Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)

[LHCling]

UFO does give out the most lives potentially. Potentially. ReimuA's forward can break those UFOs much easier than say, ReimuB. Let's assume the case of ReimuB for a moment to see how much of a kick in the balls it is compared with our "cookie cutter".

ReimuB, "PSM" assuming no safespot shenanigans is basically an auto-kill. Then, there are certain UFOs that can't be destroyed with ReimuB, but they can with ReimuA, which leaves you with... 12? All of a sudden, you have something like SA. And this doesn't even start to count on how difficult Byakuren is with ReimuB as opposed to ReimuA.
LLS is indeed possible (see: me). There is one forced death, but other than that, nothing else really stops you... save for another possible one on Yuka's opening (or 2 or 3 if you don't know how to take it on) and another one for the final attack (granted, it's possible but ridiculous). Also, Stage5!Yuka's final. Cutting down, you really only have 8 mistakes to play with (or was it 7?).

(and those 6 deaths on stage 3 were completely avoidable)

Excuses excuses; didn't you see that replay where the guy left Stage 3 with 1 life and made it to Stage 6 with 8? A mistake is just a mistake no matter how you look at it (wait, this sounds familiar).

I'd probably pick up that No Focus again, but my timetable is all sorts of messed.

Nice job, Jaimers. I tried for that a bit a while ago, but it turns out that UFO disagrees with me just as strongly now as it did back when it first released (which is a nice way of saying that I rage quit after playing stage two a bunch).

:3c (huh, :3 and :3c are the same thing; makes sense I guess)

Not that you should let this detract from your accomplishment. If nothing else, you can be pretty sure I'll never do this :p

Oh, and of course this.

Also, if you want to comb through royalflare for No Bomb replays do a search for "ノーボム". No Death replays are No Miss (as per shmup convention), marked with "ノーミス".

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

What forces a death in LLS?

I can't think of anything that actually would force a death for sure.

Yes, Yuka's final attacks are hard enough that you'll probably die, but that's not forced. Stage 4 midboss would probably kill you, but that's not forced either.

[LHCling]

What forces a death in LLS?

Stage 5 Pre-Boss.

Yes, Yuka's final attacks are hard enough that you'll probably die, but that's not forced. Stage 4 midboss would probably kill you, but that's not forced either.

Statistically speaking, I could easily make the prediction that you'll die to each one; the fact that it took me 1 hour per attack to successfully survive them via savescumming should be evidence enough. I've found a roundabout method of dealing with the Stage 4 mid-bosses, so I didn't take that into consideration. Well, if you die to one you probably won't die to the other (hint hint).

In this sense, they're forced deaths in practice because seriously, what are the chances that you'll survive such attacks?

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Can't stage 5 preboss theoretically be dodged though?

Not that I would be able to. I always bomb that when I'm playing.

[LHCling]

Can't stage 5 preboss theoretically be dodged though?

Everything can be theoretically dodged, see PoFV; LLS Rank system says hi by the way. For a comparison, imagine the perfect cross between Flan's final and Nue's final both on the "timeout" phases; something that's frequently occurring as the former and as fast as the latter. The last 1-2 second is beyond this.

Spoiler:

For the record, I gave up trying to pass it after 2 hours of savescumming. This is also why LLS Stage 5 NDNB never came about

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[Kefit]

Just because something can be theoretically passed doesn't mean that it's not something that would be considered a forced death for no bomb purposes. For instance, I categorize the EoSD stage four books and the start of PCB stage six as forced deaths despite the fact that I do survive them every now and then.

[Reddyne]

Another UFO 1cc (ReimuB).
Another MoF extra stage clear, although rather messily once again (Also ReimuB, now with more needles).

And I captured nearly all of Shou's cards, including that psychotic double green chase-me laser one, which is the first time I've captured it. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW, TIGER?!

[theshirn]

I'll take the Books any day over the LLS S5 rings of doom.

[Jaimers]

UFO does give out the most lives potentially. Potentially. ReimuA's forward can break those UFOs much easier than say, ReimuB. Let's assume the case of ReimuB for a moment to see how much of a kick in the balls it is compared with our "cookie cutter".

ReimuB, "PSM" assuming no safespot shenanigans is basically an auto-kill. Then, there are certain UFOs that can't be destroyed with ReimuB, but they can with ReimuA, which leaves you with... 12? All of a sudden, you have something like SA. And this doesn't even start to count on how difficult Byakuren is with ReimuB as opposed to ReimuA.

Excuses excuses; didn't you see that replay where the guy left Stage 3 with 1 life and made it to Stage 6 with 8? A mistake is just a mistake no matter how you look at it (wait, this sounds familiar).

