Author Topic: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY FIVE! (Read 43729 times)

Edible · « **Reply #420 on:** March 30, 2010, 04:53:26 AM »

@Kefit: Will you kill Jam tonight? Please say yes.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #421 on:** March 30, 2010, 04:58:27 AM »

I don't see why Jam should die if Sodium gets lynched flips scum, since there is no reason for scum to constantly attempt to bus their partner from their first vote of D1.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #422 on:** March 30, 2010, 04:58:47 AM »

EBWOP: I meant "gets lynched and flips scum".

Edible · « **Reply #423 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:00:27 AM »

Because if Kefit's town and doesn't kill tonight, he's dead.

Kefit · « **Reply #424 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:12:09 AM »

I think I made it pretty clear that my interference with Sodium's vig makes no sense whatsoever if I am scum. I don't feel that I should have to commit to a vig of any kind in order to confirm my townieness. I also don't want to commit to a foolish kill that leaves us with another townie death, seeing as we already have so few players remaining.

That being said, if Sodium flips town then I will strongly consider vig'ing Jam.

Oh, and my vig is indeed one time. Sorry I didn't specify that earlier.

Edible · « **Reply #425 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:52:16 AM »

Meh, I suppose that's reasonable enough.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #426 on:** March 30, 2010, 10:13:37 AM »

Kefit's case feels sort of like it's getting away on the sake of Appeal to Authority. Yes, it's a nice fancy wall of text, but IMO it's the most flawed thing he's produced all day.

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2) All you cops out there don't have to waste time or resources on investigating me. I'm a town Sneering Bastard, which means that I show up as scum to any investigation. Yeah, this looks bad for me, but keep in mind that if I were scum I would prefer to fake claim this AFTER the cop wasted a power use on me.

WIFOM out the ass.

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Sakana's claimed power has been perceived as a very powerful ability. It poses a substantial threat to the side opposite of the one with the power.

Scum!Governor is possible. A majority of people told him to go ahead with shooting Sakana. Why are you holding him responsible for a majority decision?

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Or it means that Sodium is town and I'm scum, and as scum I tried to interfere with the killing of a threatening townie. Sodium being town means that he rushed to use his vig kill as quickly as possible despite town's best interest of weighing in on the situation and discussing the new circumstances I had brought to the table. Sodium being town just doesn't add up.

You conveniently missed out a third option that makes everything add up: One of you is a Serial Killer/Third-party. Of those two I'm more inclined to think it's you based on a) not mentioning this possibility anywhere in your supposedly concise WoT and b) the fact you've claimed that you target at night and will turn up scum.

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That being said, if Sodium flips town then I will strongly consider vig'ing Jam.

Even though you'd be in Mylo with a scum kill in hand?

##Unevict: Jam
##Evict: Kefit

You got away with producing a little here and there up until now, but this attack is nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. I'm wondering how many people are just reading it and saying to themselves 'Ooh, lots of words and sarcasm! This must be a good case!'.

On this note, Huh What and Jam look bad for just following along.

Edible · « **Reply #427 on:** March 30, 2010, 12:37:41 PM »

Quote from: Roukanken on March 30, 2010, 10:13:37 AM

You got away with producing a little here and there up until now, but this attack is nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. I'm wondering how many people are just reading it and saying to themselves 'Ooh, lots of words and sarcasm! This must be a good case!'.

Slightly related, but I found it hilarious that UK would comment like she did on his post, because she'd probably only do that sort of thing if it was magnificent bastardry. :V

Kitten4u · « **Reply #428 on:** March 30, 2010, 03:23:34 PM »

The Sixteenth "Kitten4u Is Finally Doing Something Useful" Vote Count

UK will add flavor later if she feels like it

1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
6. MSB (2): Kefit, huh what
7. Edible (0)
9. huh what (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)

Not Voting (5): Jam, MSB, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
MSB is at L-2

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is in ~31 hours at 6 PM EST, Wednesday, March 31st

Kefit · « **Reply #429 on:** March 30, 2010, 07:54:39 PM »

Quote from: Roukanken on March 30, 2010, 10:13:37 AM

Scum!Governor is possible. A majority of people told him to go ahead with shooting Sakana. Why are you holding him responsible for a majority decision?

Because my vig claim at least warranted some discussion by the group before Sodium popped his power. There was none.

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You conveniently missed out a third option that makes everything add up: One of you is a Serial Killer/Third-party. Of those two I'm more inclined to think it's you based on a) not mentioning this possibility anywhere in your supposedly concise WoT and b) the fact you've claimed that you target at night and will turn up scum.

