Author Topic: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY FIVE! (Read 43747 times)

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #300 on:** March 25, 2010, 05:32:04 PM »

Spoiler:

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #301 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:07:31 PM »

I'd still like to see a Zakeri lynch (especially since his comment about post 280 of Jam's seems like he's trying to tie himself to somebody else (possible bus?) incase he dies), but seeing Jam go wouldn't be that bad either since she hasn't really been contributing much at all. Also curious about Bard, and he still hasn't answered my question, but I'd rather know Zakeri's alignment before commenting on him further. (Also, Zakeri still hasn't given me a reply about if he had any more reasons of keeping his early vote on Rou, but I guess it doesn't matter at this point. It's still not very nice to dodge the question, though.)

I'm kind of curious about Pesco, to be honest, but I don't see him as a huge priority right now. Would shed some light on Sakana, maybe, but I still think Sakana seems more clueless than scummy. But uh, why is Sakana supporting somebody starting a case on him?

Dead Princess Sakana · « **Reply #302 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:23:14 PM »

Quote from: huh what on March 25, 2010, 08:07:31 PM

But uh, why is Sakana supporting somebody starting a case on him?

Because I'm useless for analyzing or starting cases myself, as has been obvious, so maybe I can help generating useful stuff this way. Because with this, we might finally be able to get more insight into Pesco.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #303 on:** March 25, 2010, 08:41:54 PM »

^ Same for me. I'd like to hear what you've got on Sakana Pesco.
He's made a lot of mistakes, and the cases from someone who actually knows how to play the game [i.e.: not me].

Zak's stating that it looks like I'm his scumbuddy seems as if he's trying to get himself off the hook if I turn up scum [which I won't] for pointing it out...

And I don't know where you guys got that I didn't say anything about Zak before:

Quote from: Jam-Kiske on March 19, 2010, 09:18:40 PM

Nothing new to see really at this point. Rou and Edible going on back and forth isn't really doing anything... I'll stay where I am until Zak pops in again.

Looking over late Day 1 again, probably won't finish during this class. So yeah. D:

Bardiche · « **Reply #304 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:11:02 PM »

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What about everything else he's tried to pull? "Town doesn't care about looking town", the whole Edible voteswitch problem (though to be honest that doesn't count for much at this point), and so on.

I don't really agree with his logic, but I can see how he got there. He explained his town doesn't care business with that town naturally assume their actions are pro-town, which doesn't seem right to me but I can understand how someone gets there.

And the Edible voteswitch thing, ehhhh, you mean where he's the only one to vote Edible for rolefishing when the prevailing case was "Edible has a bad case"?

Saying you support a case != Scummy. The worst he's done is completely misundersand the Edible case and think it was based on his rolefishing.

Painting Nietz in scummy light != scummy either, enough of us found him scummy as well and unless you paint actions in a scummy light you'll never catch anyone on anything.

Regarding Rou, still don't really like the "lol everyone's suspicious" summation, since it's a cheap ticket to add, "Yeah I was suspicious of him all along!" when one of the suspects (loleveryone) turns out scum. Also spreading paranoia everyone looks bad yada yada but hey, no one's agreeing, no sense sticking to my guns.

Pesco: Post your case, shouldn't have to encourage you to do so etc. Newbies aren't immune to being scum.

Rou: You really need to stop this entire "coincidental" and "CONVENIENTLY" accusations. You've done this before, you're doing it again, it doesn't look good honestly it's just accusing someone of acting in a very deliberate and precise manner and I honestly can't imagine scum going for such a delicate setup.

Zak mentioning why post X scares him is perfectly reasonable. Yes it's WIFOM but you never know who might employ it and everything. Yes linking yourself to someone is usually something scummy since you want to lead town astray or are protecting a scumbuddy, town doesn't usually do this.

Good to see Edible's started playing, Day1 was such a massive trainwreck regarding him that I'm still :psyduck:ing about it.

