Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[Kanako Yasaka]

I guess Reimu Level 98 still isn't enough to beat Mr. Man.

SoHD is still too devestating.

[Garlyle]

I guess Reimu Level 98 still isn't enough to beat Mr. Man.

SoHD is still too devestating.

Do you know how depressing this is to hear?

...Because I'm at F18, about halfway through, and my Raymoo's only about level 81.

I don't wanna have to grind 15-20 levels, not yet!  D:

[nintendonut888]

I guess Reimu Level 98 still isn't enough to beat Mr. Man.

SoHD is still too devestating.

Focus your skill points on defenses. Both of them, since it's a composite attack.

FYI, Reimu was exactly level 100 when I beat him.

[Serela]

Reimu lv130. Final Boss Ver.2 taken out <3

The top support used Rankain instantly, I pulled out Marisa to MASTER SPAAAARK it, and the battle went smoothly into the third phase, no deaths.

Well, it went pretty downhill from there, but she doesn't seem to have nearly as much HP (comparatively, of course) as she does the first time you fight her. Still a pretty difficult fight, her worst 3 moves (Djinn Storm, Buff, and her big nuke) were all used very often. Really hurts D:

Now to blow 4 million skillpoints on my two new characters, and decide who to kick out!

[MysTeariousYukari]

Shikieiki Neoxanadu, the point of my testing was to Prove or Disprove the statement "The Rankian that does damage is a game over". I have seen for myself that it's not a Game Over, which was what I was aiming for.

[Kanako Yasaka]

Do you know how depressing this is to hear?

...Because I'm at F18, about halfway through, and my Raymoo's only about level 81.

I don't wanna have to grind 15-20 levels, not yet!  D:

You thought grinding for

Spoiler:

Eientei or Yukari

was bad? This is by FAR the biggest grind wall so far.

[Garlyle]

You thought grinding for

Spoiler:

Eientei or Yukari

was bad? This is by FAR the biggest grind wall so far.

...You don't think I actually grinded for either of those fights, do you? 8D

[Kanako Yasaka]

Well still, have fun grinding!

IMO he's the hardest boss so far (bloody seals don't count.)

[Ghaleon]

Well still, have fun grinding!

IMO he's the hardest boss so far (bloody seals don't count.)

I found Yukari to be much harder. I thought 18F boss was one of the easiest personally. Just rush past his first phase and he's cake IMO. Don't horde a master spark for the end, use it at the start, he has so many hp, you'll be able to use it again at the end (probably could 3 times, but it's prob not worth the risk)

[Kanako Yasaka]

16F was pretty hard but 18F is all sorts of hatred.

By the way, I remember people talking about his portrait or whatever. What's so bad about them again? I think they're both pretty good for TL portraits.

I've only actually fought him twice so maybe it's not a matter of level but rather it's a matter of strategy or whatever.

[Garlyle]

Well, I can officially confirm I have a 0% chance of beating the F18 boss.  With that said I've made it there at level Reimu 84.  Even my highest level character falls underneath of the lowest recommended level.  ...So Yeah.

While I'd like to say I can maybe just power through this one, it's not gonna happen.  Start of Heavenly Demise is basically a death sentence to all but Meiling and maybe Komachi or

Spoiler:

Yukari

on a good day with buffs.  And he's just way too fast and I can't debuff this bastard.

...So yeah.  I guess it will be grinding time for me afterall.

...Tomorrow.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Speaking of Start of Heavenly Demise: is there any sort of pattern as to when the boss uses it? It is always very annoying when he decides to attack with it just when I have switched in one of my more fragile people for healing or nuking.

And does he ever use Ratetsu Fist in his elemental forms? If not,

Spoiler:

Tenshi

might have some use in this battle after all...

[Ghaleon]

Speaking of Start of Heavenly Demise: is there any sort of pattern as to when the boss uses it? It is always very annoying when he decides to attack with it just when I have switched in one of my more fragile people for healing or nuking.

And does he ever use Ratetsu Fist in his elemental forms? If not,

Spoiler:

Tenshi

might have some use in this battle after all...

I don't think he does. If he does, it's very rare. That's why I felt hte battle was so easy, he really seems to turn "off" his ability to cast his nasty spells during elemental forms. As long as you survive the start without too many casualties you shouldn't have much trouble IMO. While he can cast some big nukes later on in the fight, it shouldn't be half as bad since you SHOULD have defensive buffs later on in the fight from hakkurei barrier or whatever. You can never get one up in time before his big opener though IIRC.

[trancehime]

Speaking of Start of Heavenly Demise: is there any sort of pattern as to when the boss uses it? It is always very annoying when he decides to attack with it just when I have switched in one of my more fragile people for healing or nuking.

And does he ever use Ratetsu Fist in his elemental forms? If not,

Spoiler:

Tenshi

might have some use in this battle after all...

Rasetsu Fist is only active in his first form.

