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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #810 on: April 18, 2010, 03:02:47 AM »
Captured Mokou's flaming Phoenix (After a few tries)

However, that alone isn't impressive. The impressive thing is how I actually did it. Yukari's hitbox is so LOL

This will probably make you laugh:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8349

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #811 on: April 18, 2010, 05:30:15 AM »
Double Posting OH NOES

Here's a list on Extra Spell Cards and how I did them:

Ihakasa's Moon Curse: 5/37
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8357

Avoid hugging the bottom. The most difficult part of this card is misdirecting the red knives, as they have weird hitboxes.
Dodge the first wave of green bullets and go up from your starting point. Rush to the right and go upward, while dodging two waves of blue knives. If you did it correctly, now you should have a gap to run through the red knives. Rush down and quickly go to the left to misdirect the red knives again. Dodge two waves of green bullets and blue knives. Now return to your starting point while staying upward as slowly as possible. By the time you're going to the right, you will have captured the card.

I don't like this one, it's very difficult for an opening card.

Flaw of Forgiving Shrine: 10/30
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8358

NO VERTICAL. You don't need it. Basically cut through every wave of amulets that fly downward and upward. Blue amulets always come down and come back up, so you have to cut through it twice. The trick is not moving so much.

Xu Fu's Dimension: 7/18
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8359

The hitboxes of the amulets are ridiculously tiny. Mokou forms a manji symbol and sends blue amulets going downward. Red amulets always go upward. You don't need vertical movement for this one either. Dodge two waves and make a dash towards the direction you're going. This is to create a gap between the bullets Mokou aims at you. Then go through the gap and repeat. It's pretty easy, and you can hug the bottom if you want.

Honest Man's Death: 10/50
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8360

You can't dodge the laser duuurrrrr (Unless you do it the other way, which looks pretty cool btw)
I spent a bunch of tries trying to dodge the damn thing.

From your starting point, move either left or right. When you hear the laser sound, make sure to move quickly. You only need a small nudge in the direction against the laser. Doing this will allow you to move through the laser, since the laser actually doesn't activate until it crosses the point where you were before. Survive four waves and you capture the card. Try to stay in the center as much as you can, you don't need to move a lot, and you don't need vertical either.

Woo 2/24
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8361

Three things to remember:

First wave always fires downward.

Don't waste time staying at the bottom thinking you're going to stream it. Go to the top left corner of the screen and wait for Mokou to fire the second wave there. That way, the bullets fire offscreen and you don't have to worry about them. Dodge the red bullets from the first wave as you go top right and slowly curve down. Mokou will fire four waves of bullets, the last one being cyan. The goal is to misdirect all of them.

Phoenix Tail: 3/4
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8362

Pure dodging skill. That's it. However, I get the feeling that these bullets are slightly aimed at you, so I think you should herd them.


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I'll probably write more later. I want to see what else I find out. I can't do Fujiyama Volcano because I get clipped on Mokou's third wave.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #812 on: April 18, 2010, 07:33:45 AM »
The main challange of doing perfect runs of Stage 6 in UFO is the stage portion itself. Granted i did play Hard mode but the stage was still boring enough to almost scare me out of it. I don't know why that stage drains my patience like that but it just does.

Here's something incredibly minor: Perfect Yamame pacifist on Lunatic except for ridiculous fail on last spellcard. Then proceed to time that card out. I like when static cards doesn't need to be memorized.

DoDonPachi fans should also appreciate SA Stage 1. It reminds me a bit of DDP. Its the funniest Stage 1 in the series imo.

Also, congratz to Jaimers. That many perfect runs in such a short time frame. I can only imagine how that must feel.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #813 on: April 18, 2010, 06:11:12 PM »

Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #814 on: April 18, 2010, 08:52:06 PM »
Aya finished 100% in Double Spoiler after Nue FINALLY decided to stop messing me up.
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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #815 on: April 18, 2010, 09:54:14 PM »
Here's mine: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8366

Very, VERY close to my first clear in Extra. lol @ score

I'll give it a rest for the moment, though.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #816 on: April 18, 2010, 11:19:35 PM »
WELP, LOOKS LIKE I SPOKE TOO SOON YESTERDAY BECAUSE I JUST 1CC'D MS NORMAL! HAHAHAHAHA!

EX Alice, you're going down... >:D

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #817 on: April 18, 2010, 11:51:22 PM »
Finally perfected Sanae on lunatic.

Yes it has taken me this long to accomplish this. >_>
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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #818 on: April 18, 2010, 11:59:12 PM »
ReimuC MoF Hard 1cc.