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I don't really know what to make of Bard's accidental vote. It is possible that he did it on purpose, but Bard is generally a pretty defensive player and voting accidentally seems like something he'd do. >>

uh what Jam? I've only played here once. :V How can you make statements regarding 'generally', and how does being 'defencive' have any impact on whether or not I am a ditz?

On purpose or not it doesn't serve any purpose where it is unless people buy into a Rou case. (this was only a prod vote so I doubt it) If I was scum this just makes it that I can't tiebreak in favour of scumbuddies, as town I can't lend weight to my suspicions. However way you slice it it disadvantages me personally, so I don't really see why this move needs to be analysed and it was a dumb mistake anyway!

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Is Rou going MOARSCUMDAKKA as bad as Zak's approach on Nietz?

Zak's approach on Nietz wasn't too bad, standard way to point out who you think is scum, yada yada. Nietz looked bad enough anyway.

Looks like MSB's going to be useless for the day? Ugh.

##UNEVICT: Roukanken
##EVICT: Jam

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It was kind of silly for me to not evict someone else after that, but my second choice was surely Zak who was also close to having a vast majority so I figured it'd be best to just not have a vote in at all so

I read "I wanted to see Zak die yesterday but since he was leading I figured I'd not vote for him so to improve the chances of him dying

", obvious result: not lending weight to the death of the one you think is scummiest.

Hunt scum and vote for them. If you think someone should die, just vote since it won't end the day with EVICTs. No reason not to, could've changed the Day1 target, always try to convince people etc. Expecting new information to come in would have many of us thumb-twiddling, terrible excuse.

Dead Princess Sakana · « **Reply #305 on:** March 25, 2010, 09:15:23 PM »

Just throwing this in before I go to sleep, since I see it neccessary:

#Unevict
#Evict: Pesco

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #306 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:03:01 PM »

##Unevict
##Evict Sakana
Probably kinda abrupt here, but now that I think about it some more, Sakana is probably the safest choice right now and knowing his alignment would shed a bit of light onto Pesco. His evict towards Pesco confuses me since he didn't explain it beyond "I think it's neccessary", so it just kinda seems like OMGUS. Aside from that, his constant cluelessness hasn't made him look very good, and now that Pesco pointed out that he plays mafia irl he doesn't really have "THE NEWBIE EXCUSE" either (and I'm feeling kind of stupid that I missed this point when I made my last post).

Still find Zakeri highly suspicious and I'd like to see his flip, since if he turns out scum, it would affect my opinions on Bardiche and possibly Rou as well. I do believe Bard makes good points about the Edible voteswitch not counting for much, though, and Zakeri's general previous awkwardness could just be excused because it was early D1 (though that's not a great excuse, but whatever). It's also possible I'm just being blinded because I found Zakeri suspicious previously and need to get over it, but I dunno.

Would really like to see what Pesco has to say about Sakana.

Also, when are we going to actually vote instead of evicting? Because I might not be around when the day ends tomorrow so I might have to make my vote tonight or something.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #307 on:** March 25, 2010, 10:06:46 PM »

Also, evictcount:
Pesco (2): Roukanken, Sakana
Zakeri (2): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Sakana
Roukanken (0): Bardiche
Jam (3): Sodium, Kefit, Bardiche
Sakana (1): huh what

Is Zakeri's list supposed to be a vote for Pesco, or just pointing him out as suspicious?

Edible · « **Reply #308 on:** March 25, 2010, 11:03:56 PM »

All we need are two actual votes (to get around Bard's) to lynch. We're fine on that front unless something ridiculous occurs.

Thoroughly unimpressed with pesco's responses thus far. Consider him evicted by me.

Okay with Jam lynch. Sort of okay with Zak lynch - biggest thing with him is an alignment flip to see who lands where. Not okay with Sakana lynch today or anyone else.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #309 on:** March 25, 2010, 11:09:12 PM »

Bard: I was not declaring everyone as suspicious. If you really want me to say something that'll hold me to opinions, my suspicions at the start of the day were Zak and Pesco, with a mild thing on Edible following yesterday and a strong link between Pesco and Sakana. Jam only really came to my attention earlier today, and I'd still prefer a Pesco lynch there.