Having not played this game for about four years prior to Himelander, I just had to look up how the serial killer role operates - in other words, it didn't come to my mind when I wrote out my case against Sodium. If I was a serial killer then 1) we would have already seen multiple night kills and 2) I would not have thrust myself into the limelight with a vig claim when I was already getting away with inactivity. Serial killers must survive until the wee end of the game, and risky behavior is not a great way to accomplish this.

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Even though you'd be in Mylo with a scum kill in hand?

I was bored in class so I wrote a limerick that effectively communicates my feelings on the potential use of my vig power:

Kefit is now in quite a bad pickle,
To kill or not kill, you guys are fickle,
Edi wants night shot,
Rou says I cannot,
Am I thrown to wolves by you mob of dickles?

Edible · « **Reply #430 on:** March 30, 2010, 07:57:18 PM »

Quote from: Kefit on March 30, 2010, 07:54:39 PM

Kefit is now in quite a bad pickle,
To kill or not kill, you guys are fickle,
Edi wants night shot,
Rou says I cannot,
Am I thrown to wolves by you mob of dickles?

*wipes tea off monitor*

Edible · « **Reply #431 on:** March 30, 2010, 08:06:31 PM »

Actually, yeah. Screw it, mind's made up.

##vote Sodium

Kefit, I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to use your kill or not. I'd prefer if you did, but if you're town and scum decides to off you tonight, you won't have a chance to use your kill (assumedly).

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #432 on:** March 30, 2010, 08:38:47 PM »

Quote from: Kefit on March 30, 2010, 07:54:39 PM

Because my vig claim at least warranted some discussion by the group before Sodium popped his power. There was none.

Again, everyone told him to shoot. Why is Sodium alone responsible for this? :|

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If I was a serial killer then 1) we would have already seen multiple night kills and 2) I would not have thrust myself into the limelight with a vig claim when I was already getting away with inactivity.

WIFOM again. If Town doesn't think an SK exists they won't look, and this is a good opportunity to 'clear' yourself regardless.

If Sodium does flip scum, then go nightvigging. If he's Town, it isn't worth the risk considering that it's effectively Lylo after the scum kill.

This claim seems a bit too convenient.
The rest of town might be more lenient.
But whatever they say
I'll ##Vote: Kefit away
And hope everyone else can take the hint.

Spoiler:

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #433 on:** March 30, 2010, 11:42:45 PM »

I'm devolving into my old habits again. Damn.

Good news is, If Kefit is telling the truth, even in a scenario where we have two scum remaining and a serial killer, then Town has won already.

Note: This is only if Kefit is telling the truth.

What I mean is right now, only four people have a realistic chance of being scum - Sodium, Kefit, Huh what, and Jam. If Kefit is a town vig, then chances are Sodium is the Serial Killer, and Huh What and Jam are our remaining mafiosi.

I generally agree with Kefit's case on Sodium. Sodium's reaction to the fakeclain accusation does make it seem like Sodium wanted to prove his kill, using the majority vote as an excuse for it. Kefit's reaction to Sodium's claim by counterclaiming doesn't seem like something random he threw out there to confuse us (Unless I'm underestimating him). In short, I think Sodium is a serial killer, and Kefit is the real town vig.

I'm doing a real quick reread, skimming over Jam, Sodium, and Huh what's posts, and my theory on who is which faction seems to make a lot of sense. Huh what seems to tunnel on my all day one and two, ignoring everyone else for the most part. Jam tunnels on Edible and cheerleads me for day one, then switches to me day 2 out of desperation.

I'm also starting to see a lot of pokes with regards to the Mafia Triangel. Huh what's 264 concern over Roukan's case on Pesco is the diplomatic equivalent of taking a big stick and using it to shake a nest out of a tree while pretending he doesn't notice it's there. 261 has Pesco asking Sodium why he thinks jam is scummy, and Sodium's reply confuses Huh what into doing the same thing as above again in post 283. Huh what also jumps onto the Sakana wagon once Pesco starts to scapegoat him, and it seems like the Aim of the day for the three of them was to focus on Me and Sakana as scapegoats.

By day three, Jam is all but certain a lynch, and Huh what has been almost completely ignored up until this point. Cue Huh what's case on Jam, which makes a fair bit of headway. Jam's response seems to be that she's all but given up and willing to let Huh what take the credit for her lynch. Cue Vig Madness, and Kefit's huge case on Sodium, shortly followed by both of them ignoring everything they've said to each other before and dumping weight on Sodium, Huh what going so far as to vote along with Kefit.

