Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3 (Read 178260 times)

yoshicookiezeus · « **Reply #390 on:** February 23, 2010, 12:54:57 AM »

Not too sure about the exact numbers, but it has to be at least several million. The battle is far from over once you take down her three summons. In my winning fight against her, the final phase was by far the longest part of the battle.

Serela · « **Reply #391 on:** February 23, 2010, 01:22:03 AM »

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Setoki · « **Reply #392 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:37:51 AM »

When all limbs are down, she become immune to all status effect + double DEF/MDEF/SPD :V, not to mention Overflowing Natural Power :V
So try to Master Spark/burst damage her BEFORE taking down the last limb.
The top limb also has Djinn storm when the other 2 is down btw, totally screw my Marisa once

DracoOmega · « **Reply #393 on:** February 23, 2010, 03:20:46 AM »

I finally decided to start playing this game again after a bit of a hiatus, and just beat the 16F boss. Yay!

And considering the attempt really got off to a bad start, with

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being one-shotted before she even got off a single attack in phase 1. And half my other damage dealers dying partway through phase 2. After the last Djinn Storm, I believe the only characters I had left with any real offensive punch were Yuugi and Marisa. So I basically hung on for dear life while people started dying after IN Quadruple Barrier. In the end,

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finished her off with an attack for a measly 3700. She was literally the only character left alive at that point who could do more than 0 damage to her.

Reimu level was 71. I don't know if that's perhaps a tad low for there or not? (I know it's below the wiki's recommended level for that fight). Although I did break out a pile of the skill points that I'd been hording, after I kept having half my party die in phase 1. Would you believe that I was sitting on 986,000 by the time I reached the boss? >.>

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #394 on:** February 23, 2010, 03:23:47 AM »

Please note that

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should only be used when your going to dps the 16F boss to death just before it's 3rd phase starts. Any sooner, she will die horribly and painfully. :ohdear:

Garlyle · « **Reply #395 on:** February 23, 2010, 07:44:13 PM »

Quote from: MystearicaUtsuho on February 23, 2010, 03:23:47 AM

Please note that
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Suwako
should only be used when your going to dps the 16F boss to death just before it's 3rd phase starts. Any sooner, she will die horribly and painfully. :ohdear:

Unless you've used Cirno or

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to drop the boss down to -50% Speed, which you should do anyway - this is easily the biggest tip I'd give to anybody planning to take her down in the future, because she's got 0 Debuff resistance, and dropping her speed down to half makes dealing with her Djinn Storms so much easier.

DracoOmega · « **Reply #396 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:58:13 PM »

Quote from: Garlyle on February 23, 2010, 07:44:13 PM

Unless you've used Cirno or
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Komachi
to drop the boss down to -50% Speed, which you should do anyway

Yeah, I'd used

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and

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to keep just about all her stats at or close to -50% most of the time. I'm quite confident that I wouldn't have been able to come close to winning without that. But really, it was just bad luck. At the time I swapped

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in, she immediately got hit by the single thing that could have killed her, with the boss's offense like that: a Quadruple Barrier targeted at the 4th slot, a moment before I could get a defense buff onto her, and even then she only died by about 200 hp. Nothing else would have been much of an issue for her at that point.

Garlyle · « **Reply #397 on:** February 23, 2010, 09:28:36 PM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on February 23, 2010, 08:58:13 PM

Yeah, I'd used
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Komachi
and
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Reisen
to keep just about all her stats at or close to -50% most of the time. I'm quite confident that I wouldn't have been able to come close to winning without that. But really, it was just bad luck. At the time I swapped
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Suwako
in, she immediately got hit by the single thing that could have killed her, with the boss's offense like that: a Quadruple Barrier targeted at the 4th slot, a moment before I could get a defense buff onto her, and even then she only died by about 200 hp. Nothing else would have been much of an issue for her at that point.

Ahh

I got into the habit of swapping her in, firing the nuke, then swapping her back out quickly. But yeah, bad luck like that can happen in most boss fights XD

Taishyr · « **Reply #398 on:** February 23, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »

F30:

Only four bosses remain: Facemelt On A Plane? The Redux, SNAAAAAAAAAKE!, Time For Trouble Make It Double Redux, and U R WINRAR

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. Can generally beat any F30 random. Only gotten one 15th page item drop, tho (

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).

I enjoyed aftergame, but I think I've hit the "level or die" wall pretty damn hard (I've honestly done minimal grinding all game, even in the aftergame. Only at this point, where I can kill F30 randoms with ease but still have four bosses to go, do I feel like I've hit a massive impasse). SNAAAAAAAKE kills too fast 2nd phase, Facemelt On A Plane? The Redux just TAKES EFFING FOREVER, and I can't reach the other two.

