How do you die more frequently?

[Lybydose]

Dying after I stopped trying to dodge bullets because I just hit the bomb key with no bombs in stock.

[Turtlesaur]

Running into the one lone bullet moving at a speed of 0.1 pixel/millennium when going to the PoC.

[Azinth]

From MoF onwards, clipdeaths, and lack of decent resource preplanning leading to not knowing if bombing this or that will cost me later, adding another layer of difficulty which doesn't exist in games where you can know exactly how many times you can bomb in a full run.

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

[Barrakketh]

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

I find that the loss of power discourages the use of bombs, especially since SA didn't have that 1.00 power buffer that let you have a "free" bomb if you're not spamming them.

[hyorinryu]

I find that the loss of power discourages the use of bombs, especially since SA didn't have that 1.00 power buffer that let you have a "free" bomb if you're not spamming them.

Hence, why I liked MariA. I thought it would get rid of my bomb phobia.

[LHCling]

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

This. To quite a "scary" extent actually. Pushing it a bit, UFO can follow the same principle. Though, that entirely depends on whether you use a non-Marisa Shot Type or not.

To answer the question, I'll say when my fingers start to stiffen up.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

I made it up to Subterranean Sun on a run where I intentionally died or bombed to every spellcard, though with ReimuC. I then failed the run and was too pissed to ever try it again.

Don't be afraid to bomb if things look bad. There's more than enough.

[Chronojet ⚙ Dragon]

EX Kogasa's first spell card. Ugh.
Never will I ever try UFO Extra again.

Also, I never remember that EoSD has no PCB before you reach Max Power Mode!!.

[ebarrett]

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

Running around SA constantly at 1.xx power never did me any good. Maybe I should try ReimuC, but either way I don't think I'll bother before Touhou 13 is out, not enough patience or concentration or motivation for full runs anymore.

Hence, why I liked MariA. I thought it would get rid of my bomb phobia.

And then you bomb, get something like one third of a second of relief, and then everything that was trying to kill you is still there

Pushing it a bit, UFO can follow the same principle.

Pushing it (or not?), only the toppest of the top have achieved anything worth mentioning in UFO, so the point is moot.

[Chen]

Backing up into a bullet.

[8lue Wizard]

Umm... see sig.

Also, sometimes I go cross-eyed and completely lose track of everything. Sometimes I get a bomb off in time, but usually I just die. I blame Utsuho, as it started around the same time I finally 1cc'd SA Normal.

[Ghaleon]

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

May I have what you're smoking?

Bombing in SA accomplishes virtually nothing cuz they SUCK.. Oh, it gimps your power, and it's hard as #@%@%# to recover it in SA unlike MoF >=P

Easiest lunatic my ass. I've cleared some lunatics now, and I can't even 1cc HARD SA >=(

[LHCling]

Pushing it (or not?), only the toppest of the top have achieved anything worth mentioning in UFO, so the point is moot.

So... does this count? I'm not seeing how UFO is ridiculous by the way.

Or maybe my Friend's? Besides, there are a few not so top players who seem to have 1cc'd over in Japan from overbombing.

[axman36]

Coming to think of it I realized what REALLY kills me the most.

Misjudging the speed I move. As in, I try to move just a slight enough so I can avoid a bullet, but I move far more than I planned, leading me straight into another bullet.

[LHCling]

Misjudging the speed I move.

Going to agree with this. But taking it a step further. Swapping to Marisa for MoF -> UFO and having the speed that you move actually change.

[Zengeku]

It mainly happens for two reasons based on the card in question:

For most cards its a question of failed input. What i mean is, i read the bullets i should manage to judge it but hitting a movement key one too many times can lead to death. Sometimes its also tapping a key too hard. Also, in one of my many attempts at timing out VoWG Lunatic i successfully dodge a wave only to ram right into the same wave because i accidentically hit the left key. Yeah, that sucked...

When it isn't stupid errors its failure to read the pattern. It might be because the oncoming pattern is too fast - Shou's 2nd non-spell fx. - or because the pattern is very dense and consisting of bullets that are hard for me to read - Shou's final spellcard.

Third there are cases when bullets cheat me with their hitboxes. Eternally frustrating that one. The hitbox is larger than i read it to be and i get killed for that reason. - Main culprit: EoSD or Shou's lasers. (To be fair: MoF-onwards lasers in general but Shou's the most annoying as they curve)

[Kinzo the Astro Curious]

I almost never see what hits me.

When I do, it's usually immediately followed by me yelling "I PUSHED RIGHT" or whichever direction I was pushing, or "I BOMBED".

Vsync will make you wonder why you did not install it sooner.

My personal fave cause of death - seeing a bullet headingish for me, and dodging the bullet despite that fact its on a trajectory that wouldnt hit me, so I fly into the damn thing. Or something similar.

