Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[yoshicookiezeus]

Level 137? Get to the final boss already! You should be able to win by now XD

Well, I just ran into her by accident, and things went much better than I would have thought they would given that I didn't have my boss-fighting party. Managed to get her to summon all her three... things, and did quite a bit of damage to the top one before my only healer Meiling bit the dust. Still managed to survive for quite some while with Reimu and Mr. Guy until they both got DTHed by Hyperspace Slash (which, by the way, is officially the most awesome-looking attack I have seen so far). I'm going to explore the rest of floor 20, and then I'll allocate those two billion skillpoints and give her another try.

[AlexX Unlimited]

After much lazing floor 16 beech taken down. Details below:

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Followed the plan on page 1 of the second topic for taking her down. Tanks were Tenshi and Eirin. They did their job well. I learned I need to either raise Eirin's max SP or get her higher recovery, but other than that she never died and only left her slot to make room for the final assault to prevent Yukari from reaching her 3rd form, so I'm satisfied with the job.

I don't know what you guys are talking about when you say Orin isn't good against bosses. Yeah, her composite attack Blazing Wheel for nuking random mobs is useless against bosses, but if you've been focusing her level-ups and skillpoints in Attack, like you should, her Thousand Needle Mountain should do reasonable damage. She pinged Yukari for around 15k-18k per shot, which made for some nice delay each turn while I kept prepping everything else for later with Ran's team-buffer and Reimu used her buff and healer to keep the main team healthy.

Marisa really redeemed herself for me this fight. She let loose a 100% and full-SP Master Spark before each barrier change. For the last one I combined her with Patchy and her Silent Silene and Nitori's Megawatt to try and take her down right away. I didn't, but I got very, very close. She only had about 50k HP left, which was a problem because her biggest moves made using stuff that could finish her an issue. I managed to wear her down with Chen a bit, but that barely did 9k per fight and Reisen wasn't able to cut her defenses fast enough. My casulties before everything was over were Reimu and... Tenshi. The issue here was that while Ran's team buffer kept everyone in reserve at 100% defense/Mdef and 100% attack/magic buff, the main team went through them kinda fast, so although I tried to buff everyone up before the last djinn storm, I didn't have much time... I needed Yukari to go down fast since Reimu and Ran were already out of SP and waiting to be able to recast the buffs could just have Yukari spam her debuffs to ruin it for me. As such, Tenshi was hit with minimal buffs and not enough SP to recast State of Enlightenment. At that point I sent in Meiling to take her place and tried to go all-out, but Yukari's attacks were too much even for the people at 100%. However, I noticed Marisa, who had been sitting in reserve ever since the final assault attempt, had restored almost all her SP, meaning she could cast another decently-powered Master Spark. When I pulled her out she had ~68% of her magic buff left, but rather than waste SP concentrating I let loose the spark yet again and it did about 60k damage, which more than assured Yukari wouldn't survive.

I plan to use the new character later, but unfortunetly the issue mentioned before has indeed came up again... I'll need to do some skillpoint level grinding just to get her up to par with the rest of the team. I plan to make her another tank and replace Yuugi with her due to too many bosses using magic (poor Yuugi).

[Jaimers]

Oh man, 20F is  :*
I never though I would hear myself say this, but I'm actually enjoying grinding. 
Reimu level 105. I'm gaining levels left and right.

With some speed manipulation shenanigans, I figured out a pretty good strategy:

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First comes Rinnosuke doing World-Shaking Military Rule, right after that comes Marisa with a fully powered Master Spark right off the bat.
And then comes Flandre with an 80% buff Laveatein which KILLS EVERYTHING as it does more damage than freaking Master Spark and is multi-targeted.

So yeah, let's explore 19F now. 

[Rikter]

Well I beat

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Suwako

she was easy after a little preparation. Was only a problem near the end with

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"Froggy braves the Elements"

and once after the second

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Mugeshami-sama

Now I can't decide who to replace on my team...

[Barrakketh]

Whoops.

Anyway, any level recommendations for

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Sanae's

Foe?

[Jaimers]

lol, 10 minute grind, gain 4 levels.

Man, these 20F guys drop some amazing items.  :*
+92% ATK and +72% MAG? That's being awefully generous here.

Anyway, any level recommendations for

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Sanae's

Foe?

I beat it after completing the 10F-12F maze, but before fighting the 12F boss.
I'm pretty sure you can beat it sooner than that though.