ReimuC:  The choice of people who like to shotgun things and let attacks play out as long as possible (and don't see any contradiction).
It took four tries for me to stockpile enough lives to wear out VoWG.  I'm most proud of my 3/4 history on Sanae's midboss card, especially since I was at no more than 1.00 Power each time >.>
One-bombing Source of Rains (starting at 1.00 Power) was cool too.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #819 on: April 19, 2010, 01:06:52 AM »
Here's mine: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8366

Very, VERY close to my first clear in Extra. lol @ score

I'll give it a rest for the moment, though.

You should use the focused shot more in the stage bits, since it passes right through familiars and kills things faster. Killing the four big fairies after Keine quickly makes that bit trivial. For the big waves of fairies at the end, all of the bullets are aimed at you, except for the third wave. In particular, if you move as little as possible during the fourth wave with the pink bullets, you'll get nice big gaps for the next wave. The last fairy before Mokou has a completely safe spot in the very bottom left corner, but it only works for Border Team with their smaller hitbox. (You could also make a small circle around the fairy like I do in the replay below.)

Keine's first card has a very simple trick. Stay as youkai the whole time. For the first wave, stay at the very bottom middle (above the 'e' on the boss marker) to dodge all the blue bullets. For the second wave, stay just off centre (above the 'n' or 'm'). Repeat as necessary. The blue bullets on her third card are also static; I usually start in the very middle, and move very slowly to the side when the red bullets come at you. Every wave is the same, so It's not too hard to micromemorize where you need to go.

Generally speaking, for boss fights, if you're going for survival, try to stay as Yukari as much as possible to do the most damage. Also, if you stay focused, then Ran will stay locked on the boss; unfocusing even briefly may break the lock.

Hollow Giant "Woo": So you're misdirecting the shots, but try not to focus too hard on them, and pay attention to the bullets. I found this one much easier once I started doing that.

Phoenix's Tail: it's pretty much pure dodging, but it might help to know that the bullet hitboxes are quite narrow horizontally. (They seem to be somewhat large vertically though.)

Fujiyama Volcano: I'm not sure why you switch rapidly between focused and unfocused since it doesn't help. This is one where if you don't have a pattern memorized, you're almost sure to get hit. (My replay below shows one that works for me maybe 90% of the time.)

Possessed by Phoenix: For the second phase, move more slowly and you won't have to change direction. (I generally tap very briefly to the beat of the music.)

Hourai Doll: If you do it right, you'll be able to pretty much ignore the outer red and blue bullets. I generally make a small circle, following the familiars on the outside.

(Imperishable Shooting? Good luck. :V It took me over 200 attempts to capture it first, although I can do it most of the time now. Precision movement is key.)

(Here's a replay if you like.)

Keep at it, just a little more work and you'll have it cleared. :)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 02:27:44 AM by Nereid »

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #820 on: April 19, 2010, 02:28:10 AM »
Also, IN Extra no focus clear. lol

Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #821 on: April 19, 2010, 02:41:06 AM »
Finally perfected Sanae on lunatic.

Yes it has taken me this long to accomplish this. >_>

This reminds me, I did that challenge you proposed a while ago, of timing out Sanae's last midspell on Lunatic. That was a lot harder than I'd imagined it would be, but I still got it down to a no-focus Marisa timeout after a few tried. :)

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #822 on: April 19, 2010, 02:59:48 AM »
Got the 12.3 English patch, curbstomped normal mode with Meiling. :3 I probably should have toned it down to hard instead.
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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #823 on: April 19, 2010, 03:18:36 AM »
You should use the focused shot more in the stage bits, since it passes right through familiars and kills things faster.
WHAT
I've been doing it so wrong all this time.

I thought as human (unfocused) I get the most points, and therefore the most graze and time.
Quote from: Nereid link=topic=5218.msg316443#msg316443   date=1271639212
Fujiyama Volcano: I'm not sure why you switch rapidly between focused and unfocused since it doesn't help. This is one where if you don't have a pattern memorized, you're almost sure to get hit. (My replay below shows one that works for me maybe 90% of the time.)
Because focused is too slow for me and no focus is too fast for me. I have no idea how to deal with this card. (After seeing your replay, I kind of have an idea what to do now, I just need to practice it.)

Quote from: Nereid link=topic=5218.msg316443#msg316443   date=1271639212
Hourai Doll
  Koishi put me in shape.
I honestly had more problem with Mokou's first card rather than her last.
Quote from: Nereid link=topic=5218.msg316443#msg316443   date=1271639212
(Imperishable Shooting? Good luck. :V It took me over 200 attempts to capture it first, although I can do it most of the time now. Precision movement is key.)

