Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[Thata no Guykoro]

Only thing I can think of is one of the bugs you need to kill for Wriggle, though it's not where Meiling was, in the general area.

No, that's not it... Eh, maybe it was a mistake or something. =|

[Serela]

The enemy table does have a Disgusting Malice on 1F. From the stats, it looks like you should fight it before Cirno. A better question though, is how you make it appear.

[Axel Ryman]

Maybe it's in 2.06 but not 2.04?

[Garlyle]

Argh.

ARGH

So, finally got back into the game.  18F.

Spoiler:

I refuse to level any more.  I am CERTAIN I can beat this boss if I do this right.  100% certain.  For reference, my Highest Level is only 99.
Why am I certain?  Because I swear to god I just had his final phase down to about 20-30k remaining.  THAT'S IT.  And that's after going into the phase with Meiling, Yukari (Who by now had 0 TP), Reimu, and a fully-charged Marisa sitting in the back.
But dear lord doing it so underlevelled takes a long time.  It's partially due to computer slowdown (My computer is crappy like that), but the fight just clocked in at half an hour.

I -will- beat Rinnosuke with a sub-100 Party.

EDIT: YEAHHHH

Spoiler:

Took a good 20 minutes on my victorious run.  I managed to incur minimal penalties for once.  My party for the battle...
Yuugi (89), Reimu (97), Yukari (81), Suwako (86), Eirin (81), Flandre (85), Kaguya (87), Marisa (90), Meiling (93), Ran (89), Patchouli (86), Suika (81)

It's worth noting that any videos I've seen of this fight have all had a minimum level of at least 10 more than me.

Anyway, bragging aside, that was intense.  Eirin got killed off early, and then he killed off about one person a form due to Start of Heavenly Demise.  I've learned to use the Fire phase as my healing and recovery time; the damage he does in that is actually really easily handleable, excluding the occasional Scarlet Gold Sword, and I can focus on restoring my buffs.  Going into the final phase, all I had was Ran, Yukari, Yuugi, Suwako, Meiling, and Reimu left.  I got lucky, and he didn't use World-Shaking Military Rule until a couple actions into his final phase.  My final moments involved me swapping in Yuugi (After a buffed SoHD blew up Yukari, Suwako, and Ran) in a desperate attempt to get one more attack... and he acted a split second before and took out Yuugi with a Scarlet Gold Sword.  This gave me precisely enough time to swap Reimu in, and I made a desperate attack with the only thing I had SP for: Evil Sealing Circle.
11k damage.  "God damnit, I'm gonna lo--"
*VICTORY*


Also I had never ever used Suika before this.  I don't know why, but she had never seemed to be doing any damage.  Then I saw someone using Suika in a Let's Play of the game and was very thuroughly surprised at how much damage she was actually doing.  She really saved my ass; high powered NTR/WND moves were really important for me, since those were arguably the two phases I found most dangerous (WND was party-wide speed debuffs and Paralysis, which is HORRIFYING to my setup, and NTR had The Word For World Is Forest, which is the attack I found the single most deadly for him to use)

[LHCling]

I should probably update my sluggishly moving 2nd playthrough.

Sitting on 9F with a (current) Party of Reimu, Marisa, Remilia (no SKP), Patchy (no SKP), Sakuya (no SKP, but I might consider adding some soon), Meiling, Chen, Cirno (no SKP), Minoriko, Youmu, Wriggle and Rumia. I have not switched anybody out yet for "specific" battles (e.g.

Spoiler:

Yuugi

for an advantage against Tam's). And of course, Reimu Lv36. Sakuya actually seems... decent. Hm.

All bosses encountered so far have been taken out with 0 casualties. Yes, all of them, including the optionals if you're thinking that I'm skipping them intentionally  :V

[yoshicookiezeus]

Just noticed something kind of funny. The way that the level-up goddess whose name I can't remember addresses

Spoiler:

Rinnosuke

is... well, kind of unconventional.

Also, what level would be recommended for the boss rush? Right now that and the all items one (since I have every item on the first ten pages apart from the one you get from the boss rush) seems like the stars I should aim for, since the more high-damage v2 bosses kill off most of my party members with a bit more ease than I would like.

Spoiler:

Flandre, I'm looking at you.

[Garlyle]

Just noticed something kind of funny. The way that the level-up goddess whose name I can't remember addresses

Spoiler:

Rinnosuke

is... well, kind of unconventional.

Also, what level would be recommended for the boss rush? Right now that and the all items one (since I have every item on the first ten pages apart from the one you get from the boss rush) seems like the stars I should aim for, since the more high-damage v2 bosses kill off most of my party members with a bit more ease than I would like.

Spoiler:

Flandre, I'm looking at you.

Well, the boss rush ends on a fight with the final boss.  You should obviously reach a level at which you can handle her with only minimal difficulty, because by the time you reach her you're giong to have mined through a tonne of TP.

[Rikter]

Still haven't beaten the Trio...

Reimu's level 55 rest of the party is around 49...