Actually, that guy even had 16 total lives over my 14. With ReimuB no less.
ReimuB might not kill UFO's as fast as ReimuA, but she sure as hell can chain easier.

[8lue Wizard]

MoF extra clear! That brings my total to 3!

[Formless God]

My Touhou chennel has reached 100 subscribers \o/ Well yeah, I consider this a Touhou accomplishment too :ohdear:

[Zengeku]

Timed out all of Alice's spells on Lunatic mode: Benevolent Orl?ans Dolls, Chalk-White Russian Dolls, Spring Kyoto Dolls and Hanged Hourai Dolls and compiled a video of them.

You can watch it here.
All of Alice Margatroids spells timed out on Lunatic

My Touhou chennel has reached 100 subscribers \o/ Well yeah, I consider this a Touhou accomplishment too :ohdear:

Aww, i only have 40. And my stuff is superior even. *Gets shot*

[nintendonut888]

I have 52. That's 52 more than I expected.

Anyway, randomly played phantasm. Utterly unnotable run, except that I captured BoLaD without safespotting. So fun. <3

[LHCling]

but she sure as hell can chain easier.

All up, if you count the most optimal results (har), I'd say that they both Shot Types potentially have the same resources gathered, with a minor difference for the end result (I'm taking 2-3 fragments here). However, in a practical situation, that might be a 1 life difference and only that. In other words, I should've only seen a 1 life difference between the two replays. However, there was a sparking difference of 2 between the two. Why? Because you took more defensive measures and made (some) very silly mistakes. Here's a full list with no distinguishing markers between defensiveness and derp:

• End of Stage 1; UFO "aborted" (I'll use this term for akin to killing off a baby; don't hurt me for my dark humor plz  :V); -1 fragment
• End of Stage 2; UFO not summoned; -2 fragments (yes it's very possible even in that current situation); but for the sake of leniency (I've seen it happen) I'll say -1 fragment in case the UFO gets covered too much and / or you drop a fragment
• End of Stage 3; uhh... -2 fragments at least and 3 at max
• Stage 4; multi-color UFO aborted, thus denying an additional UFO; potentially -2 fragments here but I'll say -1 because getting -2 requires some pretty good timing
• Stage 4; 2nd-orb spam you chose to stream rather than jump straight into the pattern for a UFO; -2 fragments.
• Stage 5; missed the UFO before Nazzy; -1 fragment
• End of Stage 5; missed another UFO; -1 fragment
• Stage 6 you technically missed a fragment, but I'll let that one slide because it's actually quite difficult to to perform this feat

This totals 9 fragments at minimum.
For jad; his run constitutes losing about 5-6 fragments assuming full optimal play and 2-4 assuming a few defensive measures if memory serves.

To conclude, no I don't see how ReimuB is chaining things easily; the same amount of "effort" put in would've only really netted +1 life above ReimuA.

Just because something can be theoretically passed doesn't mean that it's not something that would be considered a forced death for no bomb purposes. For instance, I categorize the EoSD stage four books and the start of PCB stage six as forced deaths despite the fact that I do survive them every now and then.

Am I missing something or are the two sentences contradicting each other? The second sentence is something that I'm agreeing with here, but the first one is either saying the contrary, or I'm just lacking sleep at this point (no sleep for 36 hours and rising) and I'm confusing the crap out of my own brain.

I have 52. That's 52 more than I expected.

ihu  >:|

[Jaimers]

To conclude, no I don't see how ReimuB is chaining things easily; the same amount of "effort" put in would've only really netted +1 life above ReimuA.

Yes, but how about ReimuB's bomb, hmm?  :smug:
Yes, this is completely irrelevent to the topic at hand.

Anyway, Pacifist Mokou.

Now only Suwako remains, but that won't be a whole lot of fun.
Her first 2 cards last over 99 seconds alone and that is going to be really boring! >_<

[Zengeku]

Hisoutensoku Normal 1cc with Sanae. Not too bad considering that i suck at fighting games. The game is pretty fun though so maybe this is my chance to get better. 

[The Greatest Dog]

UFO Extra Clear!...
With all the freaking shot types.

In order of clearing:
Marisa B, because of the spread and can get high shotgun damage without being two pixels in front of an enemy.
Reimu B... It helps in Undefined Darkness? Oh, and her bomb can still damage Nue by a bit.
Sanae A, because... The bomb clears the whole screen, which is nice.
Reimu A, because it's forward focus
Sanae B, because I didn't want to laze out by making it my first choice.
Marisa A, because everything she can do Reimu A can do better ('cept for chain UFOs.)