I would rather we lynch one of Jam and Huh what, having Kefit vig the other, and then sort out the Vig/Serial killer thing tomorrow. Except we've practically already lynched Sodium, since no one can unvote. Yeah.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #434 on:** March 31, 2010, 12:50:31 AM »

Quote from: Edible

Slightly related, but I found it hilarious that UK would comment like she did on his post, because she'd probably only do that sort of thing if it was magnificent bastardry.

Didn't she remove it? :V

Quote from: Rou

Kefit's case feels sort of like it's getting away on the sake of Appeal to Authority.

I have no idea who he is so not really :V
I don't actually consider him to be obvtown based on his post if that's what you're thinking ("lol if cop investigates me they get scum" just seems kind of like an attempt to cover up any previous guilty investigations.), but his case on Sodium seems pretty sound and I'd like to see how it turns out.

Rereading Kefit's post, I don't really understand why Governor is dangerous for scum, especially in the hands of Sakana, who said he was just going to use it so he doesn't get lynched. I don't think this makes Sodium look any better, though, because if he is scum vig, he could have taken the chance with the intention of getting an easy kill on a townie without getting questioned over it.

Still supporting Sodium lynch either way, since aside from that he doesn't look very good right now, if Sodium flips scum then Kefit and Jam pretty much become obvtown, which is nice.

Quote from: Zakeri

What I mean is right now, only four people have a realistic chance of being scum - Sodium, Kefit, Huh what, and Jam. If Kefit is a town vig, then chances are Sodium is the Serial Killer, and Huh What and Jam are our remaining mafiosi.

How is Edible obvtown again? He hasn't even said much lately and didn't give him opinion on the Sodium case until a while after it was posted. His roleclaim is not in the favor of any side either. Rou isn't perfect despite being pro-town, but I'd rather wait for Sodium's flip to go over that.

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Huh what seems to tunnel on my all day one and two, ignoring everyone else for the most part.

I didn't even have computer access throughout the latter half of D1, but okay.

In 283 I asked that because I had no idea what Sodium meant and assumed that he said everything that he said about Jam applied to Pesco too, which, if you read his post, is stupid.
Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if Zakeri's double worked.

The reason I made that case on Jam is because I noticed the odd wording about her apparent "connection" with you while reread and hadn't seen it before. It doesn't seem to count for much at this point, though. Meh.

Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if the D1 double actually happened.

Edible · « **Reply #435 on:** March 31, 2010, 12:55:29 AM »

Quote from: huh what on March 31, 2010, 12:50:31 AM

Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if the D1 double actually happened.

Rou confirmed somewhere that he got a bonus, yeah.

Sodium · « **Reply #436 on:** March 31, 2010, 01:41:55 AM »

Have HMWK/Studying to do.

lol, I am already dead. Well, except for Kefit lynch(lolno), or getting into Haiku battle with someone else.

HW: What is there to suspect about Edible?

Nice to see Zak post.

What the hell is Rou doing?

Don't really see why HW is creaming himself over Kefit's case on me, but whatever.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #437 on:** March 31, 2010, 03:02:57 AM »

For the record, My target for today was Neitz, just in case we needed to hammer in the "All selections in during pre-game" part.

At this rate, only one will know my love :V

One or two of those prods may just be coincidence, but they're still there. And I don't mind that Rou hasn't confirmed if my d1 targeting worked or not, since he has no real reason to roleclaim.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #438 on:** March 31, 2010, 03:54:31 AM »

I'm studying for my two tests tomorrow guys...
It sucks, but I really can't have the time to post and whatnot.
I ought to be able to at least say something tomorrow before deadline...

Edible · « **Reply #439 on:** March 31, 2010, 03:21:56 PM »

Dum dee doo.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #440 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:36:04 PM »

Kay.

So.

My role is Kyoko Tachibana, Town Disabler.
So it's sort of like roleblocking, except not exactly... as I have to block the night before to block for the next day/night set.

However, it does make Sodium's idea that there could be 2 townie vigs seem all the more plausible to me.

Why am I saying this? Well, I'd really like to prevent myself from getting viged. Even if I get killed by the mafia, it would be preferable to them killing one of our people in addition to a town being viged.

I honestly just think that we should not use the vig at all unless we somehow become magically sure someone is mafia because there are so few of us left, and if it gets used on a Townie, we're about done due to MATH.

Basically [assumes 2 mafia are left]:

We use the vig on a townie
If we actually manage to lynch a Mafian - there's now one mafia member and 3 town, yay!
If we mislynch - there's now 2 mafia members and 2 townies...

