Author Topic: Final Fantasy XII (Read 17506 times)

Bananamatic · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2010, 05:52:14 PM »

In 10 minutes? Have you played IZJS or something? :V

Reddyne · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2010, 07:55:14 PM »

I have quite a history with the Final Fantasy series as a whole, and this one was rather disappointing.

The bad things were rather numerous and the regular complaints were spot on. Vaan and Penelo were out and out pointless characters. Gameplay felt like an MMO and could be fully automated. The plot was derivative and yet still managed to stagnate. The fun of using spells and summons was diminished. Sidequests were mostly boring. All in all, it just lacked the soul of a FF game. All of these factors have been done well in other FF games, but not this one.

The bright sides were small doses of goodness that unfortunately didn't outweigh the negatives. Hitoshi Sakamoto did a good job with the soundtrack and some songs in particular were quite good, although that only made me want a Vagrant Story sequel again. Gilgamesh (and his fight as a whole), Cid, and Balthier were great. Some side areas were a lot of fun to explore. Also, I loved giving my entire party the ability to steal, even if the spoils weren't great.

Still, with all the negatives, it's in my bottom third of FF games.

Widermelonz · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2010, 01:35:36 AM »

About 25 hours into the game, and I've got Deathbringers for all my characters. Should I cheese the game and goes for Zodiac Spear? Just how powerful is it? My characters' levels are at high-20ish.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2010, 05:10:28 AM »

Quote from: Watermelonz on March 25, 2010, 01:35:36 AM

About 25 hours into the game, and I've got Deathbringers for all my characters. Should I cheese the game and goes for Zodiac Spear? Just how powerful is it? My characters' levels are at high-20ish.

I'd say reset and play it normally :V

trancehime · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:19:44 AM »

Quote from: Watermelonz on March 25, 2010, 01:35:36 AM

About 25 hours into the game, and I've got Deathbringers for all my characters. Should I cheese the game and goes for Zodiac Spear? Just how powerful is it? My characters' levels are at high-20ish.

You can make a dash for it in the Necrohol of Nabudis if you have Protect/Shell. I'm assuming you beat the Bomb King, because you can't go to the area with Deathbringers until you get past that place.

Quote from: Bananamatic on March 25, 2010, 05:10:28 AM

I'd say reset and play it normally :V

I'd say play it however you want to play it :V

Bananamatic · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2010, 08:59:32 PM »

Quote from: Trance奴隷 on March 25, 2010, 09:19:44 AM

I'd say play it however you want to play it :V

uh

just reached Jahara on a normal run, party level 12-14.
No real problems, only grinded for gil twice(before Leviathan on Lhusu skeletons with Larsa, then chained Alraunes)

Hopefully Larsa will let me chain Panthers so I can get Jahara gear, rush Tiamat then Fira chain jellies with 2x LP.

Chaining anything before that is pretty shit tbh - the skeletons are the only ones which mass spawn but the fact that there are 2 kinds of them prevents any multiple bone fragment drops.

Alraunes are far apart and zoning is an ass, but it works the best.

EDIT: lol elder wyrm
took that bitch apart in 3 minutes with Jahara gear at lv22

what's so hard about him

Rikter · « **Reply #36 on:** March 28, 2010, 09:52:55 PM »

So just how good is this Spear of the zodiac thing and how do I go about getting it? I heard you can screw up the process of getting it really early on if you don't know what youre doing.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2010, 10:40:54 PM »

Quote from: Rikter Belmondo on March 28, 2010, 09:52:55 PM

So just how good is this Spear of the zodiac thing and how do I go about getting it? I heard you can screw up the process of getting it really early on if you don't know what youre doing.

150 attack(highest in the game), don't open 4 chests in the game:
1) chest right across Old Dalan's house
2) anything in the Rabanastre Palace(the kitchen where you pass the guards)
3) Nalbina Dungeons, the room where you get your equipment back
4) the 16 chests on the Phon Coast

If none of these are opened, you get it at the Necrohol of Nabudis in the room with lots of chests, closest row to the entrance to the room, second from the left. DON'T equip Diamond Armlet.

You can also get it extremely rarely at Henne Mines in the hidden area(Mindflayer beaten, 10 Espers controlled), or abuse the RNG like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ttyn6AZxqY

either way, if you have missed it, don't worry, the game is perfectly doable without it.

There are always Tournesol, Masamune+Genji Gloves(missable), Ultima Blade, Excalibur(for Hell Wyrm) and Yagyu Darkblade(for Yiazmat)

Wylfred · « **Reply #38 on:** March 29, 2010, 12:03:59 AM »

I think its a fine game. A little easy though. On my first play through I rushed the zodiac spear and finished the game at lvl 41. It could've been harder. The story was alright. Nothing spectacular but it was enough to not skip scenes. The gambit system was great I turned my two other characters besides vaan into heavy support characters so I only had more control of where my damage went.

Rikter · « **Reply #39 on:** March 29, 2010, 01:30:11 PM »

Okay I still don't like the system as much as a tradiotional FF game but now that i've gotten into it more its good. I reached the Mimic Queen this morning and I should be on track for the Zodiac Spear seeing as I kept all those chests closed.

Widermelonz · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2010, 12:37:12 AM »

Hmm, for some reason Vaan doesn't seem that bad of a character anymore. I used to hate his gut, but now he's kinda alright. He seems more... mellow as the game progresses.

trancehime · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2010, 12:39:07 AM »

Quote from: Wylfred 無毀なる湖光 on March 29, 2010, 12:03:59 AM

I think its a fine game. A little easy though. On my first play through I rushed the zodiac spear and finished the game at lvl 41. It could've been harder. The story was alright. Nothing spectacular but it was enough to not skip scenes. The gambit system was great I turned my two other characters besides vaan into heavy support characters so I only had more control of where my damage went.