Quote from: Bard

Rou: You really need to stop this entire "coincidental" and "CONVENIENTLY" accusations. You've done this before, you're doing it again, it doesn't look good honestly it's just accusing someone of acting in a very deliberate and precise manner and I honestly can't imagine scum going for such a delicate setup.

I don't understand this point. Is it a case of wording? Because two people attacking the same person at the same time with bad cases just when they were about to be declared King - especially now that Kilga is confirmed Townie - is too well-timed for my liking. If this is a semantics/logic thing please explain it to me because no-one's ever pointed it out before >_>

HW: I suppose it comes down to which of the two you find more suspicious, since finding scum > finding information. One being scum probably makes the other look much worse, though; a town flip is a nulltell for the survivor.

Meanwhile, Jam and Sakana excusing themselves from contributing along the lines of being 'useless' is just plain apathetic. Sakana's lack of explanation in the Pesco vote could well be last-minute bussing, but it looks earnest enough that I'd like to make sure it's a bus at all first.

Good point on when to start voting. I'll definitely be around before deadline, so I'll hold off my vote for now. Still preferring Pesco ahead of Jam/Zak, and don't want to lynch Sakana before Pesco.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #310 on:** March 26, 2010, 12:20:24 AM »

Yeah, I know my analysis on 280 was stupid, but it didn't feel right leaving out analysis from my posts just to protect myself. It's still a major point of anti-scumhunting.

Huh what: No, I don't have any real reason to vote for Rou. Otherwise, I would have said what they were by now.

Jam: You mention "Waiting for me" in passing in your quote at a time where everyone was "Waiting for me." At best, that's cheerleading.

I forgot to mention last post that Jam and Pesco are pretty much interchangeable for me. Pesco just barely edges out since his lynch is a lynch towards information.

Sodium · « **Reply #311 on:** March 26, 2010, 04:15:05 AM »

Was doing HMWK.
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Pesco: Generally, people will post whatever case no matter how unlikely and try to get their cases noticed. See Zakeri@Day 1.
Also, I lol'd at

Quote from: Pesco

compared to everyone else's fluff.

Sakana: Generally, people care about cases that are directed at themselves. Pesco means anyone else.

HW: Just wondering, why evict Sakana to help determine Pesco's alignment over evicting Pesco to help determine Sakana's alignment?

Jam is still my prefered lynch. Seems more likely that a Pesco lynch will happen instead. Fine with that as it'll at least give some info. Don't think a Zakeri lynch is the right one for today.

Not voting yet because I'll be here around 7am EST, so about 6 hours before deadline.

Dead Princess Sakana · « **Reply #312 on:** March 26, 2010, 05:53:01 AM »

Quote from: huh what on March 25, 2010, 10:03:01 PM

His evict towards Pesco confuses me since he didn't explain it beyond "I think it's neccessary", so it just kinda seems like OMGUS. Aside from that, his constant cluelessness hasn't made him look very good, and now that Pesco pointed out that he plays mafia irl he doesn't really have "THE NEWBIE EXCUSE" either (and I'm feeling kind of stupid that I missed this point when I made my last post).

Evictions, committed intentions, pressure, etc. Just using what my dear seniors here have taught me before. And the fact that Pesco stiull hasn't posted about that doesn't make me want to retract this evict at all.

And about me playing Mafia irl, you could have known that a whole lot earlier, as I mentioned it by myself before, and it wasn't even subtle iirc.
If you think that makes me a master player or something, I have to disappoint you. Real life mafia works a lot different than online, strategies from one barely apply to the other.
Prioritizing me over Pesco is an interesting choice, care to explain your logic behind it?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #313 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:26:13 AM »

Was kind of hoping Pesco would show up and give his case on you but whatever it doesn't look like that'll happen. But aside from that, you were on the Nietz wagon, which I am curious about (hence wanting to know Zakeri's flip as well), so you'd give information in regards to Zakeri as well as Pesco, while I don't think as much would come out of a Pesco lynch. But maybe I'm wrong, hurrr.

