the real fun begins. >:3 Time to 100% this bitch.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #370 on: May 28, 2010, 05:58:05 AM »
Beat lunatic Reimu using Sakuya in PoFV match mode.

Defeating Shikieki with Sakuya seems to be very possible, by the way. Extremely painful and probably very time-consuming, but certainly possible.


update: first attempt after posting here... lost 2-0 to Shiki after twice getting her to half an orb and no gauge. not sure whether to celebrate coming back so well from a month-and-a-half layoff or to punch a hole through a concrete wall.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #371 on: May 28, 2010, 06:56:06 AM »
But not Shou's second nonspell. Sure, there's not much potential for too much grazing at all, but there's two massive blue UFOs to blow up in stage 6, so...
And there's Byakuren's last noncard, but there's like .1% as much point items after that point.
Syou's 2nd Non-Spell is being actively grazed in Easy / Normal. With Marisa, I believe you can also graze the lasers as they're arching out for potentially an extra 100 Graze or so per iteration. Obviously, as it speeds up it becomes harder / impractical to do so.

I'm also going to add that for every 10 Graze you get, you get an additional 1k added to your score (as part of the Clear Bonus). There are also a rather large number of Point Items that follow, so that bit adds as well. You can also actively graze "Devil's Recitation" for a few hundred more before it becomes impractical as you start to sacrifice Spell Card Bonus for extra Graze.

In the words of a scorerunner, "Every bit counts!"
And I take that very seriously, see me desperately trying to grab that extra 1k just to put myself above the other person.

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #372 on: May 28, 2010, 07:01:02 AM »
Syou's 2nd Non-Spell is being actively grazed in Easy / Normal. With Marisa, I believe you can also graze the lasers as they're arching out for potentially an extra 100 or so per iteration.
100 grazes or points?
Cheating? I cannot even wrap my head around the point of it. Wouldn't you know you had cheated? How on Earth could you maintain crisp certainty of your superiority to all others? And if you're unable to do that, what's the point of anything?

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #373 on: May 28, 2010, 07:04:55 AM »
Graze. You don't get points directly for grazing in UFO  :V

That said, amending~
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #374 on: May 28, 2010, 07:13:41 AM »
Graze. You don't get points directly for grazing in UFO  :V

That said, amending~
Oh, after that bit you said:

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I'm also going to add that for every 10 Graze you get, you get an additional 100 added to your score

So I thought it applied to UFO (though only 10 grazes for lasers was way too low for it to make sense :derp:).  I consider that "direct", though I'll admit I never pay attention to score in the games.
Cheating? I cannot even wrap my head around the point of it. Wouldn't you know you had cheated? How on Earth could you maintain crisp certainty of your superiority to all others? And if you're unable to do that, what's the point of anything?

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #375 on: May 28, 2010, 07:22:25 AM »
I appear to be :derp: ing it up today; I blame the lack of sleep. It's from the Clear Bonus, where your Point Item Value gets multiplied by 100 (and then added to your Total Score). 10 Graze adds a +10 to the Item Value. I made the connection between Graze, Point Item Value and the Clear Bonus all in that one statement  :V

...whoops, that should be 1k. Fixing that as well.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #376 on: May 28, 2010, 10:41:04 AM »
Finally cleared Stage12 in DS! If I can stop laughing my ass off at EX-1 long enough to actually capture it I might finally clear this game. C:

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #377 on: May 28, 2010, 01:01:52 PM »
Another DS compilation of whatever, this time containing a bit of 11-x and more 12-x.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #378 on: May 28, 2010, 01:35:56 PM »
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #379 on: May 28, 2010, 01:51:47 PM »
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #380 on: May 28, 2010, 02:32:48 PM »
Devil's Recitation 1DNB Timeout. I Wanna Be The Phar.

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So where have you been since ... April, anyway ? :V

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #381 on: May 28, 2010, 02:59:04 PM »
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:V

...So, here's my VoWG Lunatic timeout. Decided to try it after seeing Zengeku's excellent timeout. It took somewhere in the region of thirty attempts (most of which were relearning the card since I'd never bothered with macrododging and it was hurting my consistency). Very pleased to have managed it in a short timespan like that; I went into it thinking it'd take me a week at least to build up the consistency to pull it off. I guess I've improved from the days of my first captures more than I'd thought. :D
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #382 on: May 28, 2010, 03:10:14 PM »
10-4 is not hard with Hatate. :V Yesterday I beat it with her first try.

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #383 on: May 28, 2010, 03:44:27 PM »
:V
Was kind of hoping to cut you with the post  :<
Also congrats, etc.

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12-8 looks like a puzzle-type to me. I've been treating it like one for the time being with pretty good success; I don't even have to amass defensive shots to close in and take a good shot. Seriously, all I've done so far with my shots is scoring, defensive, scoring, etc. though that might be subject to change as I progress further. I'll get around to finishing it off in the morning (i.e. after I wake up); I've had enough of being screwed over in 12-7 when going for 1.7mil.
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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #384 on: May 28, 2010, 03:46:46 PM »
Timing out VoWG is just a fantasy for me. My best is 6 deaths. That only happened once. I usually game over when I try it. I can't read the card or play against it worth anything.

Congrats.

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #385 on: May 28, 2010, 07:27:35 PM »
1CC'd UFO Normal today! The only normal shooter I have left to beat is MoF, which is a pain.

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #386 on: May 28, 2010, 08:35:26 PM »

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Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #387 on: May 29, 2010, 01:05:48 AM »
So where have you been since ... April, anyway ? :V

Playing Crawl over at CAO, of course.

Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #388 on: May 29, 2010, 02:01:05 AM »
And EX Stage in DS completed! Only Spoiler Stage left, then I'm done with Aya completely! :V

Re: Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)
« Reply #389 on: May 29, 2010, 02:04:31 AM »
And EX Stage in DS completed! Only Spoiler Stage left, then I'm done with Aya completely! :V

See you in ten minutes, raving about your Spoiler stage completion!