(Here's a replay if you like.)

Keep at it, just a little more work and you'll have it cleared. :)
I'd be lucky to get through the third wave of this one~
I'll unlock it first, though.

I have no idea why I haven't tried to do this Extra sooner lol

At least I didn't try to go for Flandre first.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #824 on: April 19, 2010, 03:28:33 AM »
Okay, cool, three perfect Murasa fights in a row on Hard. How the hell am I doing this?

Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #825 on: April 19, 2010, 03:48:24 AM »
WHAT
I've been doing it so wrong all this time.

I thought as human (unfocused) I get the most points, and therefore the most graze and time.

Being at human is only really important for item-collecting.  You should always use youkai shot to kill familiar-spawning enemies, since doing so makes the familiars explode themselves and all surrounding bullets into time orbs.  Then when you PoC you want to be at full human, since it makes the point items double in value.  Use auto-collected time orbs to manipulate your meter to bring yourself to full human when necessary.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #826 on: April 19, 2010, 03:54:03 AM »
Being at human is only really important for item-collecting.  You should always use youkai shot to kill familiar-spawning enemies, since doing so makes the familiars explode themselves and all surrounding bullets into time orbs.  Then when you PoC you want to be at full human, since it makes the point items double in value.  Use auto-collected time orbs to manipulate your meter to bring yourself to full human when necessary.
Overall it helps your score more if you're Phantasm?

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #827 on: April 19, 2010, 04:21:13 AM »
Overall it helps your score more if you're Phantasm?

I worded that badly. -_-

Switch to Youkai for:
-Killing familiar-spawning enemies
-Supergrazing boss attacks for time orbs

Switch to Human for:
-Auto-collecting point items(this is very important)
-Shooting unfocused for time orbs.  Mostly useful for bosses and indestructible/high-health familiars(Buddha's Stone Bowl, Marisa's familiars etc.)

Also, a very important thing to note(that I took for granted in my last post) is that those purple time orbs will make your meter fluctuate depending on if you're focused(goes towards youkai) or unfocused(goes towards human).

For instance, take those giant bullet-spewing enemies in stage 4.  To get maximum points from them, you'd want to:
1. Kill the enemy with youkai shot to convert familiars into time orbs
2. Unfocus to let their time orbs bring you to 100% human
3. Auto-collect point items at maximum value

« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 04:22:46 AM by Azinth »

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #828 on: April 19, 2010, 04:35:09 AM »
If you're going for score, it's all about getting time points. If you destroy an enemy that has familiars, the familiars will explode and they, as well as any bullets that they cancel, will turn into time points. This is usually much easier if you're youkai, where you can destroy the enemies but not their familiars. A lot of the time it's enough to push the human/youkai meter to 100% in either direction, and since all point item values will double when you're >80% human, it's important to manipulate the meter like that. (Notice how in my replay I try as much as possible to be >80% human when collecting point items.) Not to mention that collecting time points increases the base item value (as well as directly adding to your score, and to the spell card bonus if applicable). (Other ways of getting them, of course, are hitting enemies as >80% human, or grazing as >80% youkai. The time points from grazing as youkai are worth a lot more than the points you'd get from grazing alone as human.) Check out the wiki page for details.

I'm guessing the second biggest reason you see Youmu solo at the top of the scoreboards is that it's so easy to switch between human and youkai. (The biggest reason is the ridiculous number of time points you get as human due to the large number of bullets she shoots.)

Don't worry about scoring until you can clear it reliably though. (Not dying is good for your score.)

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #829 on: April 19, 2010, 05:39:09 AM »
Done.

IN Extra Clear with Border Team. Replay : http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8373

One Billion Points. (not very high considering I play for score.)

Koishi's Next. I should redo this, though. I did pretty bad.

I will read the other comments soon.

Hmm, I should do a Youmu Normal 1cc then.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 06:10:18 AM by GreenVirus »

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #830 on: April 19, 2010, 05:41:21 AM »
Congrats. c:

I should figure out how to use Youmu one day as well.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #831 on: April 19, 2010, 06:17:50 AM »
Somehow I completely missed the fact that there was an English patch for 12.3 until this point!

Rectified, I gave Cirno Normal a shot.  Almost perfect Alice; got hit once on her last card and twice on her survival.  I like Cirno in UNL!

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #832 on: April 19, 2010, 07:33:28 AM »
Somehow I completely missed the fact that there was an English patch for 12.3 until this point!

Rectified, I gave Cirno Normal a shot.  Almost perfect Alice; got hit once on her last card and twice on her survival.  I like Cirno in UNL!