EDIT: Pesco gave me a suggestion that could help me with

Spoiler:

Eirin

who is why i'm having trouble so i'll try that later and see if it works.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Boss rush down! I did get kind of worried when Meiling got DTH'd against Orin and Reimu got stuck at 0 TP, but when most attacks (including those of the final boss) doesn't do any damage at all, not having a healer doesn't matter that much.

However, Akyu still says that I only have two stars. Do I have to go defeat the final boss again or something for the two new ones to show up?

EDIT: Apparently so. Floor 21, here I come!

Also, defeated the final boss without casualties this time.

[Rikter]

Yay I actually got killed by

Spoiler:

Hourai Barrage

this time...

EDIT: Finnally beat them. It came down to me hoping for Lucky Avici Debuffs and Status while Reimu took down

Spoiler:

Kaguya with her second to last Fantasy Seal and Reisen with the last one.

Alice's RI helped alot for

Spoiler:

Eirin

Time to restructure and reequip my team.

Spoiler:

where I need to use Rumia and Youmu just to get their events...

EDIT2: I actually have enough BP to not need to includ them yay!

[yoshicookiezeus]

Finished exploring up to the part of 25F first available (realizing that most of the random battles have pretty much no resistance to any kind of status ailments helped a lot), and obliterated both the last three v2 bosses and the final Bloody Seal back on 1F. Seems like I'm going to have to try to defeat some of all those seal guardians now if I want to proceed...

Also, I assume that

Spoiler:

Utsuho

is best left alone for now, given how she wiped out my party with her first two attacks.

[Ghaleon]

Also, I assume that

Spoiler:

Utsuho

is best left alone for now, given how she wiped out my party with her first two attacks.

Yes, she gets more powerful spells (much more powerful) later on too, one of which completely ignores defense and nukes the entire party for like 60-80k IIRC...This is not a "kill me now or I cast this and you lose!" spell either, it's a "I cast this when I feel like it lolol" spell.

I personally beat her when I was roaming floor 28, with many levels leeched from floor 27 (the best floor to level on until you're so over-leveled that you can probably beat the real final boss, at which point 30F is QUESITONABLY viable, though I still think 27 is better...Mind you I did 30 by that point any way for the uber-sweet item drops, and cuz 27 was boring as fuck at that point).

[MysTeariousYukari]

Spoiler:

Utsuho

is very dangerous at first, but only has FIR and MYS based moves last I checked, and her DEF/MND-piercing move is... MYS-based I think. Once you cna handle her, I would reccomend beating her, cause I loved using her :*

[yoshicookiezeus]

These items you get in the plus disk are getting slightly ridiculous... Not that I mind, +360% attack for the 15F girl is always nice.

Edit: OH GOD

Spoiler:

YUKA

[MysTeariousYukari]

Best item gives +300% to all Stats, HP and SP as well as 20(?) Affliction Resist and +100 to all Elemental Affinities. Picture 3 of those on one character, now picture that on 12 characters :V You know now my equip setup for Labyrinth

[Ghaleon]

Best item gives +300% to all Stats, HP and SP as well as 20(?) Affliction Resist and +100 to all Elemental Affinities. Picture 3 of those on one character, now picture that on 12 characters :V You know now my equip setup for Labyrinth

quit bragging about cheating =p.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Eh, whatever Besides, I'm not bragging, I am letting people know my equipment setup that floored everything in the game. I find it f***ing stupid to grind from Reimu Lv 100 to Reimu Lv 300+ so I can beat one boss and stand a chance on post game content. 20F does give fantastic Exp, but once you hit Lv200+ it's an actual grind. At least I didn't edit stat growths so that 15F would gain like 1000 ATK per level or anything like that.

Edit: Oh and FYI, Youmu and her Ghost-Half are vulnerable to DTH. HP Tank can DTH both at the same time with one move, should you carry characters over from a previous playthrough.

[Pesco]

quit bragging about cheating =p.

I cheat proudly :V

[yoshicookiezeus]

Finally defeated the last of the four sigil guardians blocking my way around F25. It was perhaps a bit closer than I would have liked, but a victory is a victory after all. The last few minutes of the battle consisted of me stalling with Meiling, using Colourful Rain to negate the damage the boss was doing, while waiting for Marisa's SP to recover enough for another 1.5M Master Spark. Luckily enough, that was enough to finish off the boss, as I don't think Meiling's SP would have lasted many more turns...

I then started exploring F26, which seems to be much nicer than the two preceding floors so far. Apart from those annoying Famous Strategists with their Prayers of Supremacy, there is pretty much nothing that can stop me from paralyzing entire enemy parties and then nuking them with the last F12 girl. Though the boss doesn't seem to be that easy... Perhaps I should try enlisting the characters on F21 and F24 first?

Speaking of the F26 boss, by the way: is her one-person 80k nuke supposed to be completely silent?

[Serela]

Speaking of the F26 boss, by the way: is her one-person 80k nuke supposed to be completely silent?

