Touhou ::smug:: Thread (VIII)

[Sapz]

X is bullshit
X is retarded
X is full of clipdeath

I'm basically just re-iterating what Naut said here, but this has been annoying me for a while. Only a truly bad shmup has attacks that are 'bullshit'. Some attacks have varying difficulty dependent on how lucky you get, and some attacks are just plain harder than other attacks, but that doesn't make them bullshit in the slightest. Practice them until you get better at them, watch videos, read strategies on how to clear them. Someone being unable to clear an attack well does not make it unfair. :V The only things I might consider to be 'bullshit' in Touhou are a few attacks in SoEW, but that's because:

1. Suicide bullets that shoot suicide bullets. :derp:
2. Some bullets with hitboxes bigger than their sprites.

It's more a case of silly things you need to learn about than impossible attacks, though.

As for IN... I actually found it one of the hardest 1ccs, although that might be because I kept deathbombing and didn't have 6B unlocked for practice. :3 For Brilliant Dragon Bullet, I find it's easier to move to the side of the lasers that would have gone around you had you stayed in one place for a little more dodging room.

except that you don't learn anything by playing on a difficulty you can constantly 1cc

UFO isn't that "oh my god this is hard but it's still fun" difficulty like BWR Hell.
It's that kind of "what the fuck were the programmers smoking" difficulty.

tl;dr: UFO sucks even though the scoring system makes more sense than the previous touhous

It's harder to get good at it when compared with the other games. That's pretty much it. :V Just keep going with it and you'll improve at mixing the UFO chaining and dodging together.

[Bananamatic]

Just keep going with it and you'll improve at mixing the UFO chaining and dodging together.

If that game only let me FUCKING PRACTICE WITHOUT FORCING 1 POWER ALL THE FUCKING TIME

no thanks ZUN

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

So Mushihimesame Futari Ultra is a bad shmup then by that logic. Oh, and that is the one mode of it that I refuse to play. Dodonpachi is a bad shmup because the stages are BS.

Actually, I would call Futari Ultra bad, but not DDP outside of the stages.

[Sapz]

If that game only let me FUCKING PRACTICE WITHOUT FORCING 1 POWER ALL THE FUCKING TIME

no thanks ZUN

UFO shot analysis. Notice how 1.00 power is on average at least 80% of the power of 4.00. Admittedly the options are a fair bit weaker, but it's waaaaaay less of a difference than most people make it out to be.

So Mushihimesame Futari Ultra is a bad shmup then by that logic. Oh, and that is the one mode of it that I refuse to play. Dodonpachi is a bad shmup because the stages are BS.

Actually, I would call Futari Ultra bad, but not DDP outside of the stages.

By what logic, exactly? Would you mind pointing me to a section of either of these games that are unfair, and explain why? Because I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: Taking it to PM so as not to shit up this thread any further. :V

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Almost the entirety of Ultra qualifies as unfair. I think the only fair parts are early stage 2, early stage 3, and stage 3 boss.

[Naut]

Almost the entirety of Ultra qualifies as unfair. I think the only fair parts are early stage 2, early stage 3, and stage 3 boss.

Enigma: You seem to be mistaking 'I do not like this game' and/or 'this game is too difficult for me' for 'this is a bad game'. You should probably look into that. :V

Please, for the love of God, look into this.

[Formless God]

Difficulty?

Any.

[Iryan]

 :yukkuri:

[Drake]

Managed to get to midboss Sanae (Lunatic) before keeling. Fresh run, so I'm actually getting fairly close. I think I'll switch to MoF for a bit.

[nintendonut888]

Managed to get to midboss Sanae (Lunatic) before keeling. Fresh run, so I'm actually getting fairly close. I think I'll switch to MoF for a bit.

GOOD JOB.

*ignores last page of debate on what's BS and what's hard*

We seriously need a big thread for everyone to duke it out over stuff like this.

[Barrakketh]

GOOD JOB.

*ignores last page of debate on what's BS and what's hard*

We seriously need a big thread for everyone to duke it out over stuff like this.

So zeta slow.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

IN Hard 1cc with Reimu solo default settings

[nintendonut888]

I fiddled with my vsynch patch, fixed the remaining input lag for MoF, and celebrated with the sexiest VoWG clear there ever was:

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8797

[Drake]

poast settings

[nintendonut888]

Default, except for "vsynch" which I switched to 1 instead of 0.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Default, except for "vsynch" which I switched to 1 instead of 0.

Well, that's pretty much activating the vsync soooo

[Zengeku]

I don't want to come off as an elitist asshole, but if this is the case then you should probably be playing on a lower difficulty. Frustration makes anybody play inordinately worse, so it's worth your time to take a break or practice on a lower difficulty until you get the gist of the card, then move up to a higher difficulty and let your dodging skill carry you through to a capture, since you know how to approach the card now.
[/qoute]

The problem is that UFO Hard isn't that hard to me. Another thing is that my grinding of spellcards in UFO was multiple months ago. Nowadays i often get near-perfection on everyone that's not Byakuren.

[qoute]
You're not really familiar with the shmup genre, are you.
[/qoute]
I have tried a bunch but i have never liked one. Touhou is different. Or at least it was.

[Jaimers]

Jaimers, what did you do different from me? We've probably been playing the same amount of time.

Oh I was a very stubborn SOB back in the day.

Spoiler:

Still am.

I would always play way above my current level of skill.
When I got annoyed by my inability to dodge I would go play PoFV to build up some raw dodging skills.
I also beat StB very early on in my "Touhou career". This game teaches you quite a couple of things that are quite usefull: like how to figure out patterns, micro- tapping duo to Aya's speed etc.