Things to watch out for in the elemental forms, they are listed NOT NECESSARILY because of damage, but because of their secondary effects:
Fire - Exploding Sword (Physical)
Ice - Sealing Flash (MUT)
Wind - God Thunder (DEF Down + PAR)
Nature - Hazard Toxin (Med power PSN)
Mystic - Mirror Illusion (Complete stat bust), Magic Drain (SP = 0)
Spirit - Sealing Flash (MUT), Vicissitudes of Yomotsuhirasaka (DTH)
Final Form - World-Shaking Military Rule (Self-buff, all stats+66%)

[yoshicookiezeus]

Reimu level 110. LET'S DO THIS

EDIT: yay

Only two causalities (

Spoiler:

Suwako and Komachi

), and took him down in one MASTER SPARK after he used World-Shaking Military Rule... I feel that I might have overleveled a bit...

[Rikter]

Why do I keep seeing screenshots with a much larger font for this game and how do I use it?

Also how much HP do these Spirits I need to defeat even have?

[Barrakketh]

Why do I keep seeing screenshots with a much larger font for this game and how do I use it?

Also how much HP do these Spirits I need to defeat even have?

In the patch directory (the one linked on the wiki) the font is hgrpp1.ttc.  Copy it to your fonts folder.  It didn't work for me without AppLocale.

[Serela]

Yes, you have to have Japanese locales enabled or use Applocale. If you want to activate japanese locales, go into Control Panel, "Language and Regional Options" or something like that, and find "Language for Non-Unicode Programs" in one of the tabs.

[Rikter]

Okay I copied the Font over and now the game just crashes... And yes I am using applocale.

[Serela]

Okay I copied the Font over and now the game just crashes... And yes I am using applocale.

Maybe you copied it wrong >:

Because the game WILL crash if you play it with japanese locales/applocale on and that font isn't installed

[Barrakketh]

Okay I copied the Font over and now the game just crashes... And yes I am using applocale.

Did you also install the other font (dfminc.ttc)?  I have both installed, and I've seen reports that the game will crash without it.

[Kanako Yasaka]

Everyone who started after me is passing me. >_>

I don't know if that makes me sad or proud.

[Jaimers]

Reimu level 90.

Made it to Mr. Man's fourth form this time. It was a lost cause though, as I lost Reimu early on.
What element he changes into seems to be random...
How much health does his first form have? Because I want to get rid of that form as fast as possible. Probably with a subpar Master Spark if that's what it takes.

But yeah, I'm probably going to go for level 95 before I try again.

[Axel Ryman]

I wondered what happened to the thread since I wasn't getting notifications. :V

Made it to the final floor and....

Spoiler:

Got owned by the 2 side bosses, then eventually beat them. Two Hibachi-sama's were annoying though since I didn't have anyone in my party at first that ignored DEF/MND, and could only take out the Pink one. Purple one would eliminate everyone, especially those who could damage him(Which was...Marisa...and Not-Reimu). Eventually won when I added Eiki and Utsuho to my party though I got a bit lucky(Utsuho and Eiki were gone, but I threw in Marisa, used Concentration,then Master Spark, and managed to kill the Purple Hibachi. I think Buddha's Stone Bowl helped here too..or maybe it was against the final boss?). The other boss(Storm of Chaos I think?) was a bit annoying and I only tried once before he eliminated Chen, taking out my main damage dealing force, and killing me, but with an added Eiki, Utsuho, and a more buffed up Flandre(She wasn't too strong before, dealing a small 100k damage per Starbow Break), I won.

Now reached...Winner? That's a funny name.  I only tried maybe once or twice but he eliminated most of my party till Tenshi remained, barely taking much damage at times. Then he did some attack to kill her. Didn't see it sadly. So now I'm doing a bit of extra training make everyone more stronger, and hoping to get Chen to deal 2 million damage per hit(Currently 1mil unbuffed and around 2mil with the buff).Thank goodness for the macro I made to distribute Skill Points and level bonuses faster and save my fingers.

[Serela]

K, when I do my sub-par party thing, I believe I'll use a party of

Reimu(MAG)
Remi(DEF) 1st slot tanker
Sakuya(DEF) 2nd slot tanker
Cirno(ATK or possibly HP since her damage is crappy anyway and she dies in like 1 hit)
Minoriko(MND if her heal is still good that way, might have to leave her out for healing/buffing a good bit)
Youmu(ATK)
Rumia(MAG)
Wriggle(DEF) 2nd slot tanker
Iku(I don't fucking know okay)

Spoiler:

Sanae(MAG)
Nitori(ATK)
Reisen(MAG)

The stat in parenthesis are their level-up bonus stats for this.

