Author Topic: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY FIVE!  (Read 43747 times)

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #270 on: March 24, 2010, 10:28:04 PM »
We could always just hammer the person who the majority had evicted near the end of the day since we're still using evicts and all. Might not be the best solution though.

I would still really like to hear answers from Zakeri. His "I exist" post explains nothing.

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #271 on: March 24, 2010, 10:30:39 PM »
Uh, on second thought, how could we even get a nolynch? Since Bard already voted it's pretty much impossible at this point unless we vote for one.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #272 on: March 24, 2010, 10:32:21 PM »
It'll be a question of 'when do we draw the line and decide on a lynch'? If we do it too early we'll cut discussion short; too late and there won't be enough people around to bring about a lynch.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #273 on: March 24, 2010, 10:33:18 PM »
I'm busy and probably won't be able to post until tomorrow. Just letting you know.

No, my vote was an accident. I'm terribly sorry, I wasn't thinking straight, my mind thought vote and so I wrote vote but I meant to evict.



UK: Please, even as the mod, no personal attacks. I'm not too familiar with "bastard modding" but if it means snarky comments every now and again, please try to at least keep them civil. If Rou said something inaccurate someone will point it out from the players.

Spoiler:
You're right, that was far too rude honestly. I apologize for that, Rou. At any rate, the point I'm making is that if you read rule...5 I think, you'll see no lynch is impossible unless you vote for it
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 12:11:50 AM by UncertainKitten »

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #274 on: March 24, 2010, 10:34:49 PM »
EBWOP:
Spoiler:
Reading comprehension is CLEARLY not your speciality. I advise you reread the rules and get back to me.
Can't unvote until further notice = You'd better be damn sure of your suspect before you lay down a vote. Where am I failing reading comprehension?

Or not given the Bard ninja. I'm willing to buy that it was a mistake, because I don't see how scum benefits from it first of all.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #275 on: March 24, 2010, 10:37:44 PM »
Uh, on second thought, how could we even get a nolynch? Since Bard already voted it's pretty much impossible at this point unless we vote for one.

I think that's why UK said Rou sucks at reading. How did he even get Librarian for being so incompetent? :V

Of the people making 'I exist' posts, Kefit's is most townie and I'm feeling good about giving him the clear for now.

Sodium needs to exist more and so does Donut and Bard. Apathy is what let's scum steamroll the game every time. So get off your bums!

Cut: I don't care about what you've said. Let me post damnit!

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #276 on: March 24, 2010, 10:38:52 PM »
Or not given the Bard ninja. I'm willing to buy that it was a mistake, because I don't see how scum benefits from it first of all.
This is a bit of a stretch, but scum could change their stance on whoever they permavoted if things look bad but still potentially get said target lynched because of the vote. It wouldn't work very well, though.

@ Pesco: ...Donut isn't in this game, is he?

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #277 on: March 24, 2010, 10:42:24 PM »
I think that's why UK said Rou sucks at reading. How did he even get Librarian for being so incompetent? :V
Still not seeing why 'people arguing over lynches with no clear leader' isn't a problem here. Yesterday we had Edible leading, and after he got away with his claim the Nietz wagon was next up. We aren't even getting many Evict votes today, so it might be hard to get a majority vote at this rate.

And can I ask that you stop copying the GM in mocking me? :<

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #278 on: March 24, 2010, 10:43:32 PM »
OH GOD DONUT IS IN THE GAME AND HASN'T POSTED YET OBVSCUM ;_;

Anyway, home from work.  I've been rereading here and there when I've had time, will provide insight before I hit the sack tonight.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #279 on: March 24, 2010, 10:56:36 PM »
@ Pesco: ...Donut isn't in this game, is he?

This is Donut.

Took me long enough to find it.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #280 on: March 24, 2010, 11:42:18 PM »
Reading between classes, but since I was about to leave and got to this, I'll address it.
Cases and stuff will come after I'm back in like 2 and a half hours, and I finish reading.

