STG Thread Stage 4 ~ Like the Night of Hunting Bees

[Matsuri]

I can't get this lagless mame thing to work. Is there something I'm missing, here?

[Aisha]

What is the bug in 12-6 of Double Spoiler? I just captured it and didn't really run into any trouble.

[Matsuri]

Sometimes you'll die for no reason, even when no bullets are around. I heard simply restarting will fix it.

[ebarrett]

I heard simply restarting will fix it.

Sort of. It just sends the instakilling spot somewhere else for a few attempts, and "somewhere else" might be anywhere - including a worse position, i.e. exactly above the spawn point.

[Aisha]

I guess I got lucky. Right now, it feels like I'm dying for no reason in 12-7. The bullet hitboxes in this game feel really weird.

[Observer]

I guess I got lucky. Right now, it feels like I'm dying for no reason in 12-7. The bullet hitboxes in this game feel really weird.

THIS. So this. Sometimes it's like you are dying for no reason or that, suddenly, something was meant to spawn at your point (which should have flag or something to prevent such things).

Maybe ZUN will actually release a patch to solve these thingies, including the CTD problem that now and then strikes the game, although it's nowhere nearly as bad as the one in StB.

I know, don't quote it: ZUN+patch don't mix well together.  :V

Unlocked Hatate and trying to get used to her cellphone camera with Interwebz.

[lumber_of_the_beast]

Air Gallet blows.

[Matsuri]

I like DS a lot more than StB. I'm at 92/108 now, but I don't really see myself getting much farther. All of the ones I have left are kind of brutal.

Air Gallet blows.

your socks off. :V

[Aisha]

I'm at 88/108, basically everything up until 12-7. Slowly plugging away. I think DS is more interesting than StB as well, but sometimes it seems like there's some space between your hitbox and a bullet, and you still die. :V Seems a lot more common with lasers. I'm not really a big fan of hit detection from MoF on, but it seems a lot worse in DS.

[ebarrett]

Bwahahahaha

Air Gallet ship "speed"

edit: and unless I'm missing something, missiles >>>>>>>>>> everything else. fun game, though, considering how much of it hangs on what is either questionable design or horrible balance. scoring is simple enough for a shmup scrub like myself so that's another plus.

[Matsuri]

Have you played any Psikyo games, ebarrett? Games like Gunbird 2 and Strikers 1945 III have pretty much the exact same scoring system, and I consider them more fun. :p

[ebarrett]

I can't say I have played anything that wasn't explicitly recommended in these threads in the last month and a half, to be honest.

[Matsuri]

Definitely give Gunbird 2 a try. It's one of my very favorite shmups. Its scoring system is pretty much the same as Air Gallet's with a few things thrown in. There are coins that spin around, and if you collect them right as they flash, you get the full score for them, and even more if you can chain collecting them at top value. Think of it as kind of a rhythm game hidden in a shmup. :p

[Aisha]

Gunbird 2 is probably my favorite Psikyo game. Not too terribly fond of the Strikers 1945 series and Dragon Blaze doesn't really do it for me. Need to try figuring Great Mahou Daisakusen one day.

[Azinth]

I can't say I have played anything that wasn't explicitly recommended in these threads in the last month and a half, to be honest.

Why weren't you here two and a half months ago when I was jizzing over Gunbird 2 every other post. :V

Thinking about it though, GB2 might not be the best Psikyo to start out with since it's really memorization-heavy(I'd never call it a memorizer though).  The second or third Strikers games might be a better choice.  Dragon Blaze is awesome too, though it's hard as balls.

But yes, all four of the above games are godtier and you should go play them.

[Formless God]

Sort of. It just sends the instakilling spot somewhere else for a few attempts, and "somewhere else" might be anywhere - including a worse position, i.e. exactly above the spawn point.

I don't think there's an instakill spot. At some point Nue will decide to just Mudo you as soon as the battle starts, be it anywhere on the field.

Ironically though, I only got this bug while recording. Replays de-sync and trying to outsmart it with live runs doesn't work either :ohdear:

[Bananamatic]

Definitely give Gunbird 2 a try. It's one of my very favorite shmups. Its scoring system is pretty much the same as Air Gallet's with a few things thrown in. There are coins that spin around, and if you collect them right as they flash, you get the full score for them, and even more if you can chain collecting them at top value. Think of it as kind of a rhythm game hidden in a shmup. :p

with hooters

[Matsuri]

Gunbird 2 is probably my favorite Psikyo game. Not too terribly fond of the Strikers 1945 series and Dragon Blaze doesn't really do it for me. Need to try figuring Great Mahou Daisakusen one day.

Pretty sure Great Mahou Daisakusen is a Raizing game, Aisha. :/

[theshirn]

have tried Gunbird 2

does not suck as much as Air Gallet

further thoughts forthcoming

[Aisha]

Pretty sure Great Mahou Daisakusen is a Raizing game, Aisha. :/

Oops, you're right.

0/1230 on 12-7. 

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Just played a credit of BWR+. Got to the Stage 4 midboss on Hell before game overing. I was a few hundred thousand away from the 15,000,000 extend.

I really need to learn how to do the stages and bosses though. I pretty much get my ass kicked. Using the Peace because homing is too good to not use.

[Sapz]

Somehow made it to Stage 6 in ESPGaludaII, furthest I'd made it before that attempt was the Stage 4 boss. The Incredible Laughing Tank and Seseri are pretty much festivals of rape, it seems. :V

[KOA]

Oops, you're right.

That better be sarcasm. The scoring system is unbearably tedious. It's like scavenger hunt: the shmup.

[Matsuri]

ESPGaluda II is rape in general. But then again, I'm always trying to properly use Zetsushikai all the time, and failing. I'm sure if I stop trying so hard, I'd do much better.

[theshirn]

OK, Gunbird 2 gets INCREDIBLY stupid incredibly quickly.  The entire second loop is: bullets too fast to dodge, bomb, bomb, die, repeat, continue, etc.

[Sapz]

OK, Gunbird 2 gets INCREDIBLY stupid incredibly quickly.  The entire second loop is: bullets too fast to dodge, bomb, bomb, die, repeat, continue, etc.

Huh, interesting. Sounds a liiiiiiittle bit like every other second loop ever. :V

Also, tried ESPGaluda II in overheat mode. Game over at the start of Stage 3. Jeeeesus.

[Azinth]

Please don't start judging Psikyo games by their second loop.  Their very purpose is to be in a completely different world of difficulty from the first.  A 2-ALL of Gunbird 2 is universally considered harder than a 2-ALL of Dodonpachi, even without a TLB.  No western player has come close to doing it.  Of course the whole 4 lives thing doesn't help either.

Hey Sapz, have you tried any Psikyo games yet?

[theshirn]

The first loop is pretty vicious too, especially after the first three levels.  But eh.  Beats playing Air Gallet.

[Sapz]

Gunbird 2's the only one I've tried more than twice or so. Seems pretty fun, but I haven't looked into the scoring at all. Haven't made it past Stage 4 or so either, I get the feeling that it requires a lot of knowledge about what patterns the bosses will actually fire at you so you can anticipate the crazy fast bullets (pretty much all of my deaths are from something crazy fast I didn't expect). It's something I want to play more, but I never get around to it. :V

[Bananamatic]

whoever voted for air gallet doesn't deserve shmups for the following month

it's like dangun feveron

without the fun
with crappy hitboxes
with shitty speed
with bad music
with shitty lolmemorize bosses

Air Gallet will blow your socks off...and by socks, I mean your sanity and credits

let's just vote for fucking dodonpachi the next week