We somehow actually manage to use the vig on a mafia member
If we lynch a mafian - WE WIN! [but really how likely is this given the current track record?]
If we mislynch - one mafia and 3 town are left

If we don't use the vig at all
Lynch a mafia - 4 town, 1 scum
Mislynch - 3 town, 2 scum [not good but far better than the other possibilities]

Once again, this assumes there's 2 scum left, which we can't be sure of... I just thought it'd be a good idea to lay it out like that.

That's about my piece for now.

Gonna wait a bit and see what the thoughts are.
I nothing happens in the few hours we've got left I suppose I'll vote Sodium as he is still somewhat shady, and the chances of someone else being lynched are really freaking small right now.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #441 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:42:53 PM »

Oops I lied.

Assuming my calculation of day ending time is correct this time around, I have class right until the day ends.

I'll try and get on a school computer really quick between classes but I dunno how that'll work..

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #442 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:54:23 PM »

So we have two roleblockers, too? <_< Or are you more like a Jailer? Because this seems really stupid.

Jam, how exactly does your "I need to block to block the next day" thing work? Do you just need to block every night or else you can't block anymore or something? You didn't explain it very well.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #443 on:** March 31, 2010, 05:31:39 PM »

Jam claiming what's basically a delayed roleblocker makes my face hurt. Also rolespeculation out the ass and 'I think Town/Town might be possible but I'll lynch Sodium anyway, oh and don't vig me plz'.

Guess the Kefit case isn't going through. >_> If Sodium flips Town, though, I'm on him tomorrow no matter what anyone else says, and even then Scum!Sodium doesn't rule out Kefit as an SK.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #444 on:** March 31, 2010, 05:57:32 PM »

huh what: I don't need to block someone every time [bad wording on my part]. I just have to state who I want to block for the next day and night the night beforehand. ie: I can't block Kefit's vig or any other night actions the night they would happen.

Rou: I'm sorry the roles are weird, I didn't come up with them.
Well there's really no way to prevent Sodium's lynch at this point unless everyone jumps on someone else at the last second. [we have what... an hour I think?]

Kefit is already pretty suspicious in a sense.
I mean he didn't post at all all day and then all of a sudden he comes out with this crazy logic and everyone's all for it? It does seem pretty suspicious. As does his statement that that a cop would find him scum. He states that if he were scum he wouldn't have told us that, but what if he's just trying to buy our trust?

I wouldn't be against lynching Kefit or Sodium, as I can't think of anything overly suspicious anyone else has done. Kefit may even be more shady for winning everyone's trust so quickly.

[class in 3 minutes enough time to like refresh and see if anything happens and if I should vote D:]
I suppose if you want to vote and force a haiku battle that wouldl be possible as well.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #445 on:** March 31, 2010, 05:58:42 PM »

Oh wait.
I suck at math.
Deadline is in like 3 hours, not one.

God am I stupid.
Okay then, I'll vote later on depending on what's going on.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #446 on:** March 31, 2010, 06:03:52 PM »

Quote from: Jam

Kefit you freaking amaze me.
I was thinking of prodding you for not posting at all save for the post about your role today, but this makes up for everything by being dang good.

Quote from: Jam

Kefit is already pretty suspicious in a sense.
I mean he didn't post at all all day and then all of a sudden he comes out with this crazy logic and everyone's all for it? It does seem pretty suspicious. As does his statement that that a cop would find him scum. He states that if he were scum he wouldn't have told us that, but what if he's just trying to buy our trust?

These seem slightly contradictory. :|

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #447 on:** March 31, 2010, 07:07:08 PM »

I would say it ought to be known that after thinking, people change their minds sometimes.

I'm trying to actually think rather than just jumping on what sounds smart for once.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #448 on:** March 31, 2010, 07:13:55 PM »

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Kefit may even be more shady for winning everyone's trust so quickly.

Uh, how does that make somebody shady at all? That involves the players who trust him more than Kefit himself, really.

I still stand by my earlier post in that Kefit does look somewhat suspicious, but Sodium should be higher priority since he seems more likely to be scum and his flip will give information on Kefit and Jam (and if he's scum, they both become obvtown). If Sodium flips town I'm all for a Kefit lynch tomorrow, though.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #449 on:** March 31, 2010, 07:28:23 PM »

^ That sounds reasonable.

I guess I'm just getting a bit overly paranoid because of the number of people left.
Sodium's flip will clearly help us figure out what to do next, and just about everyone seems down for it. I don't truly think he's scum, but there is enough of a chance of it.