##Vote Zakeri since I probably won't be online for the remainder of D2
Would probably be more informative than Sakana or Pesco either way imo (esp. on the Nietz wagon), and appears to be more scummy than Pesco. Doesn't seem like a Sakana lynch will happen so I'm not going to bother when Pesco seems to be the main choice. Still not sure about Jam.

I'll go over this some more tomorrow if I can get on before the day ends I guess.

Pesco · « **Reply #314 on:** March 26, 2010, 07:05:58 AM »

Life and something that rhymes with it has taken much of my time. Having no access to the campus labs forces me to phonepost at this time of my day. I should be able to post from a PC in 5 hours.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #315 on:** March 26, 2010, 11:59:34 AM »

And as it turns out, RL is going to pull me away for the rest of the day. Gonna just stick with my guns.

##Vote: Pesco

Sodium · « **Reply #316 on:** March 26, 2010, 12:04:41 PM »

Likely going to be my last post before the day ends.

##Vote Jam

Pesco · « **Reply #317 on:** March 26, 2010, 01:13:02 PM »

Quote from: Roukanken on March 25, 2010, 10:36:29 AM

These don't count?

They don't because one was you repeating what I had just said, which you point out yourself and the other link has no followup from you.

Quote from: Roukanken on March 25, 2010, 10:55:45 AM

Not giving your opinion out of fear that Town will ignore you? That's both anti-Town and anti-Pesco.

Considering the little time left of the day, it'd be even more anti-town to start a new wagon. My gut read wasn't all in on him so I'd need to observe him more.

You are also quite aware that I know my meta, so using that to guage me is weak. You'd need to have something more subtle like that time where UK called Serp by the full name instead of Serpy. That is a definitive tell, something that seems unlike me is not.

Onto Sakana:
I pressed Sakana at first for hanging back from active scumhunting. Rou plays the first newb card for Sakana here.

Here Sakana Unevicts Edible when he has said he'd only remove his Evict after getting answers. Between the two, I don't see where Edible could have convinced Sakana of anything big and called the Unevict.

According to HW's count, Zak and Edible were tied. Sakana's Evict edged Edible a little higher. But as mentioned above, he never really put any heart into wanting to lynch Edible. By the reasoning, he could be buddy to Edible. Or by the evict timing, he could be buddy to Zak. Then there's this with him not intending to lynch either of them now.

His final stance for the day was to lynch Nietz. The motivation given in the post is that he's going with the flow, "I don't fully get it but it's the best one, so yeah".

Day 2 from #255 up to his Evict, pretty much all defensive with no direction until I called him to show a stance. His Zak Evict seems pretty spineless again. This is a grammatical point though, I used are in my question instead of is. If I was referring to a singular scum out of Edible and Zak, I would have used is. Using are meant a plural. English is not Sakana's first language and first language English speakers also make this mistake. Letting him call for a single scum only, he picks Zak with the reason of "he offered".

Coming to where we are. I'm not quite seeing where Sakana has suddenly been fine with letting Zak go. HW called his evict on me OMGUS, perhaps expecting me to be able to post this much on him?

The voting spread is going to be too thin for me to seriously vote Sakana. Bard's vote is dead, we've only got 9 to use where 6 is needed for a proper lynch. Rou being as stubborn as ever reduced our votes to 8. I don't see us getting the full 6 votes in this state. Lynching Zak gives info on Jam and I believe the buddy link I've mentioned here between Zak and Sakana can also be tested.

##Vote Zak

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #318 on:** March 26, 2010, 02:22:05 PM »

Spoiler:

Edible · « **Reply #319 on:** March 26, 2010, 04:36:19 PM »

Sleep deprivation means Edible wakes up five hours later than usual.

I'll wait to see if anyone else manages to get online before 3, at which point I'll drop a vote for Pesco. I'd rather avoid a tie, though.