Basicly retard deaths.

[Tengukami]

More often than anything, two reasons:

- My eyes are on my hitbox area when they should be on the pattern as a whole, or vice versa.

- Dodging a series of patterns so well that my overconfidence makes me zip around too much.

[Aisha]

When I stop predicting; in other words, when I stop reading the pattern or following the gaps due to a lapse in concentration: Sometimes I will accidentally fixate on a relatively small aspect, like a single bullet or gap, and fail to take into account everything else going on around me--usually I instantly realize my error and see how to get around it, but am not left with enough time or space to execute. Other times I'm so into that "zone" that I will mentally note and flag a single bullet as a threat. . .and move right into it, because by then I'm so used to just having my fingers follow what my eyes see.

Sometimes I also over-memorize and commit things to unconscious thought. Like during the X-Multiply week in Akyu's, I'd practice particular parts of stages so many times that on future runs I'd execute the same movements, timing, and tactics that I had previously practiced, while failing to take into account any possible variations due to, among other things, my timing or positioning being off.

Then there's Shou, with her curvy lasers and fireball bullets that lack an outline--no words.

[SupahVee1234]

Jesus I hate running into bullets and pressing X and realizing I have no bombs. Fucking SA/MoF.

[DracoOmega]

If I had to pick a single largest cause of death, it would probably be bullets that I did not see at all. It's sad the number of times I've gone "What just killed me?"

Although, on a more irritated note, another major cause of me dying is being terrible at bombing. A UFO run just then, which was fairly typical, involved me dying 13 times, and bombing 10 times. And at least 4 of those bombs were barely reactionary (in other words, it was clear that I'd moved myself into a spot I couldn't get out of, but had plenty of time to bomb without reflex). I think I died with no bombs remaining ONCE. Sigh... it seems I can't deathbomb unless I see my death loudly advertised in advance.

[ふねん1]

For me it's mostly misreading bullets (I would include not seeing bullets here, since it's my fault I don't see them) and moving too much (because bullet hell games tend to punish randomly moving fast). The latter point is more readily observable, since I use Marisa in EoSD and PCB and Reimu everywhere else.

Jesus I hate running into bullets and pressing X and realizing I have no bombs. Fucking SA/MoF.

Just look at your shot. If it's just amulets or whatever, then you're out of power.

[KrackoCloud]

I usually die random deaths.
I see the bullet come at me, and I can do nothing. I reach for the counter-bomb, but my reaction times are just too slow.
That, or I just don't see a bullet or something.

[SupahVee1234]

Just look at your shot. If it's just amulets or whatever, then you're out of power.

What I actually meant is that SA/MoF gave me the habit of running into bullets and bombing. Because I always had a bomb in stock, and if I hadn't, just looking at my character would tell me not to run into bullets.

I'm trying to 1cc IN Lunatic now (got to Kaguya ffffffff) and since the bombs are on the right side of the screen (and deathbombing removes 2 bombs) I always think I have a spare bomb and die like a retard

[Kefit]

I tend to die more frequently when I start committing suicide by placing myself in the middle of bullet clusters. Sadly the long invincibility on death time sometimes makes this take a while.

See, you've got it backwards.  MoF and SA's mechanics are tailor-made to let you recklessly bombspamb to your heart's content.  That's why they're two of the easiest Lunatics. ^_^

Nah, you've got it backwards. MoF and SA are tailor-made to not have bombs used at all. ^_^

[ふねん1]

^ I'm willing to think you're both right, to an extent. Using MoF/SA bombs gives you less power, so bosses do take longer to kill. But a lot of enemies in the stage portions are fragile enough that losing power doesn't hurt as much (plus they can give plenty of power over time), and from what I've seen, the ones that are durable (i.e. death-fairies) tend to give up lots of resources to make up for one bomb.

[Kefit]

No, Azinth's correct. MoF in particular has places that were very clearly designed with the intent that the player bomb them.

I'm just being an ass.

[ふねん1]

Yeah, MoF's definitely more bomb-friendly. Of course, over-bombing can't be good either, since despite the amount of power it gives you, you can only get it at a finite rate. I suppose it's not too much of a difference in practice though, so excuse my weird theory-crafting (I'm kinda prone to that).

[ebarrett]

Yeah, MoF's definitely more bomb-friendly. Of course, over-bombing can't be good either, since despite the amount of power it gives you, you can only get it at a finite rate.

If you bomb pretty much EVERYTHING, you still get to VoWG 2/x or something.

And Kefit jokingly said that MoF and SA are made to not using bombs because he 1cc'ed both lunatics without bombing long ago.

[Helion]

In SA, bombing during a boss fight will cripple you. It is the least bomb-friendly of the games, imho.