Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[trancehime]

Also, Patchy's the most frail character in the game, and with her pathetic HP stat, it doesn't matter how much of a % bonus you put in it ^^;

Even with over 6000 levels in HP, people like Patchy can still get 1 to 3HKOed by the 30F bosses.

Doesn't matter if it's still comparatively low, it makes a huge-ass difference nonetheless. Lots of HP can be the gap between Patchy constantly being OHKOed as opposed to her being hit once for lots of damage and then being healed again. Or switched out. :/

[Ghaleon]

I find patchy's survivability (when in the back row of course) to be relatively high among my dudes actually, I spent approximately the same amount of skillpoints on her hp as all my other non-tanks, and it makes plenty of difference I assure you. Doing so allows her to survive 3-4 row-attack physical strikes like tai slash, samidere slash, etc...She STILL gets insta-pwnt by needle parades and arrow rains however. Just don't ignore her mnd stat thinking it's high enough, paying as much attention to her mnd as you do her mag will ensure she takes 0 damage from pretty much any spell that isn't pure physical (even composite attacks will barely touch her).

I find flandre to be MUCH harder to keep alive personally. Despite her high hp, the amount of damage she takes from a move is often 4X more than everyone, nuking herself using starbrow break doesn't help either. Even with defensive buffs she still takes more damage from weak spells like leaf dance than your other dudes do from big nukes like ether flare.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Spoiler:

Flandre does take mean amounts of damage from magic, but she actually has a higher DEF then Siki if I am correct, that or similar. This means she actually can take decent damage, and if you have Meiling out as well, Flan can use Starbow without fear, as Meiling can usually nullify and Starbow damage with Healer.

I have nothing left to do in the game T-T I have cleared 30F, beaten pretty much everything that shows, slapped all the bosses their around more then once. Whats left?

[Pesco]

I have nothing left to do in the game T-T I have cleared 30F, beaten pretty much everything that shows, slapped all the bosses their around more then once. Whats left?

Do a no-equips run

[MysTeariousYukari]

Do a no-equips run

I'll probly carry over all levels and skill levels and characters and have spell animation off, so I can just cheese the entire game with 15F and 18F

[Rikter]

No optional characters run with spell animations on.

[MysTeariousYukari]

No optional characters run with spell animations on.

Aka, the first 5 characters and anyone else forced :O That sounds mean.

[Pesco]

Just grind more. A whole lot more

[MysTeariousYukari]

Just grind more. A whole lot more

True, but that denies me my more liked characters :c I like Super-Nuke and HP-Tank a lot.

[Pesco]

True, but that denies me my more liked characters :c I like Super-Nuke and HP-Tank a lot.

:suwakodwi:

Be grateful that we didn't say you can't use Patchy at all. :V

[Garlyle]

No optional characters run of the main game would be...
Reimu, Marisa, Remilia, Sakuya, Patchouli, Chen, Cirno, Youmu, Alice,

Spoiler:

Ran, Reisen, Eirin, Yukari, Rinnosuke

.

The main difficulty would be that until you actually -beat- The Trio(tm), you don't have a full set of 12 characters.  And your tanks are... well, sort of subpar (Remilia's decently survivable, but I found that she was beaten out in almost every way by Meiling for tanking purposes; Patchy is an anti-magic tank at least, Youmu, Alice,

Spoiler:

Eirin, Yukari, and Rinnosuke

are all semi-decent at tanking, kind of?

I think it'd be possible though.  You still have Reimu, which is the biggest one.  Hell, I think everyone on that list is someone usable, with the possible exception of

Spoiler:

Reisen

? (I have never found her all that useful)


Alternatively take the Level 1 Everyone save and beat the main game with the Plus Disk cast ONLY.

[MysTeariousYukari]

For me, I wouldn't have a full cast of good chars, until after 18F.

[Pesco]

Plus Disc characters only means only a party of 10?

[Serela]

Plus Disc characters only means only a party of 10?

How are you getting 10 from 8 characters 

[Pesco]

How many was it per page again? I forgot damnit :blush:

[MysTeariousYukari]

How many was it per page again? I forgot damnit :blush:

8 per page. Thus 8 Plus Disk chars.