[MysTeariousYukari]

To be honest

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Suwako is good, but I wouldn't make it a habit of using her. If you want to use her, then Level Ups should go into ATK and not MAG. This is because her Iron Ring and her Croaking Frog use ATK while her multi-targets use MAG.

lol, 10 minute grind, gain 4 levels.

Man, these 20F guys drop some amazing items. :*
+92% ATK and +72% MAG? That's being awefully generous here.

That one item tends to be the hardest to get out of all the drops... unless you count the Ribbon from one of the other 20F trash. Another drop on 20F has the stats ATK, DEF, MND and SPD +72%, which is probly better for overall compared to the 96%-72%

[Ghaleon]

Lol, everyone thinks scourge is amazing, but it's really one of the least useful items from that floor IMO. Though it has mag which the other items lack. Still though, most mag users don't benefit a whole lot form the 92% attack, and the number of composite attacks is few (and most that do use them as a main attack are more for utility purposes than actual damage).

Armands however is just plain bad >=P.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Armands however is just plain bad >=P.

Yeah, Armads is bad, unless you need the WND Aff and some ATK at the same time, but even then the thing is still pretty fail. Scourge is ok on

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Flandre

, but she would be better off with a Blue Saber or 2 and maybe a Ribbon/Star of Elendil. Meiling could use a Scourge nicly now that I think about it, since Meiling uses ATK and MAG when she heals and on top of that, Meilings ok dps gets better.

[Ghaleon]

Yeah, Armads is bad, unless you need the WND Aff and some ATK at the same time, but even then the thing is still pretty fail. Scourge is ok on

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Flandre

, but she would be better off with a Blue Saber or 2 and maybe a Ribbon/Star of Elendil. Meiling could use a Scourge nicly now that I think about it, since Meiling uses ATK and MAG when she heals and on top of that, Meilings ok dps gets better.

I'd rather have a tank drop on Meiling, or if you really wanted to increase her healing abilities, the flower blade. It has as much atk as scourge has mag. so you lose 92 atk, but you get the speed and defense and mnd as well. And def and mnd on a a tank is more important IMO.

But yeah, scourge is good on Flandre. Though starbrow break doesn't even use her mag does it? So for bosses flower blade is prob better again.

Anyway scourge is hardly the most rare drop. It's actually tied with 3 others as the most common. the thing is diamond knights just seem to spawn less often than the other mobs. Ribbon is the rarest, fllowed by palisen files and karen device (Which are tied).

[Serela]

Ribbon is the rarest, fllowed by palisen files and karen device (Which are tied).

Oh wow, I got all three of those from 20F drops before I got ANY of the 20F-drop-exclusive items  :V

I didn't get all the 20F-exclusive items until lv210 though so, yeah... ;-;

Just reached 26F, whee.

[MysTeariousYukari]

I merely said that Scourge would be good on

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Flandre

cause her 2nd and 3rd spells use ATK and MAG, and Scourge boosts both. The DEF and MND boosts from Flower Blade are negligible on

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Flandre

anyway due to her poor DEF and non-existant MND, but I guess they would help a bit. I would just get her a Blue Saber or 2 and toss her a Ribbon/Star of Elendil.

Ribbon being so rare is helped a bit by 1 being treasure on 13F or 14F... I forget which had it.

[Barrakketh]

Quick question: do the switches for the 10F-12F puzzle reset if you return to Gensokyo?

[Kanako Yasaka]

no

EDIT: Beat ya to it, OKUU

[MysTeariousYukari]

Nope. They do NOT reset.

[Barrakketh]

Wording on one of the wiki pages made me wonder, but I guess it was warning you of one long chain of switch-flipping.

I found a Blade Cuisinart as an enemy drop on 11F and updated the wiki accordingly.

Also, any notable enemies on 11F and 12F to be wary about?  Those damned shadow cats turned up on 11F, and one enemy (don't remember which) can inflict DTH.  I assume the Anguished Crier palette-swap has an equally annoying attack if you let them live long enough.  I'm actually surprised that a good portion of the enemies have enough health and/or resists that Marisa and Patchy aren't mowing through them now.

On the previous floors a few levels was enough to ramp up the damage to a point where only the really resistant enemies (like these Vortexes) or those with dumb amounts of health (Pressure, those Hammerheads that I'm now seeing) would live and one of the characters that did single target damage would clean up the stragglers.  Now I'm actually having to use two characters with all/row attacks to finish battles quickly.

[Ghaleon]

Wording on one of the wiki pages made me wonder, but I guess it was warning you of one long chain of switch-flipping.

I found a Blade Cuisinart as an enemy drop on 11F and updated the wiki accordingly.