##Evict Jam

Tunnels on Edible for all of Day 1.

Unevicts Edible after he claims to be able to be able to prove his role(which was true, but she didn't know that at the time, but the initial claim had little to no proof). Jam's reaction seemed like she knew it was "true"(in the sense that Edible=Town) which only an informed minority(scum) would know, and quickly jumped off the wagon. Other reason she said for unevicting was because she wouldn't be here at the end of the day, which wouldn't be that bad in conjunction with Edible claiming to say proof later but...

Does not put her evict onto anything else after her unevict of Edible, and does not vote for a king, which makes no sense because it's would've been better to have something down if you're not going to be able to post at the deadline, whether it was an evict, or a vote for someone to be king. This is bad because she does not pitch in her opinion on who she wants to lynch.
I pretty much just stuck to Edible because he seemed the most shady next to Zak, who wasn't giving me anything else to look at by not posting.

I don't see how you think me unevicting implies I knew that Edible was town.
It was basically just to prevent his number of evicts from getting "too" high [in the case just a majority I suppose since they aren't official votes] so that we could hear out his proof. [or rather you guys could since I wasn't around]

It was kind of silly for me to not evict someone else after that, but my second choice was surely Zak who was also close to having a vast majority so I figured it'd be best to just not have a vote in at all so as not to mess with whatever new information was bound to come in. [I also didn't expect to be gone for 3 whole days... I thought it would be 1, sorry]

As far as voting for a King goes, I actually had intended to vote for Kilga. I changed my mind when I saw that he was at L-2 for King if I voted and as we hadn't chosen someone to lynch for sure [Edible seemed to be the choice, but his claim changed all this] I thought I shouldn't bring someone so close to King as they could just make assumptions or lynch without waiting for the rest of the players to come to a consensus.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #281 on: March 25, 2010, 12:16:30 AM »
Spoiler:
The Tenth "Koi No Mikuru Densetsu" Vote Count

"M-M-MIKURU BIIIIIIIIIIIMU!"

1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (1): Bardiche
12. Zakeri (0)



Not Voting ⑨: Jam, huh what, Pesco, Zakeri, MSB, Roukanken, Edible, Sakana, Kefit


With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in ~43 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 03:38:41 AM by UncertainKitten »


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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #282 on: March 25, 2010, 01:24:42 AM »
Pesco: Sorry for doing homework first. =V

Donut's obvscum; he hasn't requested a replacement.
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Jam: There's a difference between sticking onto someone, and tunneling. You said almost nothing that wasn't related to Edible or the case on Edible. I also saw no mentions of Zakeri suspicion in any of your posts.
Evict votes don't have any actual power over when the day ends. Also, Edible's name claim had about no backing at all, yet you still unevicted. It's the fact that you unevicted over something so vague, yet you were focusing completely on said person, that makes me think you're scum. You dropped all your pressure on Edible much too easily for someone who talked about Edible the whole day. The last point was just you being horribly anti-town, which I felt was worth mentioning.

Pesco: Above
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Zakeri needs to post. Day 1 case still applies.

Sakana has said a lot of questionable stuff, but I don't see scummy intent in what he says. More clueless than scummy.
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I'm busy tomorrow. Also, won't be here at deadline(school).

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #283 on: March 25, 2010, 01:29:07 AM »
Pesco: Above
what

Are you saying what applies to Jam applies to Pesco? Because I don't see it

I do kind of agree about Sakana seeming more clueless than scummy after his recent posts however.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #284 on: March 25, 2010, 02:36:04 AM »
Quote from: Pesco, 261
So why is Jam scummy?