Well if you get the Zodiac Spear over 90% of the game becomes instantly trivial!

Bananamatic · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:15:55 AM »

For extra breakage, Barheim Passage and Steal :V

Fell asleep at 5 PM yesterday while chaining Mirrorknights :V

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2010, 02:21:43 AM »

Quote from: Trance奴隷 on March 30, 2010, 12:39:07 AM

Well if you get the Zodiac Spear over 90% of the game becomes instantly trivial!

Not really. It's a grind to get strong enough to be able to reach it, and if your equips are as up-to-date as they can be, then it's just really powerful. Your not going to hit 9999 as soon as you equip it though, so it's not a massive game breaker, closer to an Easy Modo due to the DPS rate boost.

trancehime · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2010, 12:30:12 PM »

Quote from: MystearicaUtsuho on March 31, 2010, 02:21:43 AM

Not really. It's a grind to get strong enough to be able to reach it, and if your equips are as up-to-date as they can be, then it's just really powerful. Your not going to hit 9999 as soon as you equip it though, so it's not a massive game breaker, closer to an Easy Modo due to the DPS rate boost.

I actually got my Zodiac Spear around Lv29 >_>;; I didn't grind as much as I could have grinded, and it made Bomb King very challenging, still beat him though.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2010, 02:08:50 PM »

Quote from: Trance奴隷 on March 31, 2010, 12:30:12 PM

got my Zodiac Spear around Lv29

o.O I couldn't get past Bomb King till the upper-30s.

trancehime · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2010, 03:38:11 PM »

Quote from: MystearicaUtsuho on March 31, 2010, 02:08:50 PM

o.O I couldn't get past Bomb King till the upper-30s.

Vaan was L30, everyone else was L28/29.
I abused the fact you could leave the room and come back in and fight him again

Bananamatic · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:22:24 PM »

I fought Bomb King with Phon Coast equipments at lv25.

Gave up after 15 minutes and the 20th Renew. He got nowhere close to killing me though.

also I know about disease and crap, I'm just not a huge fan of status crippling vs bosses

lv35 at pharos atm, level doesn't matter at all

Bananamatic · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:23:11 PM »

I fought Bomb King with Phon Coast equipments at lv25.

Gave up after 15 minutes and the 20th Renew. He got nowhere close to killing me though.

also I know about disease and crap, I'm just not a huge fan of status crippling vs bosses

lv35 at pharos atm, level doesn't matter at all

also what is so cool about infinite stealing from him

boring, benefits you only in one way, jellies offer gil+exp+LP

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #49 on:** April 02, 2010, 05:38:36 AM »

The enter-exit trick is cause of the Gate Crystal directly next to the entrance to the boss fight which lets you Quickening Spam if your good at it. Also lets you not have to worry about you MP. I only ever stole from Gilgy.

Widermelonz · « **Reply #50 on:** April 02, 2010, 06:35:41 AM »

I found out that if I keep on killing the Bomb King's minions, he'll keep on summoning his little bombs and have no time the cast Renew. I beat him with a 29/28/28 party with reflect on.

I just got the Zodiac Spear and I gotta say, it's not that great. Sure, it's powerful, but not by much. I deal about 2k damage with Deathbringers and 2.4k with the Zodiac Spear. Not that big of a difference if you ask me.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #51 on:** April 02, 2010, 06:50:47 AM »

Where can you get Deathbringers early? Zalera place? I thought they were a late game buyable or sumthin like that.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #52 on:** April 02, 2010, 11:08:18 AM »

Actually, I'm almost done(finished Gilgamesh and Ultima, only the 4 wyrms and Zodiark left) and ZS does much more for me than Ragnarok - berserked and with Bravery, ZS did 2-3x more than Ragnarok.

Am I the only one who found Gilgamesh 2 also rather easy? Chaos was much harder than him...

trancehime · « **Reply #53 on:** April 02, 2010, 11:29:50 AM »

Quote from: MystearicaUtsuho on April 02, 2010, 06:50:47 AM

Where can you get Deathbringers early? Zalera place? I thought they were a late game buyable or sumthin like that.

You can steal a certain enemy from Barheim Passage. Which is Zalera place.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #54 on:** April 02, 2010, 11:39:27 AM »

ithuno iirc, it's one of these mimics

Widermelonz · « **Reply #55 on:** April 02, 2010, 01:10:59 PM »

Yea and they're pretty easy to steal. It took me very little time to steal three of them, with Thief's Cuffs on.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #56 on:** April 02, 2010, 01:31:20 PM »

man I love the weather effects in this game

Ring Wyrm hunt, I was so relieved when I got back into the city because the sandstorm hurts your eyes
same for the subterra, almost no map and extremely dark

atleast this time I know how to properly get the black orbs, getting them 1 by 1 was an ass :V

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2010, 08:56:34 PM »

> How do you go from the 1st Subterra floor to the 2nd?

Bananamatic · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2010, 11:12:40 PM »

Insert black orbs into the daises, you have to insert an exact amount, or they all disappear.

Also, don't pick up little orbs, wait until you find the big one which contains 3x the orbs you didn't pick up.

Hell Wyrm took me 37 minutes. Now for Yiazmat...this is going to be fun >.>

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #59 on:** April 05, 2010, 02:14:05 AM »

Into the things that light up rooms? I did that, I put in the amount need for maximum brightness, 1 at a time.

Edit: Oh, and I pwned the Pheonix or w/e it was.