Also, any notable enemies on 11F and 12F to be wary about?  Those damned shadow cats turned up on 11F, and one enemy (don't remember which) can inflict DTH.  I assume the Anguished Crier palette-swap has an equally annoying attack if you let them live long enough.  I'm actually surprised that a good portion of the enemies have enough health and/or resists that Marisa and Patchy aren't mowing through them now.

On the previous floors a few levels was enough to ramp up the damage to a point where only the really resistant enemies (like these Vortexes) or those with dumb amounts of health (Pressure, those Hammerheads that I'm now seeing) would live and one of the characters that did single target damage would clean up the stragglers.  Now I'm actually having to use two characters with all/row attacks to finish battles quickly.

Yeah, the game gets harder as you go further, kinda like they used to back in the old days, what a concept! I miss those days. *hugs his copy of touhou laby until its eyes pop out*.

[Fishin]

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I don't know what you guys are talking about when you say Orin isn't good against bosses. Yeah, her composite attack Blazing Wheel for nuking random mobs is useless against bosses, but if you've been focusing her level-ups and skillpoints in Attack, like you should, her Thousand Needle Mountain should do reasonable damage. She pinged Yukari for around 15k-18k per shot, which made for some nice delay each turn while I kept prepping everything else for later with Ran's team-buffer and Reimu used her buff and healer to keep the main team healthy.

Doing less than 20k per hit to the 16F boss is kind of unimpressive taking into account

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Orin's

below average durability.  Your dedicated attackers will probably be moving slightly less but should be doing at least twice twice that per hit, probably more.

Anyways, I've finally reached Mr. 18F.  His first form is wrecking my party with Start of Heavenly Demise/whatever fist.  Once he switches forms it becomes easier but I tend to lose most of my characters in that first form, so eh.  I'm considering forming a party of 3 attackers and 16F so I can have everyone act twice if they survive the first hit, which will hopefully be enough to pull me through.  Reimu is lv 90 right now.

[nintendonut888]

Oh man, 20F is  :*

I know! And you never stop gaining levels like crazy until long after you stop being at a reasonable level to defeat the final boss. Enjoy!

[Kanako Yasaka]

02:07] <Face> Mr. Man's forest is painful ish
[02:07] <Face> but Nature is by no means his toughest form
[02:07] * AhKi advises all to mind the gap.
[02:07] *** AhKi changed nick to Marisa-InStudy
[02:07] <Face> IMO it's CLD :|
[02:07] <Miles-Nutworth> Knock it out in a single step
[02:09] <Face> I also don't like FIR form
[02:09] <Face> because of lack of CLD nukes
[02:10] <VanilmirthHime> Ako ay buong pusong naniniwala sa kasabihan na ito.
[02:10] <Marisa-InStudy> buong
[02:10] <Marisa-InStudy> best word ever.
[02:10] <Face> bing bong
[02:10] <Marisa-InStudy> Good night.
[02:11] <Face> I like nanininininininiininininninininwala
[02:11] <VanilmirthHime> Night AhKi
[02:12] <VanilmirthHime> At alam kong ito ay makakamtan natin sa pamamagitan ng isang mabuting edukasyon.
[02:12] <Face> omg
[02:12] <Face> I know one word in filipino
[02:12] <Face> edukasyon is education
[02:12] <Face> holy shit!!!!!!!
[02:13] <VanilmirthHime> Naniniwala akong sa tulong ng ating mga kabataan matutupad  ddin ang pangarap ng bawat Pilipino na darating ang araw na ang Pilipinas ay magiging isang dakilang bayan kung saang wala ng taong maghihirap
[02:13] <Face> CLD form knocked Yuugi, Marisa, and someone else out
[02:13] <Face> ugh
[02:14] <Face> Also, Reimu is MVP for this fight.
[02:14] <Face> She tanks the shit out of everything and buffs and heals
[02:16] <Momiji> off to bed, g'nite o/
[02:17] <Face> come on
[02:17] <Face> one last SS
[02:17] <Face> You can do it!!!!!
[02:17] <Face> YESSSSSSSSS
[02:18] <Face> :D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:D:d
[02:18] <Face> D:D:D::DD:d;
[02:18] <Face> d
[02:18] <Face> ;d:D:;d
[02:18] <Face> D:D:
[02:18] <Face> d;d;d;
[02:18] <Face> ;DD:D:
[02:18] <Face> d
[02:18] <Face> d;
[02:18] <Face> d;
[02:18] <Face> dD::DD
[02:18] <Face> d;lfksd;lf
[02:18] <Face> most nervewraktingk fvidtory evetr imy siltl chskaing*
[02:19] <AF_sleepz> lkjo;ij;o
[02:21] <Face> Lmfao  Lady Rinnosuke
[02:22] <Face> floor 19 better be the best thing ever
[02:22] <Face> ok
[02:22] <Face> so
[02:23] <Face> which stats should I boost Mr. Man in
[02:23] <Face> ATK and DEF/MND?
[02:23] <Face> so he can tank
[02:23] <Face> after buffinf