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #285 on: March 25, 2010, 02:37:37 AM »
Oh. I'm dumb.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #286 on: March 25, 2010, 03:26:35 AM »
Spoiler:
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in ~43 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
But... aren't there only 10 alive? >>;

Spoiler:
The wonders of copy and paste
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 03:38:20 AM by UncertainKitten »

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #287 on: March 25, 2010, 04:14:59 AM »
^ Oh okay. I was fearing some crazy effect or something that would be strange but somehow not unexpected.

Anyway, I finished reading, yay?

I suppose I'll address Sodium first since his posts against me are right up there so it'll be neater.
I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
I'll be more straightforward in the future...


As far as today goes...

I don't really know what to make of Bard's accidental vote. It is possible that he did it on purpose, but Bard is generally a pretty defensive player and voting accidentally seems like something he'd do. >>

Kefit: The reason I haven't been active is because I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND. You of all people should get this.
If I appear in the thread for a bit, it's generally cuz I have a bit of time online that isn't being spent doing work, and I'm checking on things like vote count or just seeing how much I'll have to read when I have time...

Rou's posts seems sound to me. He's the one who has said the most which isn't really good or bad, but I don't really see any scumminess from him, much less reason for Bard to vote for him.

Sakana, you're not doing much for yourself. As someone who can't really pull arguments together on my own, I get how you feel... I'll still be keeping an eye on you though as the things you've messed up are many.

Yeah.
I'm going to have to evict Zak after all this.
Reasons don't really need to be restated.
Plus, he hasn't posted save for 9 hours ago saying he'd work on it.
Yes I know I'm the same, but I can change my evict if he posts something that compels me to do so.
Thus: Evict Zakeri

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #288 on: March 25, 2010, 04:20:52 AM »
Quote from: Jam
Kefit: The reason I haven't been active is because I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND. You of all people should get this.
If I appear in the thread for a bit, it's generally cuz I have a bit of time online that isn't being spent doing work, and I'm checking on things like vote count or just seeing how much I'll have to read when I have time...
I'm pretty sure the reason why people have been complaining about you up until now wasn't because of your inactivity, but because when you did post, it seemed to have little to no content beyond repeating what others have said.

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #289 on: March 25, 2010, 04:21:49 AM »
EBWOP for clarification: When I talk about your posts I mean the ones from D1, since my post probably sounded like I was talking about what you just posted.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #290 on: March 25, 2010, 05:05:21 AM »
Pesco reread:

Mindhax mindhax mindhax.  Why he's constantly bringing this up is beyond me.  The last one is the worst because "I have a theory, but I won't explain it!" is irritating and incredibly gotcha-inducing.

Meaningless wifom.

Very weak callout on Jam's... very weak voting record.

Not gonna bother linking all of them, but he spends a fair bit of time throwing dirt on Kilga late Day 1 after the switch.

Jam reread:
All of Jam's posts were essentially the same: meaningless, or coattailing some vote train somewhere.  The only point in Jam's favor is that scum hopefully wouldn't be this obvious about acting like an informed minority trying to look townie... and that ain't much of a point.

Postponing Zakeri reread for now; I'm familiar enough with his Day 1 material already.  Logic says movements are too unusual for town, gut and meta says movements are too unlike scumZak for him to be mafia.

Those three have the most dirt on them, though I'm also keeping my eye on Bard (lol Edible you're such a kidder).  For a newbie, Sakana's done little to draw my ire.  HW and Kefit have produced enough to get a pass from me today, and Rou and MSG are probably the towniest of the lot right now.

pesco and Jam are tied for eviction in my eyes.

Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #291 on: March 25, 2010, 06:59:30 AM »
Reread complete: Here's an Analysis in Mod presented Order:

All of Jam's posts worth looking at for day one are about how much Edible should be lynched. Especially Ironic was post 125, where Jam calls out Edible of Tunneling on Bard.

Post 280 scares me, since it implies I'm her scumpartner. She admits that most of her prods on edible were made because it was easy to poke him, and even easier to ignore me. Her excuse for not re-evicting was to prevent a misinformed wagonshifting, which I'm surprised no one has called out as preventing my lynch yet. I should be grateful but this is really making me paranoid.
The unevict happened after I first made my case on Neitz as well. Did you take that into consideration when you made your unevict back then?