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

PCB Extra 1DNB1BB

I am so going for the perfect as the death was completely lame, and the only hard parts are Charming Siege, Unilateral Contact, the Survival, and Descent of Izuna Gongen.

[Kefit]

I think you're just confused, Baity. Though my use of a double negative probably doesn't help matters any.

[Serela]

UFO Extra Clear!...
With all the freaking shot types.

In order of clearing:
Marisa B, because of the spread and can get high shotgun damage without being two pixels in front of an enemy.
Reimu B... It helps in Undefined Darkness? Oh, and her bomb can still damage Nue by a bit.
Sanae A, because... The bomb clears the whole screen, which is nice.
Reimu A, because it's forward focus
Sanae B, because I didn't want to laze out by making it my first choice.
Marisa A, because everything she can do Reimu A can do better ('cept for chain UFOs.)

This is... kind of backwards, actually :V

MarisaB's spread does such pathetic damage it's hardly even good for popcorn fairies, and when SHOTGUNNING, you do as much as a forward focus type. Anything less then shotgun is only homing-shot damage. Not even kidding. This shot type should have been done more like PatchWater in SA so the damage would balance more.

And then MarisaA is probably the best for Extra (or SanaeB) since she does almost the exact same damage as ReimuA, plus her piercing actually helps a good bit on UFOs, making Nue's UFO cards a nice bit easier. The first game where piercing actually DOES something.

I think I did UFO Extra all-clear the the exact same order as that except backwards and switch ReimuB/SanaeA, and SanaeB/MarisaA.

[theshirn]

Mokou's Rings of Death capture!

Also worth watching for the silliest capture of Possessed by Phoenix yet.  Everything else about this run is utter garbage (all right, I did get Hourai Doll).

[The Greatest Dog]

And then MarisaA is probably the best for Extra (or SanaeB) since she does almost the exact same damage as ReimuA, plus her piercing actually helps a good bit on UFOs, making Nue's UFO cards a nice bit easier. The first game where piercing actually DOES something.

According to the shot type analysis, Marisa A does 153 DPS while Reimu A does 172. :/

And, well, Sanae's six frogs at Focused 4.00 power make up a whopping 125 DPS without the base (and with splash) which explains how she does so well at the UFO cards.

Oh, and during Nue's harder cards (Blue UFOs sometime, Undefined Darkness, Rainbow UFOs) , there's going to be at least something at midrange for you to get some shotgunning in.
Not that I'm trying to justify using Marisa B, since she sucks in almost every way... But she's definitely geared for use more on the lower difficulties where you can get up to the boss...
Marisa B at 1.xx power is stronger than Reimu B at 4.00 power.

[チソウ タイゼン]

I captured Border of Death, Green UFO Invasion, Rainbow UFO Invasion, Icicle Fall (HA), that freaking Prismriver triangle attack, Reisen (?) U Inaba's shifting suppository attack, all of the Jeweled Pagoda cards, I've captured all 3 of Sub Boss Kanako's spells, and one of Suwako's (damn those iron rings!!), I've captured all of Nazrin's, Kogasa's, Ichirin's, and Shou's spells in one form or another, as well as most of Minamitsu's and Hijiri's. Speaking of, I defeated Byakuren without dying or bombing

[jc_foster]

Had to watch the replay to make sure I actually did it, but after some 15 or so 1DNB attempts, I finally captured Mountain of Faith Normal!

That just leaves Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual

Spoiler:

, and Kanako can keep that junk for all I care

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[J.O.B]

I just owned yukari taking the place of number 2 on my list of extra bosses I have beaten.
Second to Ran.

[Zengeku]

Had a decent Shou run. 3DNB. It was just stupid deaths at non-spell 1 and 3 and RTG.

EDIT:

Oh and 1DNB Orin. Died at Ghost Wheels. Messed up because i played without sound so i couldn't listen to the spawning of ghost wheels.

[LHCling]

8-4 just jumped in my books for being moderately difficult to score well in.

Here, have an uncensored 8-2 as well. 5 minute work.

I think you're just confused, Baity. Though my use of a double negative probably doesn't help matters any.

_{I thought I was seeing triple negatives...}

[Zengeku]

I think i'm becoming consistent at Vajra of Perfect Buddhism L. Nice :]

Just too bad that i seem to have lost my skills at Radiant Treasure Gun. Not so nice.

[Naut]

I think i'm becoming consistent at Vajra of Perfect Buddhism L. Nice :]

Just too bad that i seem to have lost my skills at Radiant Treasure Gun. Not so nice.

This seems to be a trend with the Shou fight for everybody on lunatic.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Pacifist Ran

Now if only I could stop messing up perfect run attempts.