There was? I suppose its time that Zengeku-sucks-at-fighting-games goes to get raped by Normal mode. :)
Also, Marisa keeps screwing around with me. I can consistently ND1B her on Lunatic but i always fail at just one attack by mere durr mistakes. Its still pretty cool though. (PS: Her non-spells are trivial.)

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #833 on: April 19, 2010, 07:51:57 AM »
Quote from: Azinth link=topic=5218.msg316566#msg316566   date=1271650873
I worded that badly. -_-

Switch to Youkai   for:
-Killing familiar-spawning enemies
-Supergrazing boss attacks   for time orbs

Switch to Human for:
-Auto-collecting point   items(this is very important)
-Shooting unfocused   for time orbs.  Mostly useful for bosses and indestructible/high-health   familiars(Buddha's Stone Bowl, Marisa's familiars etc.)

Also, a   very important thing to note(that I took for granted in my last post) is   that those purple time orbs will make your meter fluctuate depending on   if you're focused(goes towards youkai) or unfocused(goes towards   human).

For instance, take those giant bullet-spewing enemies in   stage 4.  To get maximum points from them, you'd want to:
1. Kill the   enemy with youkai shot to convert familiars into time orbs
2.   Unfocus to let their time orbs bring you to 100% human
3.   Auto-collect point items at maximum value
Don't you auto-collect items by hitting the PoC anyway?

Yeah, that's what I mostly try to do in IN. That's why I usually play unfocused. It's for the time points. So, you're saying that collecting items as -100% is worth more than 100%?

Ack. It's complicated. I might understand half what you're saying, but I'll forget it when I boot up IN.

If you're going for score, it's all about getting time points. If you destroy an enemy that has familiars, the familiars will explode and they, as well as any bullets that they cancel, will turn into time points. This is usually much easier if you're youkai, where you can destroy the enemies but not their familiars. A lot of the time it's enough to push the human/youkai meter to 100% in either direction, and since all point item values will double when you're >80% human, it's important to manipulate the meter like that. (Notice how in my replay I try as much as possible to be >80% human when collecting point items.) Not to mention that collecting time points increases the base item value (as well as directly adding to your score, and to the spell card bonus if applicable). (Other ways of getting them, of course, are hitting enemies as >80% human, or grazing as >80% youkai. The time points from grazing as youkai are worth a lot more than the points you'd get from grazing alone as human.) Check out the wiki page for details.

I'm guessing the second biggest reason you see Youmu solo at the top of the scoreboards is that it's so easy to switch between human and youkai. (The biggest reason is the ridiculous number of time points you get as human due to the large number of bullets she shoots.)

Don't worry about scoring until you can clear it reliably though. (Not dying is good for your score.)

So basically:

Kill familiar with Youkai
Unfocus to receive time points.

Hit PoC
>>>Repeat

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #834 on: April 19, 2010, 11:22:13 AM »
Captured IN #147   :toot:

So now I have 2 cards left to capture on IN and MoF.

And considering I can Spell Practice for Kaguya's third and final last spells, I can expect to capture those before I capture Terukuni Throughout the World and Suwa War.


Edit: Rising World capture
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 11:56:12 AM by Enigma »

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #835 on: April 19, 2010, 02:01:45 PM »
How did I capture ALL OF KAGUYA'S LAST SPELLS
YES, EVEN THE LUNATIC ONES

Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #836 on: April 19, 2010, 02:37:04 PM »
Hmm... it would seem that i finally understand the dodging of Prismrivers 2nd non-spell on Lunatic with Reimu... now i just need to capture everything in one battle. And using Marisa is cheating.

I uploaded the final parts of Double Spoiler onto Youtube. Just incase anyone wanna see em'.

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #837 on: April 19, 2010, 03:28:32 PM »
170 million points on UFO Stage 6, captured everything but Bad Omen, 2nd non-spell, last non-spell and Superhuman. Don't ask how I failed the last one.

Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #838 on: April 19, 2010, 04:37:19 PM »
170 million points on UFO Stage 6, captured everything but Bad Omen, 2nd non-spell, last non-spell and Superhuman. Don't ask how I failed the last one.

U clipped it. And you should capture Bad Omen a bit more often with all that practice you have.  >:D

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Re: Touhou "Bragging Rights" Thread (VII)
« Reply #839 on: April 19, 2010, 04:43:48 PM »
222/222 as Reimu and Yukari in IN's spell practice. Hell yes, although my perfectionist nature is now telling me to do that same thing as every team and separate character...has anyone actually done something so crazy? Also, LLS Lunatic 1CC as MarisaA. Now what the hell was that Reimu fight!? It was harder than anything else on PC-98 and an insane resource eater!