Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[Pesco]

Cheat Engine can do all that for you too.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Cheat Engine + Spell Animation Off = Game Smashed Open.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Finally defeated the 26F boss. That was a close call... About halfway through the battle she decided to paralyse three-fourths of my active party, which rendered me unable to get Komachi ready for the next 80K nuke. Brought out 18F guy and used his super buff to get off a 100%-buffed Master Spark for 2M damage, which wasn't enough. From that point on, I simply brought out the rest of my attackers one by one, switching out new ones when the previous ones fell and putting the less useful ones in front as sacrifices for the nuke. When I had finally gotten her down to so little HP as to prompt Focus my party had been reduced to this. Marisa had just been out for a second Master Spark, and her SP had only had time to regenerate up to about 200; I thought "oh god I'm dead", brought her out to fire a last one, which did slightly less than 1M and defeated the boss.

why do I keep writing paragraphs on my boss battles

Time to go try recruit those two people waiting on 21F and 24F, perhaps. Oh, and what would be a good level to fight the final boss v2?

[Ghaleon]

I forget but I think final boss v2 was much easier than who you just beat and the Baal avatar.

[yoshicookiezeus]

I forget but I think final boss v2 was much easier than who you just beat and the Baal avatar.

That seems to be just about correct, as I just steamrollered her in about five turns after the last of her summons went down. OH GOD TWO NEW CHARACTERS TO LEVEL UP ARGH

By the way, was the head summon thing supposed to enter some sort of second phase where my characters would be able to hurt it? It just didn't seem to want to take any damage from normal attacks, so I had to rely on the last of the 12F girls and her MND-ignoring attacks to be able to take it down.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Actually, yes it was supposed to. When it first uses Rankain, it becomes plausible to dmg it without God-Mode characters.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Speaking of Rankain: how in the world am I supposed to defeat the 27F boss? I mean, before it starts using it you basically can't do damage to it, and once it does you have three turns left before you're dead. How much HP does that thing have, anyway?

[Ghaleon]

Speaking of Rankain: how in the world am I supposed to defeat the 27F boss? I mean, before it starts using it you basically can't do damage to it, and once it does you have three turns left before you're dead. How much HP does that thing have, anyway?

It shouldn't 1shot you... use high mnd characters.
I was lucky, and the sigil guardian on 25 (I think i twas 25, the big gold one that shares the same graphic as the enemies on 27f with no defense and extreme wnd weakness) dropped a necronomicon, which features over 300% mnd.

So yeah, patchy+necronomicon = 27F boss solo'd.

[MysTeariousYukari]

If your having trouble hurting 27F, try out the 26F girls 1st Card. It Ignores DEF completly and has a formula of (ATK x 6.66) which means great damage as well. Lets see Meilings Mountain Breaker beat that card out in DPS :V

[Kanako Yasaka]

That's against forum policy. You may want to edit that post.

[MysTeariousYukari]

That's against forum policy. You may want to edit that post.

What's the problem with my post and I'll change it?

I'm considering running through Labyrinth with characters I don't like to much, like Sakuya and Chen.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Just realized that I had completely forgotten about the boss rush v2, and went back to try it. If I hadn't been so overleveled it would have been kind of a trainwreck: lost

Spoiler:

Tenshi yay spoiler tags are back

as early as Yuugi to a 200k (what) Knockout in Three Steps, Reimu got DTH'd by

Spoiler:

Yuyuko

, and I completely forgot about the 18F boss and ended up using World-Shaking Military Rule against

Spoiler:

Yukari

thinking it was the last battle (which did have the quite nice effect of powering through her before she could even get off one Barrier Release). Then again, since Patchy and

Spoiler:

Kaguya

could destroy just about any one of his forms with a single attack, it didn't matter that much.

27F boss still keeps obliterating me with Rankain, though. I've managed to get

Spoiler:

Tenshi

to survive the first one with 8k HP to spare, but then the second one did 20k more damage for whatever reason (her defense and mind buffs were higher the second time, so it doesn't make any sense), which was more than she could handle. Perhaps it's time to bring out

Spoiler:

Eirin

again?

And speaking of which, does Rankain have an element?