Reimu, Minoriko, Sanae, and Remi are the non-bad characters here. Because I NEED to have Remi for 1st slot tanking in this and I bet I'll need all the healing/defmnd buffing I can get. None of them can deal great damage anyway (Remi's damage will be a ton worse w/o ATK levels)

Also, for the people taking DEF level ups, I'm not sure if I should add MND level ups (seeings as all the tough bosses=mostly MAG attacks) and if so, how much... because they NEED to be able to take a major physical hit.

[Ghaleon]

K, when I do my sub-par party thing, I believe I'll use a party of

Reimu(MAG)
Remi(DEF) 1st slot tanker
Sakuya(DEF) 2nd slot tanker
Cirno(ATK or possibly HP since her damage is crappy anyway and she dies in like 1 hit)
Minoriko(MND if her heal is still good that way, might have to leave her out for healing/buffing a good bit)
Youmu(ATK)
Rumia(MAG)
Wriggle(DEF) 2nd slot tanker
Iku(I don't fucking know okay)

Spoiler:

Sanae(MAG)
Nitori(ATK)
Reisen(MAG)

The stat in parenthesis are their level-up bonus stats for this.

Reimu, Minoriko, Sanae, and Remi are the non-bad characters here. Because I NEED to have Remi for 1st slot tanking in this and I bet I'll need all the healing/defmnd buffing I can get. None of them can deal great damage anyway (Remi's damage will be a ton worse w/o ATK levels)

Also, for the people taking DEF level ups, I'm not sure if I should add MND level ups (seeings as all the tough bosses=mostly MAG attacks) and if so, how much... because they NEED to be able to take a major physical hit.

Good luck with that. I think you'll have a hard time with the tank situaiton more than anything personally.  Iku is going to end up being relatively valuable with that setup though I rekon. You might also want more mnd resistant levelups on non-tanks because the only thing you're going to accomplish by having everyone squishy to magic is forcing yourself to grind more for each boss I think.

[Garlyle]

How far do you plan on taking that sub-par party?

Because I can guarantee you that I've almost never removed Cirno from my party during the main game.  She may be suboptimal in a NG+ due to

Spoiler:

Mystia

but if you're only planning on going to the standard final boss...

(Beside that, anything that's open to debuffs can be very quickly hit with a maximum SPD Debuff by Cirno, which is a huge advantage on a number of hard bosses)

I've also seen Youmu's secret use recently - her ability to focus for double the normal value means that with the right setup she can recover her full SP count in two Focuses.  Guess who's now almost unaffected by Djinn Storms?

Anyway yeah.  You have Cirno and Sakuya.  Be prepared for massive Speed Advantage which is gonna help out a lot.

[Serela]

How far do you plan on taking that sub-par party?

Unless I get completely stumped at a boss and have to face unrealistic amounts of grinding if I want to get past it, I'd be going for Final Boss. No Plus-Disk stuff though (most likely not, at least)

And actually, most of my squishy characters have an at least decent MND stat. Youmu/Cirno/

Spoiler:

Reisen

are the ones with bad MND, but I might go for HP bonus on Cirno (is her damage enough late-game for ATK levels to be worth it?) and Youmu has great HP so she takes a hit from MAG, and the third, well... blah, at least she has good SPD and a self-buff on all stats.

But yeah, I'm wondering how many (if any) MND levels I should be putting on my tanking characters. They NEED to be able to take major physical hits and are not ideal tanks, thankfully they both have 100~ level up rate and a MND growth of 7, which means their MND isn't bad at all.

Oh, and I'm not sure what to do with Iku. I'll probably mostly use her for buffing my (mostly squishy) damage dealers, which means she'll probably end up in 3rd (possibly 2nd) place sometimes. Her attacking ability is okay, but I need her to survive for buffing, so I'm wondering if I should boost MND (this would give me a good 2nd slot tank for MAG-only bosses like 16F and most of the final boss) or boost her less-great DEF stat so she can take all kinds of hits well.

Then again, with my low amount of damage dealers I can only hope Cirno helps enough with random battles to make up for my boss-killing-oriented party. Giving Iku MAG might be helpful for that... but... gah.

Maybe giving her MND for a MAG tanker against certain bosses would be best. 3rd doesn't get hit by physical attacks too often anyway, and she shouldn't usually get 0hkoed by them.

Also, sub-par is also meaning basically "all the characters most people agree to not be very good and don't use". Of which I'm using almost all of them save maybe 2 or 3, all that I can while still having a possibility of winning without mass grind.

[Kanako Yasaka]

Mr. Man is really really hard

[MysTeariousYukari]

Um... not to sound rude, but he wasn't that hard for me to beat "Mr. Man".

Spoiler:

It was just a matter of using Reimu and 16F in conjunction so the party has a full DEF/MND buff and is healed up. If your at a good level, most of his attacks shouldn't even hit 100, cept maybe sumthin-fist and maybe Start of Heavenly Demise during the Final Phase

To sum the fight up, if your have a full DEF/MND buff and your still getting slapped around, Grind Moar. :V