Current team (likely final team) (entirely spoilered just due to laziness):

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Ghaleon · « **Reply #399 on:** February 23, 2010, 09:54:51 PM »

You have to have hit a grindwall hard to reach the point where you can kill any trash on f30 and the point where you first explore it as well..or something earlier than that. Because there's not an effing chance you can kill any of that trash at like level 250 or whatever it was when you first reach that floor. Many of them are capable of ohkoing you before you can even move at that point.

Anyway I updated the first post, but just to re-post here in case you guys haven't noticed, be careful with NG+ files in 2.04, not only will you rlevel drop down to 1 if you re-recruit someone (which isn't a big deal since it remembers your exp), but it deleted any equipment that character was wearing, in addition to resetting all your skill levels to 1 (and no your skillpoints will not be reimbursed).

edit: I'm convinced suwako is like the F27 boss where her stats are seemingly randomized >=P. I KNOW on my first playthru, I accidently bumped into her before I was nearly done exploring F8, and I didn't level up yet at that point in the game, I had many characters lacking tp and sp, and she was still easy as hell. Nothing she did would ever hit for a whole lot.

Ran into her now, she ohko China...with destroy magic.. wut tf.. After that she iron ringed my other dudes for over 1.5k.. seriously weird.

Jaimers · « **Reply #400 on:** February 23, 2010, 10:16:27 PM »

Well, that was a bit... anticlimatic and... unrewarding.
First run where she didn't spam Overflowing Unnatural Power and only did nonthreatening attacks. And I'm confused about her health as that felt nothing like 2 million. She just died out of nowhere.
I must have done a lot of damage in the limb phase because Remilia and Chen were the only ones really doing damage in the final part and it's not like I overleveled or anything. Djinn Storm even screwed Marisa over TWICE in the battle.

So yeah, that's it. I'm going to look into the post-game content but I doubt I'll do the plus-disk for pretty much the same reasons Donut did, plus grinding feels like a complete chore to me and bores me pretty fast (one of the reasons I stopped caring for

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).
Unless grinding on 21F-30F goes just as fast as on 20F, I might reconsider.

Here's my final party, so you can get a feeling for how I played the game.

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Taishyr · « **Reply #401 on:** February 23, 2010, 10:35:11 PM »

Ghaleon: There might have been a small one? But I was able to kill

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once I hit the floor, and Reisen/Rumia -still- love constantly showing up for me. After a few fights with them, was able to kill

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and from there the floor pretty much opened up. At this point

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is the only roadblock for consistent kills. Stupid Dual Colorful Light (EDIT: HURR right she's debuff weak, debuff first and then go to town).

This being said I was probably about L270 or so when I hit F30? Maybe a bit under, Chen was around 270 probably not sure. I got lost, uh, a lot, doing F28/29.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #402 on:** February 23, 2010, 10:54:41 PM »

Sounds like you're really lucky. Those are all the easiest ones, the one with dual laser included...She seems hard at the end because of how strong she gets, but she has EXTREMELY low health at that point.

I personally had lots of luck finding

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Still though, I had to reach level 300ish before I didn't have multiple people get ohko'd with an opening attack from several of the enemies encountered there.

Taishyr · « **Reply #403 on:** February 23, 2010, 11:12:57 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on February 23, 2010, 10:54:41 PM

Sounds like you're really lucky. Those are all the easiest ones, the one with dual laser included...She seems hard at the end because of how strong she gets, but she has EXTREMELY low health at that point.

I personally had lots of luck finding
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flan, utusho, Seikeiki (or however you spell it), chen (she's brutal), and Yuka (yeah the one easy one I get alot, mind you she never dropped a robe for me).. Yuugi is a trheshold fight really. If she 1shots you before he rsuper phase she's probably impossible, if not, she should be easy, I can't imagine you can survive her attacks at that level though. It was somewhere around 300 for me I believe. Orin is pretty easy too. I really hate chen though, She hits like yuugi only moves like 10X faster, it's insane). Alice is a bit strange. she's probably easy if you use Seikeiki, but hard otherwise. It's basically impossible to kill the healerbot without using defense ignore attacks, and it's very difficult to damage it faster than it can heal herself with just Rumia/kaggy unless you're high level, or if you really pump up their magic (I don't since I use kaggy more for hte buff than her nukes).

Still though, I had to reach level 300ish before I didn't have multiple people get ohko'd with an opening attack from several of the enemies encountered there.

Yeah, I was lucky when I started off here. Now I mainly see

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.

As for the MT OHKO... I had

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out for a long while. Fight I can't win? She's usually faster turn 1! RUN. Saved my ass a ton of times. As did World Shaking Military Rule - abusing that + [spoilers]Siki/Kaguya ITD damage[/spoiler] is probably what's helping me the most.