Jam-Kiske · « **Reply #320 on:** March 26, 2010, 05:44:06 PM »

Thanks for the info on Sakana Pesco.
However, as you mentioned, it's too late to start a case on him today given the already split up votes.

I should still be around for the remainder of the day... so I think I'll wait a bit before making my vote.
I'm still leaning towards Zakeri because of his starting up the Nietz wagon yesterday and managing to get all attention off of himself and onto Nietz so quickly.
There's also a lot more info that could be gotten from Zak's lynch whether it be on Pesco, Sakana, or even on myself for you guys.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #321 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:22:17 PM »

Spoiler:

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #322 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:26:22 PM »

I still think Pesco would be the best choice, but I can't really argue his reasoning except to say that it's a dead end.
##Vote: Pesco

We have an hour left and no unvotes possible, so I'm going to roleclaim now. I am Sasaki, Town doubler. What a doubler does is for every day I select one person, and if they person has a role, they get to target two people with it. This doesn't affect killing roles, or the scum hit.

A weird little side dish to my role is that I had to select all of my actions during the pre-game, given in a list from day one to day ten. Normally this would suck, expect for that fact that my actions will occur whether I'm dead or not. I can still be roleblocked, and I actually was for day 2

May actions so far were:
1. Roukanken
~~2. Kefit~~ Roleblocked.

I don't know if the roleblocker is scum or town (And if town, don't claim.) so I'm not going to post the rest of the list unless we decide I'm the one going under. If I do post the list and am still alive, this will give scum the chance to prevent town roles from being empowered while letting potential scum roles wreck havoc.

Edible · « **Reply #323 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:34:34 PM »

Quote from: Zakeri on March 26, 2010, 06:26:22 PM

A weird little side dish to my role is that I had to select all of my actions during the pre-game, given in a list from day one to day ten.

That reasoning strikes very close to home.

I'm now comfortable enough to ##vote Pesco

Bardiche · « **Reply #324 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:50:40 PM »

Uh.

How does that work? Your next action is Kefit and that's roleblocked? That... doesn't make a terrible lot of sense, clarify please?

Don't have much time, guests are over. I'll try to get in an analysis of the two cases and state my support of which one I'd like...

... wait half an hour?

uh

I can't promise anything but I'll try to read as fast as I can while the guests are distracted. lol

If I disappear it means they noticed me!!

Offhand I'd probably support Zakeri over Pesco but this may change since I haven't really fine-combed Pesco. Just didn't get a wrong impression from him where Zakeri has had some of those moments (Day1 start is :psyduck: so forgiven, sorta) where I frowned and reached for a monocle.

Edible · « **Reply #325 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:53:02 PM »

He didn't say his role took place at night. Like my role, it takes effect during the day.

Bardiche · « **Reply #326 on:** March 26, 2010, 06:59:43 PM »

Oh, I see. That was a misunderstanding on my behalf.

Reread it all quickly getting it out before hammer, not entirely fine-combed but I'm much more comfortable with Zakeri lynch than Pesco lynch. Zakeri gets points for the Edible Rolefish charge but yeah, I somehow like Pesco more than him, can't substantiate it too much at this point but I may be able to do so later.

It's crappy and I'm sorry for being useless this day, didn't expect this amount of bonding to occur. I'll hopefully be 100% available after sunday, but no promises.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #327 on:** March 26, 2010, 07:00:30 PM »

My role takes place during either the day or night, depending on when the target's role ability takes place.

I was blocked last night, which is why today's action didn't go through.

Bardiche · « **Reply #328 on:** March 26, 2010, 07:03:46 PM »

Ah, so roleblocking is night and day in this game? Or does your role specifically not act if you get blocked at night?

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #329 on:** March 26, 2010, 07:05:30 PM »

Edit: Well, I wasn't "blocked" until this morning, but whatever action was used to block me probably occurred last night and didn't take effect until dawn due to how my role works.

Also, voting's over as of my last post. Pesco's lynched with three votes, and me trailing by one. This is sort of disappointing.