It seems to be a problem with the Character-Specific attacks on plus-disk bosses. They have sounds when you recruit them, though.

By the way, I'm not kidding when I say that even if you NEVER used Komachi before, she makes the boss a good bit more doable to level her up with HP and just dump some HP skillpoints/gear on her, bringing her in JUST for this fight. No one else can survive that nuke without massive overleveling, which causes a bunch of problems.

[yoshicookiezeus]

By the way, I'm not kidding when I say that even if you NEVER used Komachi before, she makes the boss a good bit more doable to level her up with HP and just dump some HP skillpoints/gear on her, bringing her in JUST for this fight. No one else can survive that nuke without massive overleveling, which causes a bunch of problems.

Don't worry, I've been using her almost the entire time since I got her. She might not have the survivability of Meiling or the 10F brick wall girl, but the fact that she can survive just about any single attack, even the ones that ignore defence, makes up for it. And having a tank that can actually do a decent amount of damage or inflicting debuffs and paralysis is always nice.

Anyway, is there any way I can tell when that attack is coming? Keeping her in the battle the entire time doesn't seem to be conducing to her having enough HP left to survive it when it comes.

[Serela]

Anyway, is there any way I can tell when that attack is coming? Keeping her in the battle the entire time doesn't seem to be conducing to her having enough HP left to survive it when it comes.

Not that I know of. Boosting Reimu's appropriate affinities for this fight using equipment is a good idea, so you can keep her out for buffing/healing so Komachi stays up. Now, if Komachi ends up dying, that's okay, but it'll all downhill from there, so try to avoid that.

Also, that boss has a MYS weakness. Master Spark is massively powerful against her.

[trancehime]

quit bragging about cheating =p.

I have like millions of those items from beating the bosses so many times (100 times) >_>

It's possible to get them without cheating... Just have to hate yourself very much.

[Ghaleon]

I have like millions of those items from beating the bosses so many times (100 times) >_>

It's possible to get them without cheating... Just have to hate yourself very much.

Given it's 5% drop rate from only 1 source, getting 66 from 100 attempts is like winning the lottery twice in a row, even if you DO actually farm that boss enough to get 66 of them, you'll be so overlevel doing it that you could probably trash the entire game naked excluding the final 30F boss' + versions.

My point is simply that an ordinary player shouldn't expect to see that equipment given any ordinary circumstance, utusho did not suggest cheating, I didn't want someone to go wondering wtf this godly item is that they aren't finding >=p

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ghaleon is right. That item is a 5% or so Drop Rate from a Boss Monster. That means you would, in theory, only get 1 of it for every 20 times to kill that boss. Cheating in order to get 36, 3 for 12 characters is game breaking to the point that the only thing holding you back would be speed, since that isn't boosted the same way other stats are.

[Anima Zero]

Not that I know of. Boosting Reimu's appropriate affinities for this fight using equipment is a good idea, so you can keep her out for buffing/healing so Komachi stays up. Now, if Komachi ends up dying, that's okay, but it'll all downhill from there, so try to avoid that.

Also, that boss has a MYS weakness. Master Spark is massively powerful against her.

Probably a little late to reply to this, but there is a pattern to 26F boss's single target nuke.  She pulls it off...I think it's every 4th turn. 

Spoiler:

Eirin's Hourai Elixir

works very well with getting Komachi's truckload of HP back up into shape.

One thing to note...if 26F boss uses Focus, throw everything and the kitchen sink at her to kill her or you'll high likely get wiped by her following attack.  It's seems to be random when she decides to pull it off.  Low chance, but random nonetheless.  My winning fight against her way back when had her never using Focus.  Go figure I had nukes prepped and ready to go, expecting a Focus when she was near death.

Haven't played much recently.  Having to grind to survive fights on 30F.  Would really help my cause if my comp didn't get slowdown on 27F because I have the whole map filled in.  That or being able to get into fights every step on said floor.  Even better that would be.

[trancehime]

Given it's 5% drop rate from only 1 source, getting 66 from 100 attempts is like winning the lottery twice in a row, even if you DO actually farm that boss enough to get 66 of them, you'll be so overlevel doing it that you could probably trash the entire game naked excluding the final 30F boss' + versions.

It... It was a hyperbole, though >_>

And yeah I probably could at that point, maybe? I dunno. Lv10000 might still be too low to trash the middle 30F boss naked

[MysTeariousYukari]

I found out that Final Boss can't summon ads if you have Spell Animation turned off. Sweet!

[Serela]

I found out that Final Boss can't summon ads if you have Spell Animation turned off. Sweet!

Pretty much, Spell Animation removal is very unrefined option that breaks the game in far too many ways to actually consider using for serious play. For sheer game-breaking purposes though, it sounds quite amusing.

[MysTeariousYukari]

sounds quite amusing

It's fun for me, I get to see 15F deal 8 digits of damage(I just hit Final Boss V.2 for 18583956) with her 3rd Card, without any penalty. I can spam 18Fs Super Buff freely and more *-* It's soooo much fun when you wanna break the game wide open.