But yeah, everybody gets better at their own pace. It's not about who does X fastest, it's about having fun.

[Krimmydoodle]

Accomplishment list (because the previous thread was locked and I can't edit the last version of this post):

Lunat1ccs:
HRTP
SoEW
PoDD
LLS: Marisa A
MS
EoSD: Reimu A, Reimu B
PCB: All Shot Types
IN: All Teams (No Solo Characters)
PoFV: Cirno, Aya, Medicine
MoF: Reimu A, Reimu B (No Bombs), Reimu C, Marisa A, Marisa B (VPatch Debug)
SA: Reimu A (No Bombs), Reimu B
UFO: Reimu A, Reimu B, Marisa A, Marisa B is a useless piece of shit, Sanae A, Sanae B
StB: 85/85
DS: Aya 108/108, Hatate 99/99

No Death/No Bomb Stage Runs:
EoSD: 1 2 3 4 5 6 X
PCB: 1 2 3 4 5 6 X P, No Focus 3
IN: 1 2 3 4a 4b 5 6a 6b X (mostly out of negligence)
MoF: 1 2 3 4 5 6 X
SA: 1 2 3 4RA 4RB 4RC 4MA 4MB 4MC 5 6 X
UFO: 1 2 3 4 5 6 X

Other Accomplishments:
Total Purification, Youmu No Focus Timeout
Post-Momizi Waterfall "Capture"
Peerless Wind God, No Focus Capture (thanks to Formless God's silly suggestion)
VoWG, No Death/No Bomb Timeout
MoF 1cc, 125% Speed (use VPatch to force MoF to run at 75 fps)


Did an SA 1cc with Reimu B for the lulz.

It's been a while since I've had such a bombspam run outside of UFO.  Also, taking on Catwalk is extra lulzy with ReimuB; it really doesn't seem to matter whether you take it on with 4 Power or 0 Power, because Suika's homing marshmallows tend to cheeto laser slingshot around Orin's constant motion.

[The Greatest Dog]

VoWG Lunatic Capture!
Marisa C is better than anything Reimu B has to offer.
1/2 history, btw.

And a youtube link to go with it.

[Sen]

Perfect EoSD Stage 3 Lunatic with MarisaA! C:

[Drake]

I find it very interesting that many people don't like StB and PoFV, but in Jaimers' case it seems like it was a great tool for building skill. Neat.

[nintendonut888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34zReOOgHyQ

My VoWG clear, since I'm so enamored with my hax dodging I had to make a video about it.

EDIT: Killing Doll max rank capture. Still hyper. 8D

[Drake]

FFFF YEAH

[Zengeku]

I seem to have somewhat consistency on Peerless Wind God. What? That must be temporary.

I find it very interesting that many people don't like StB and PoFV, but in Jaimers' case it seems like it was a great tool for building skill. Neat.

StB is awesome but PoFV is kind of boring imo.

[Alice★f]

Okay, I don't know if this goes here or in the bitching thread:

Capture & Time Out (Unnatural Phenomenon) on Lunatic...

o_0 And I usually suck at this card on Normal. Having a 3/42 history (normal, 3/12 on Lunatic) on it, I didn't know whether to bitch at my inconsistency or praise myself because of simply doing something I haven't done before.

Almost capture Mt. Ooe on Lunatic. Another card that I monumentally suck at Normal. Also, Yuugi's last card is luckshit. For me, it depends on positioning and it you get rammed by the first wave of moving bullets.

History: 7/10 (Lunatic) I shouldn't be complaining. =[

SA Extra:

So I die two times: One really stupid death at the start... and another really stupid death on something... some non-spell, I don't know.
And then I capture Rorschach and survive Genetics (Haven't done this before). I cut the number of  bombs used in Philosophy of a Hated person.

I decided to suicide the last spell because I didn't want my first clear of SA Extra to be one where I had two incredibly stupid deaths. That said, I could have cleared it, but I plan to end the stage clean. "Deaths are there because they were necessary, etc."

And, it's two in the morning. How the fuck am I doing this?

And also made it up to MoF Stage 6 Lunatic with Reimu A. (With continues, mind you, I'm not a good player.) Died on VoWG. (Kanako is much easier than what I imagined on Lunatic for some reason) What the hell am I doing I haven't even 1cc'd the game in Hard yet.

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UFO Stage 6 Practice: (Normal)

Died to the starting fairies. -retry
Died four times to FF. -retry (About the number of times I die to VoWG Lunatic. =[
Died on St. Nikou's Air Scroll -retry | alt + f4



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PCB Stage 3 (Normal)


Die to Alice.-


Capture all Prismriver cards. (wtf)


wtf I'm going to bed, something's wrong with me... I'm pretty sure I'm not doing these things again for a while.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Just noticed that I have captured every spellcard on UFO's Hard difficulty. Like with Normal, it's not with just 1 shottype but spread among some of the shottypes.

[Jaimers]

CtC scenario D part 1

Probably the most interesting part of the game IMO.

EDIT:

MoF lunatic 1LC

What do you mean the bomb system is broken?  :V

EDIT:
Apparently I've beaten the number 1 score for Reimu B with this.  :3

[GuyonFire]

Bahaaaaaaaaa IN Extra stage complete with Border Team

After about, what, 3 months of Touhou playing.

[Choses]

Well, I just beat LLS Extra. After two days.
Finally, it's not impossible...