[Pesco]

Still gotta do a whole lot of grinding with your team of 8.

[E-Nazrin]

Solo Reisen game.

You know you want to.

And ultimately what I didn't like seeing as I got into higher levels was Patchouli's speed stat staying so low; I never really tried her out after a certain point, but I suspect it would have been a major issue with her after a while...

[MysTeariousYukari]

Any character at level 400+ with over Lv 100 in their Skill Levels can solo the game

[Pesco]

Any character at level 400+ with over Lv 100 in their Skill Levels can solo the game

Really? Even

Spoiler:

Renko

?

[MysTeariousYukari]

Really? Even

Spoiler:

Renko

?

Yep, you just need to equip her properly. Please remember the reccomended level for Final Boss, Reimu Lv 130+, so 400+ for a Solo is very doable, I'd think.

[E-Nazrin]

Solo Reisen game with legit leveling/equipment.

:V

But yeah, enough levels and you can just overpower anything, really...

[Serela]

Yep, you just need to equip her properly. Please remember the reccomended level for Final Boss, Reimu Lv 130+, so 400+ for a Solo is very doable, I'd think.

Way by the time you reach level 400, most characters would be completely invincible to the Final Boss's attacks anyway; except for her nuke after a self-buff, but that would still be negligible.

[Deranged]

No optional characters run of the main game would be...
Reimu, Marisa, Remilia, Sakuya, Patchouli, Chen, Cirno, Youmu, Alice,

Spoiler:

Ran, Reisen, Eirin, Yukari, Rinnosuke

.

The main difficulty would be that until you actually -beat- The Trio(tm), you don't have a full set of 12 characters.  And your tanks are... well, sort of subpar (Remilia's decently survivable, but I found that she was beaten out in almost every way by Meiling for tanking purposes; Patchy is an anti-magic tank at least, Youmu, Alice,

Spoiler:

Eirin, Yukari, and Rinnosuke

are all semi-decent at tanking, kind of?

I think it'd be possible though.  You still have Reimu, which is the biggest one.  Hell, I think everyone on that list is someone usable, with the possible exception of

Spoiler:

Reisen

? (I have never found her all that useful)


Alternatively take the Level 1 Everyone save and beat the main game with the Plus Disk cast ONLY.

I discussed this with a friend the other day actually; we came to the conclusion that while the lack of a pure tank in Meiling

Spoiler:

or Tenshi

might be a fair problem, by far the biggest problem is that your only healer is also your only def/mnd buffer up to

Spoiler:

Eientei

, and she'll run out of steam extremely quickly.

For it to be vaguely plausible (that is, without overgrinding massively), the only real way is to make a concession and letting a dedicated healer (probably Minoriko) take the place of any of the usable characters for boss battles until you get

Spoiler:

Eirin

.

[Serela]

Give Remi DEF (maybe some MND?) level ups. Tank problem solved. She doesn't have Healer like Meiling, and slightly less hp, but I think she ends up with better DEF and certainly MND in this case, plus she's got a self-buff.

12F trio would probably be the really hard part, and the rest shouldn't be that horrible.

[E-Nazrin]

Am I really the only one that tried to use Meiling as the tank for the entire game?

[MysTeariousYukari]

Am I really the only one that tried to use Meiling as the tank for the entire game?

I used her from when I got her to 30F, so it's not just you.

[Serela]

Am I really the only one that tried to use Meiling as the tank for the entire game?

I found Meiling to be the best tank choice by far. Healer's stat heals are invaluable, and she has the highest non-7Fgirl HP combined with a great self-heal, plus amazing DEF if you give her that on level ups.

[Pesco]

Throw a spanner in the works: Minoriko is NOT recruitable without Meiling. You expect any of your characters to carry around that lump of ice?

[Axel Ryman]

You expect any of your characters to carry around that lump of ice?

Spoiler:

Yuugi could do it one handed, while sipping some Sake. Suika could carry her too but it wouldn't be as epic, Mokou would just fry her worse than McDonald's, and Yukari's portals will just shatter her. Oh right, Utsuho would fry her worse than Mokou, Keine could carry her, Kanako may be able to as well, but the other 5 Plus Disk characters wouldn't be able to help, but who wants to wait till the Plus Disk for Minoriko?