EDIT: That thing has Djinn Storm as well? :ohdear: Time to grind for a bit...

EDITAGAIN: Remembering that I actually had skillpoints and using about .5M of them to boost Patchy's and

Spoiler:

Tenshi's

MND skill levels to 150 helped a lot. As in the move kept doing 0-5k damage to them, depending on buff status.

[trancehime]

Rancain is SPR element

[yoshicookiezeus]

Just reached 30F.

What.

First random encounter:

Spoiler:

Flandre v3

. I think you can guess how that turned out by yourself.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Oh, yeah, 30F is filled with enemies like that.

Spoiler:

It's all V.2s and V.3s their for random battles.

[Ghaleon]

Just reached 30F.

What.

First random encounter:

Spoiler:

Flandre v3

. I think you can guess how that turned out by yourself.

Tee hee.

If you end up being like me and progressively dipping your feet there every so often hoping to see if there are any you can beat for fun/gear. Don't be intimidated by

Spoiler:

Rinnosukev3 he

is one of the easier ones actualy, AND is probably the most rewarding for gear as well.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Decided that it would probably be a good idea to fill up my character list before I start taking on floor 30. Recruited

Spoiler:

Yuka

without much trouble, but

Spoiler:

Utsuho

seems to be a bit more annoying. Approximately how much health does she have left once she starts using

Spoiler:

Hell's Tokamak

? I can survive just fine up until that point, but that attack just rips through my party completely.

Oh, and I assume her attacks are magical, given that Patchy got an

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction

to the face and survived.

[Ghaleon]

Yeah she's a tough one (Last character I got myself). As for how much hp she has left, I don't really know, but I'm pretty sure it's not as low as you hope. I seem to recall her using that for well over half the fight, I had more trouble with

Spoiler:

giga flare

personally, that didn't own you? You must have stacked mys resist or something cuz that move made your bane look like a wet noodle IMO

[yoshicookiezeus]

I had more trouble with

Spoiler:

giga flare

personally, that didn't own you? You must have stacked mys resist or something cuz that move made your bane look like a wet noodle IMO

Never actually had her use that move in my last attempt (which was the only one that got past the first few uses of

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction

). If it's worse than

Spoiler:

Hell's Tokamak

, I'm definitely not looking forward to it...

(By the way, I think you messed up those spoiler tags)

[Ghaleon]

Never actually had her use that move in my last attempt (which was the only one that got past the first few uses of

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction

). If it's worse than

Spoiler:

Hell's Tokamak

, I'm definitely not looking forward to it...

(By the way, I think you messed up those spoiler tags)

Lies! I don't know what you're talking about!

Though I'm not really sure why were spoilering out the existence of that character WHEN SHES ON THE COVER >=P

But I described that fight a few pages/thread back.. Just when you think you've seen it all, she has a new spell that omgwtf pwns you.. So you come back 40 levels later, going is ok, I can do this, oh shit another more powerful spell that wtfpwns you. Come back 40 levels later, ok this is tolerable, her weak moves do 0 now

Spoiler:

Giga flare

OH GOD ID FEEL PAIN BUT I GOT INSTA KILLED!

That's the last, most nastiest one thankfully. And no, she doesn't cast it only when almost dead, I had to take several of those for over half the fight as well *sadface*.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Her biggest nuke, the MYS one, ignores MND by a large amount or completly when you fight her. Clearly your best defense(lol) is a high MYS stat, which makes the attack trivial in damage count. But then again, having 1000+ in MYS Affinity would nerf any MYS attack to pitiful damage.

[Esoterica]

Question about earlier in the game; should I level a certain composite-attacking 8F character in attack, or magic?  I tried her out specced for attack on the 9F east boss, but her PAR-inducing move never actually paralyzed once for me the entire fight, and her other physical attack doesn't seem like it's really any better than her multi-target debuffing magic ones for boss fights.