Maiden Synnae ミ☆ · « **Reply #404 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:10:27 AM »

Can someone tell me what teleport switches I must flip in order to get Robe of Twilight on 13F? The expanation on how the teleport devices works in touhou wikia is all convulted and perplex, and I didn't understood a shit about that.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #405 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:20:52 AM »

Sasha,

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I hope that helps

Maiden Synnae ミ☆ · « **Reply #406 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:35:11 AM »

Quote from: MystearicaUtsuho on February 24, 2010, 01:20:52 AM

Sasha,
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you know how each switch is numbered? Each number has a Value. 1=1 2=2 3=4 4=8 5=16 6=32 and 7=64... If you add up the value of say... switches 1, 2 and 3 you get a value of 7 and so on and so forth.
I hope that helps

I still didn't get it, so... what switches I must add to get the value of 64? (where Robe of Twilight is located).

Serela · « **Reply #407 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:36:25 AM »

Quote from: Sashiromiya Sasha on February 24, 2010, 01:35:11 AM

I still didn't get it, so... what switches I must add to get the value of 64? (where Robe of Twilight is located).

Just the seventh. Because the seventh=64.

Maiden Synnae ミ☆ · « **Reply #408 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:41:47 AM »

Quote from: NeoMargatroid on February 24, 2010, 01:36:25 AM

Just the seventh. Because the seventh=64.

That's impossible... when I press the switch, it reedirects me to a completely different location. T_T

Ghaleon · « **Reply #409 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:43:46 AM »

You have to turn the other ones off first.

Anyway, how badly does

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? Is it normal for her to nail herself for more than 1/3 of her max health?

Serela · « **Reply #410 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:45:26 AM »

Depends on the damage she does. It's relative. So against high def enemies it'll be a little less, and it'll be higher if you've been seriously boosting her ATK (which you probably should)

Ghaleon · « **Reply #411 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:51:27 AM »

Yeah, she's slapping enemies around for 25kish at floor 8 lol. Unfortunately she pwns herself too doing it.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #412 on:** February 24, 2010, 02:30:40 AM »

At one point she dealt around 1 million, she lost what was about 25% oh her current HP, which was maxed

Deranged · « **Reply #413 on:** February 24, 2010, 12:59:38 PM »

Her recoil damage is (0.4) * [(0.4 * own ATK) - (0.5 * own DEF)].

Maiden Synnae ミ☆ · « **Reply #414 on:** February 24, 2010, 05:23:27 PM »

Can anyone reccomend me a level to defeat Baal Avatar at 21F and the FREAKING Bloody Papa?

Taishyr · « **Reply #415 on:** February 24, 2010, 06:15:06 PM »

In spoilers, just because both are aftergame fights, even if plotless, Sashiromiya Sasha. Note that I'm not sure this is what should be done, just being cautious.

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Ghaleon · « **Reply #416 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:24:27 PM »

Quote from: Taishyr on February 24, 2010, 06:15:06 PM

In spoilers, just because both are aftergame fights, even if plotless, Sashiromiya Sasha. Note that I'm not sure this is what should be done, just being cautious.

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Baal Avatar: Uh... wait until F25. Seriously. The gimmick he has (attack doubles after each Demon Slashing Dance, this stacks, this does not wear off) is really brutal unless you get lucky or can kill him fast. Surviving the third DSD is unlikely to happen. In addition killing him is... kinda pointless until F25. Wait till then, really.

Bloody Papa: If you can beat the final, this... should tentatively be doable? 1M HP, IIRC, but great defenses, so the trick is to bring in ITD magic or high-impact damage. I recommend Tenshi/Rinnosuke/Yukari/Kaguya for this reason; Tenshi has a chance of debuffing and keeping the damage low, Rinnosuke has WSMR to bolster the team, Yukari (or Aya, or Sakuya, really) get Kaguya more turns, Kaguya smashes up Bloody Papa with Hourai Barrages. Swap in Reimu instead of the 3rdslot person for buffing/healing if you feel it better.

Pretty sure that boss has high mnd and ordinary Def, so just use physical dpsers..

But for the first boss, yes, don't bother attempting it seriously until 25F or so, it's just not worth it.

Serela · « **Reply #417 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on February 24, 2010, 09:24:27 PM

Pretty sure that boss has high mnd and ordinary Def, so just use physical dpsers..

But for the first boss, yes, don't bother attempting it seriously until 25F or so, it's just not worth it.

It should also be very susceptible to debuffs, not a 100% chance to hit like on Yukari, but only 18% chance a debuff will miss which is pretty damn good. Landing a 50% SPD debuff should massively help, especially considering it doesn't have a large amount of HP.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #418 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:34:04 PM »

Quote from: NeoMargatroid on February 24, 2010, 09:30:01 PM

It should also be very susceptible to debuffs, not a 100% chance to hit like on Yukari, but only 18% chance a debuff will miss which is pretty damn good. Landing a 50% SPD debuff should massively help, especially considering it doesn't have a large amount of HP.

Just to clarify, you're talking about the 20F boss. Not the 21F.. The 21F boss is quite difficult to debuff.

Maiden Synnae ミ☆ · « **Reply #419 on:** February 24, 2010, 09:43:26 PM »

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED? ALL MY CHARACTERS RETURNED TO LEVEL 0!! SOMEONE HELP ME!! T_T