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I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
This doesn't really work, since you never said anything directly about me until hopefully your next post after mine (Voting me for "Reasons that don't need to be restated" isn't anything direct either)

The jump from Edible to me today is just basic bandwagon hopping at it's finest.

Kefit: I'd like to Ask Pesco, MSB, and anyone else who is giving Kefit a pass for today why they're so comfortable just handing it out to him? He's only made two posts this game, as far as I can recall. I know I've given passes to people only posting once a phase, but bofh usually offers analysis on more than two people a day.

Pesco: Being unhelpful is sort of Pesco's defining character trait (which ironically is why Pesco is so unhelpful) So I give some lax on waiting for my response so eagerly, since he was only of several people who did the same.

From post 97 - 180, Pesco's attention turns to poking and prodding Sakana's poor decisions. People seem to be sidestepping this issue, since everyone is happy with playing the newbie card for Sakana, but we do realize all of the mistakes that were made, and Pesco seemed much more interesting in the "Teach but not punish" approach, which I don't think is something Pesco would follow so politely. Rou's point about the separate but equal(ly bad) cases on Kilga being suspicious is what really ties this together, though.

I think knowing Pesco's flip would give us quite a bit of insight into whether we should be pampering Sakana or not.

Edible: The last half of day one is just you digging a 2x6x6 ft hole in the ground. It's hard to forgive in 134 where you backpedal on your Opportunistic claim on me and Jam. You really should have taken that point and run with it, especially since it seems true for Jam. Your tag onto the Neitz wagon also pretty halfhearted, as when you do you say he was the "Worst person on your wagon" as you "Mentioned before". The only time I remember you mentioning it before was in this post where you actively discard it over your vote on Bard that you had "no reason to switch from"

The only notable thing I've seen from you on day 2 besides the post just above is the cheerleading on Pesco post you made after Rou's Omniopinion.

Since quantifying my desire for bloodspill prevents people from rapping on me for not taking responsibility for opinions I posted, and cases I made and pushed and am now trying to own up to, I'll go ahead and post a list in order from first to last in terms of vote options:

1. Pesco
2. Jam
3. Edible
4. Kefit
(Note: The reason Sakana is not on this list is because I'd rather go through Pesco first)

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #292 on: March 25, 2010, 07:29:43 AM »
I don't think I've been that soft on Sakana since I've not let him off for the newbie excuses. The common idea given by how many newbie passes he's gotten reads to me that it won't get me anywhere if I press it.

Kefit's Evict-Jam post is the probably the best post we've got the entire day. His content makes up for the absence compared to everyone else's fluff. At worst he is only lurker but by no means as bad lazy town as the others.

Jam's 280 is pretty bad as Zak is pointing out. Looking at 287
I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
I'll be more straightforward in the future...

...

I'm going to have to evict Zak after all this.
Reasons don't really need to be restated.
Plus, he hasn't posted save for 9 hours ago saying he'd work on it.
Yes I know I'm the same, but I can change my evict if he posts something that compels me to do so.
Thus: Evict Zakeri

Leaving it open-ended is not good enough and scummy-ambivalence. Saying that you're "going to have to" leaves room for backtrack which deserves more hate. Zak pointing out the buddying is blargharghWIFOM with a chacne of bussing. Fine with either of them hanging today.

Evictcount update:
Pesco (1): Roukanken
Zakeri (4): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Sakana
Roukanken (1): Bardiche
Jam (2): Sodium, Kefit

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #293 on: March 25, 2010, 07:36:03 AM »
I think knowing Pesco's flip would give us quite a bit of insight into whether we should be pampering Sakana or not.
While the consequences of a Pesco scum-flip would be horrible for me, I agree with Zak.
I have tied myself to Pesco far more than I would like. When he called, I jumped, and it pains me to say that I didn't even always realize that myself until after I did a reread of Pesco's posts and my reactions.
I passed it off as 'he wants me to try and play' first, but it has gotten umcomfortable. And from what you said, Zak, it doesn't seem to be his usual style. More opinions on this would be welcomed.