[Ghaleon]

None of her attacks are composite. She just features 2 physical and 2 magical attacks. So it's up to you to decide which 2 are more useful for you. The physical ones are great against bosses, while the magic ones are great against trash.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Overall, I think you would be better off pouring into ATK with her rather then MAG, since "you grind to beat the bosses, not the trash. You don't need to build a party around killing trash, you do need to build your party for killing a boss." Those lines sum up that characters use perfectly, and even a good way to set up a party, Boss Killing. Feel free to put into her MAG, but I personally highly reccomend ATK > MAG for

Spoiler:

Suwako

Example: If you know the next boss that you can fight will use 3 moderatly powerful ATK-based moves then a really powerful MAG-based FIR move, in that order, for the entire fight, you'll want characters who can take ATK based attacks decently well, but mainly characters who can take MAG-based moves well and characters with high FIR Affinity. You won't have Cirno out for the FIR attack, but you would have characters like Meiling, Remilia and Patchouli for it.

[Esoterica]

Overall, I think you would be better off pouring into ATK with her rather then MAG, since "you grind to beat the bosses, not the trash. You don't need to build a party around killing trash, you do need to build your party for killing a boss." Those lines sum up that characters use perfectly, and even a good way to set up a party, Boss Killing. Feel free to put into her MAG, but I personally highly reccomend ATK > MAG for

Spoiler:

Suwako

My viewpoint on it wasn't necessarily "if I set her up for bosses she'll only have single-target attacks", so much as "both of her MAG spells have debuffs that look really nice, cost about as much as

Spoiler:

Croaking Frog Eaten By Snake

with similar SP costs, and don't penalize the active gauge as much".  Taking out the trash is just a bonus.

[Ghaleon]

They don't hit nearly as hard though.

[Garlyle]

They don't hit nearly as hard, yeah, and the debuff effects aren't actually all that high, if I remember right.

Her first physical attack is more for the PAR effect, but it's an extremely effective one if it connects (I think it's the best in the game?).  Her second physical attack, on the other hand, is probably one of the strongest NTR-elemental attacks in the game.  If you're worried about her MAG stat, raise it using Skill Points and double-boosting equipment like the Sunglasses or Maser Cannons, rather than putting levels into it.  It'll still be enough to be effective.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Just defeated my first v3 boss. Apart from having a metric ton of HP,

Spoiler:

Suwako v3

wasn't that bad... She gave me disappointingly little experience given the time it took to beat her, though.

EDIT: I see what you meant about

Spoiler:

Giga Flare

... It just wiped my full-HP party at ~80% MND buffs, apart from

Spoiler:

Komachi

who was left with around 4k HP. That thing had MYS element, right?

Oh, and it would seem like

Spoiler:

Hell's Tokamak

factors in MND more than

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction

does, given as the former is now reduced to doing at most three-digit damage while the latter still does around 20k even to my tanks.

[MysTeariousYukari]

With half-decent ATK and a good ATK-buff

Spoiler:

Suwako

can hit a later boss for about 100,000+ Damage per use of her Single-Target NTR-based move. That boss has... 650,000 HP or so, somewhere around their. I'm sure you can tell how useful hitting 100k is against a boss with 650k HP.

[Ghaleon]

Just defeated my first v3 boss. Apart from having a metric ton of HP,

Spoiler:

Suwako v3

wasn't that bad... She gave me disappointingly little experience given the time it took to beat her, though.

EDIT: I see what you meant about

Spoiler:

Giga Flare

... It just wiped my full-HP party at ~80% MND buffs, apart from

Spoiler:

Komachi

who was left with around 4k HP. That thing had MYS element, right?

Oh, and it would seem like

Spoiler:

Hell's Tokamak

factors in MND more than

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction

does, given as the former is now reduced to doing at most three-digit damage while the latter still does around 20k even to my tanks.

That v3 boss is definately the easiest, she's a complete joke really. She'll be doing 0 damage to your non-tanks before most of the others stop 1-shotting your tanks pretty much (well maybe not, but the gab in difficulty is pretty amazing). There are a couple other particularly easy ones too, I don't remember them all off hand but

Spoiler:

Reisen and Rinnosuke

were 2 that come to mind.

the 30F trash is terrible for EXP, it wont be worth farming for exp and skillpoints over 27F until you you can beat the final 30F boss once. But I still do it earlier than that due to the chance of some sweet gear drops, along with some variety and fun (27F trash will get boring!)

That spell is Mys element though yes.