*Most nervewracking victory ever I'm still shaking

[AlexX Unlimited]

Doing less than 20k per hit to the 16F boss is kind of unimpressive taking into account

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Orin's

below average durability.  Your dedicated attackers will probably be moving slightly less but should be doing at least twice twice that per hit, probably more.

Mine had some pretty decent MND on her (only a bit lower than my slot 2 tank, in fact), which means with Raymoo and goldenbitch's buffs she could easily stay out and get a good amount of hits in. Not my strongest attacker, but still pretty reasonable.

I could have used a number of other attackers, namely Patchy and Aquabitch (Chen is too weak), but I was saving them for the big nuke at the end, which means I had to get them to 100% ATK/MAG and keep them there until right before the boss's final form.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Isn't Scourge supposed to be one of those super-rare items that everyone has a lot of trouble getting? Because I just got two in the span of fifteen minutes...

EDIT: AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH

Having gotten rid of all three of the final boss's summons without too much trouble (apart from forgetting to switch

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Flandre

out in time and promptly losing her at an early stage of the battle) and having dealt quite a bit of damage to her, she pulls out Flux of Something or Another and DTHs Reimu and Mr. Guy. Things only went downhill from there... Why was Reimu holding an Omiokane's Insight instead of something useful anyway?

[Serela]

...on my first encounter in 26F, I get an Ultimate ZUN Hat.

On the next encounter I get PAR lockdown instantly and lose.

Apparently, Reimu lv245 isn't enough for this floor. And AUUUUGH MY ULTIMATE ZUN HAT ;-;

[yoshicookiezeus]

YES

With a little bit more strategy and carefulness (and Reimu level 152), fighting the final boss went much better. Only lost Remilia,

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Tenshi

, and

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Rinnosuke

, and had no casualties at all until the three summons had gone down.

And now to explore the post-game content.

[Jaimers]

Beat 19F without breaking a sweat. Not even that Cosmic guardian was any threat, beat it on my first attempt. Although this could have been because

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Flandre

was hitting for 100k a hit.  :V

Went to check out the final boss and got to see all three limbs before they all overwhelmed me.
Oh well. Grinding is pretty fun on 20F anyway~

Level 123 at the moment.

[MysTeariousYukari]

FYI Everyone, the reccomended level for the Final Boss is Reimu Lv 140-150. But this is no problem since 20F can send to to Reimu Lv 200-ish without TO much trouble. I am saying this so that you'll know what level to be.

[Serela]

Still, beating it at 130~135 is totally doable without trouble, depending on your party.

[MysTeariousYukari]

True, but luck is a bigger factor at the point. If the boss uses any of it's more BS moves, your in trouble.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Went back to the earlier floors, recruited

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Mystia

(whose portrait is absolutely adorable, by the way), completely obliterated the Bloodstained Seals on 1F and 6F, and defeated Rumia, Youmu and Cirno v2. I then proceeded to run into

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Flandre

, and promptly got my party wiped in a few turns.

Also, oh god floor 20 has bosses absolutely everywhere now.

And what about these stars? Given the blue orb things I can currently use, I apparently have two of them, but is there anywhere I can actually check them? And for that matter, what exactly do I need to do to get more?

[Serela]

Went back to the earlier floors, recruited

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Mystia

(whose portrait is absolutely adorable, by the way), completely obliterated the Bloodstained Seals on 1F and 6F, and defeated Rumia, Youmu and Cirno v2. I then proceeded to run into

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Flandre

, and promptly got my party wiped in a few turns.

Also, oh god floor 20 has bosses absolutely everywhere now.

And what about these stars? Given the blue orb things I can currently use, I apparently have two of them, but is there anywhere I can actually check them? And for that matter, what exactly do I need to do to get more?

Boss difficulty doesn't exactly scale by floor, by the way; Chen on 18F is loleasy. And you get another star for...

Beating all Ver.2 bosses
Beating the 5 Bloodstained Seals
Getting all 100 items (things to worry about getting are 20F rare drops, 100th item is from Boss Rush)

You see them in Akyu's House now. (Save place)