I'll try to look into the new case on Jam later.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #294 on: March 25, 2010, 09:38:18 AM »
Spoiler:
At any rate, the point I'm making is that if you read rule...5 I think, you'll see no lynch is impossible unless you vote for it
Gah. Apologies, I just remembered yesterday being ZOMG WE NEED A KING VOTED BEFORE DEADLINE and assumed it was the norm. :|

Spoiler:
Actually, I screwed up and crossed out parts I shouldn't have. I still would have made it so the king would be elected by most votes, not necessarily majority

So, the end result of Jam's reread is basically 'I meant to do useful stuff yesterday, Edible was the most suspicious person besides Zak (who, y'know, I didn't bother voting afterwards) and now I'll just jump on the Zak wagon'? Not very impressive, in all honesty.

Quote from: Zak
Post 280 scares me, since it implies I'm her scumpartner.
Why would you mention this? Ever? At best it's WIFOM, at worst it's just plain pointless.

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Kefit: I'd like to Ask Pesco, MSB, and anyone else who is giving Kefit a pass for today why they're so comfortable just handing it out to him? He's only made two posts this game, as far as I can recall. I know I've given passes to people only posting once a phase, but bofh usually offers analysis on more than two people a day.
Claiming RL reasons for the lurking, no objections with his actual content, no reason to spend time risking a mislynch when there's nothing to really suggest he's scum?

Zak's cases seem more or less sensible. Results probably speak louder than words here, though, given that yesterday's case on Nietz seemed solid as well. It's enough to knock him back a little in my suspicions though.

Quote from: Pesco
I don't think I've been that soft on Sakana since I've not let him off for the newbie excuses.
Yes, a second imaginary vote on top of the Evict system isn't 'letting him off'. And I've already covered the strangely coincidental timing of your two cases on Kilga.

Sakana's 'I think we should lynch Pesco even if it screws me over' doesn't feel quite right to me. He doesn't give any reasoning other than that his coaching has become 'uncomfortable'. Smells slightly of last-minute bussing to try and salvage some Town cred.

Holding where I am for now, with my preferences being Pesco > Jam = Zak (if Pesco is Town, the points against Sakana are mostly moot). Edible has posted all of once usefully, but at least now he seems to be playing seriously.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 05:28:39 PM by UncertainKitten »

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #295 on: March 25, 2010, 09:51:17 AM »
You guys have simply said 'Sakana is newb, leave him for later' while I've pressed him for his mistakes. Never had I said that he's free to screw up because he is newb. In fact I know he isn't so inexperienced because I was aware of him playing mafia IRL and participated in his topic about making a mafia forum in German.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #296 on: March 25, 2010, 10:36:29 AM »
You guys have simply said 'Sakana is newb, leave him for later'
These don't count?

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while I've pressed him for his mistakes
Conveniently just enough to not have to vote for him.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #297 on: March 25, 2010, 10:51:42 AM »
As I already said. The general feeling to him is that he's newb and gets a pass. If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #298 on: March 25, 2010, 10:55:45 AM »
As I already said. The general feeling to him is that he's newb and gets a pass. If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.
Not giving your opinion out of fear that Town will ignore you? That's both anti-Town and anti-Pesco.

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Re: Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY TWO! READ THE NEW RULE!
« Reply #299 on: March 25, 2010, 03:07:32 PM »
If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.
I'd listen. It seems you assume that what I did were not mistakes, as most of the others see it, but at least somehow planned actions, right? And you seemingly have a way to show how they can be seen as scummy.
Then what's holding you back?