Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[Pesco]

siiiiighhhh... good grief.
Is that wink a volunteer? I'll try and fix it myself but I don't want to put myself thru that if you're already doing it, I'd shoot myself if I did it then found out it's already been done >=P.

I'll do it. At least then I've got every character mapped out for my own cheat table.

[Milkyway64]

Another thing I've been wondering...the wiki entry for Reisen mentions that the way the drop system works is that you have to kill her first if you want her drop.  Is there anything like that for random encounters to increase the likelihood of getting the drop from a specific enemy?

The deal with that is you can only have so many drops before every "slot" is taken. Reisen and her minions have a 100% drop rate for their items. Killing minions fills up your drop slots (3, IIRC) and makes Reisen's drop "discard."

[Ghaleon]

I'll do it. At least then I've got every character mapped out for my own cheat table.

Yay, thanks.

[Rikter]

So should I get my party to around level 32 for the fight with Tam's Foe? Because now it just seems like a major Luck fest.

[MysTeariousYukari]

I have just made it to 16F and of all bosses available to me, the only ones alive are

Spoiler:

Kaguya's Foe and Flandre. They are alive due to lack of BP on the characters needed, infact I have not used Sanae, Eirin, Reisen or Mokou at all this play

:sigh:

[nintendonut888]

VICTORY! Kind of like Eientei, that was such a decisive victory it was a little disappointing. Game over...

Stop looking at me.

I am NOT doing the plus disk!

X(

[Rikter]

VICTORY! Kind of like Eientei, that was such a decisive victory it was a little disappointing. Game over...

Stop looking at me.

I am NOT doing the plus disk!

X(

Donut that is akin to not doing extra in Touhou...

I am dissapointed in you.

Meanwhile Tam's Foe still manages to kill my entire party... I got one attempt where it did Flowing Hellfire 4 times in a Row...

[nintendonut888]

I actually wouldn't mind being forced into this if it weren't for the retarded final boss fight. I mean, grinding for over 200 levels is just beyond silly.

I am liking the post-game content though. All the little Touhous wandering around again like it ain't no thing. Also, curb stomped the first bloody seal. I wanna find the others now. :3

[Serela]

6F, 9F, and 20F for Bloodstained goodness!

And yeah, all the ver2 bosses around a few of the floors is pretty cool. And once you take care of all the bosses down there+boss rush, 21F+ opens up! ...well, it opens before then, but you won't high enough level yet.

Also, walk into 21F for a second and then pop into 1F for a new event right next to the entrance~

[Milkyway64]

Donut that is akin to not doing extra in Touhou...

This is so wrong on so many levels.

I thought Touhou Extras were full of tricks and tactics for you to figure out and slowly work your way to a victory. Plus disk bosses are ALL handled the same with levels being the deciding factor.

Bloody seal, ver.2 and boss rushes are still very fun, though.

[Serela]

Yeah, I believe someone said aiming for Final Boss Ver.2 as your superfinal instead of the 30F boss is a good idea. And if you keep playing and reach 30F, just stop there. Probably a good rule to follow.

At that point if you want to keep playing, start a new game and use different characters (also, the option of downloading that New Game+ save uploaded with all characters unlocked to make this more interesting)

[nintendonut888]

Good news: I quite suddenly have lost all urge to ever play again. See y'all, it's been real. o/

[MysTeariousYukari]

I have made it to 19F, wewt! :toot:

Your going to stop playing Labyrinth donut? :ohdear: I hope you got enjoyed the game

[Kanako Yasaka]

Reimu level 94, still not enough to beat Mr. Man.

[nintendonut888]

Oh yeah, it was real fun. It's just that my playing style kind of was made with the intention of the final boss being, ya know...final. I stopped leveling up anyone not in my active 12, I've thrown my default formation into something purely made for grinding floor 20, all of that was made with no intention of continuing after I beat

Spoiler:

Maribel

Besides, I saw Hibachi, my life is complete. 8D

Besides, I already know I would get no satisfaction from completing plus disk, only a "thank god that's done."

...Actually, where's the boss rush? I never found it. :S

Wait, it was right under the relay point lol. Oh fine, one last time~

[Pesco]

At that point if you want to keep playing, start a new game and use different characters (also, the option of downloading that New Game+ save uploaded with all characters unlocked to make this more interesting)

You might want to wait for me to fix the save before playing.

[Ghaleon]

You might want to wait for me to fix the save before playing.

*cracks whip* work faster knave.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Fixing the exp values was a buttload of "fun". Imagining you doing 6X the work (6 elements after all) is roffle >=P

[Pesco]

6 elements
5 resists
1 recovery rate
39 characters

...

[Ghaleon]

6 elements
5 resists
1 recovery rate
39 characters

...

holy shit, you mean the status debuffs are messed up too? ouch.
Forgot about t he recovery too. That will be extra fun, I mean, there are probably heaps of variables with the value of numbers between 8-20 >=P

[Pesco]

I don't need to search for individual numbers like that. Just going to hax myself the last item. Equip and search for huge hp values. Get my ref addresses for a char and the rest is just basic hex maths.

[trancehime]

Good news: I quite suddenly have lost all urge to ever play again. See y'all, it's been real. o/

Plus Disk is completely unnecessary and for a typical player it is quite unfun.

Unless you are a maso like me.

[MysTeariousYukari]

For Plus Disk, you could always do what I did for it, Cheat Engine!

Also

6 elements
5 resists
1 recovery rate
39 characters

...

Not every char is messed up on my file, in fact it's just the last 2 pages of characters that are messed up on my file. Thats 16 characters and a lot less work compared to, say... 39 characters :V

[Serela]

Not every char is messed up on my file, in fact it's just the last 2 pages of characters that are messed up on my file. Thats 16 characters and a lot less work compared to, say... 39 characters :V

Yeah, its only the last 2 pages; I'd never ever expect anyone to try to fix it if it was every single one.

[Pesco]

Found the reference addresses for all the characters. They're all over the place :/.

I'll get down to the real fixing by tomorrow. The save game will have 2 page 12 items revealed due to using those to find hp values.

[yoshicookiezeus]

Question: How many forms does the F18 boss have? I somehow managed to survive to the fourth form with Patchy and Reimu after the rest of my party got destroyed during the first, but after the third form change the remains of my party didn't last much longer... What level would be recommended for this battle, by the way?

[nintendonut888]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how the boss rush went.

I made it all the way to Mr. Man before realizing in advance I had neither the TP nor resources remaining to win, so I quit and watched the rest of the boss rush on Youtube. I wasn't missing anything.

I suppose the big reason I really don't want to do the plus disk is that there really doesn't feel like a point. What always kept me going in this game was knowing I was very gradually working towards a conclusive, final battle. Here, it's "here's some shit, go fight it." The motivation is gone, and the grindy nature of the game becomes more painfully apparent.

So yeah. Time to play something else. I do not regret any of the 62 hours it took to beat this game though, except for the 6 grinding for Mr. Man. That was just painful.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Question: How many forms does the F18 boss have?

18F boss has it's starting form, then a form for every element, then back to the starting form, thats a total of 7 forms.

*IF* you can hit hard enough, it is possible to beat it before it enters any of it's forms, but the requires plenty of grinding, porbly to Reimu Lv 120 or higher or sumthin. In my opinion, the battle is meant as a "battle of attrition", a battle meant to go on and on... I would just focus on surviving the bosses attacks and dealing some dmg out, and since survival should not be a problem if you properly leveled... :V

[Rikter]

So should I try Tam's Foe at level 30 or wait till level 35 to avoid the horrible luck I have with Flowing Hellfire?

[Barrakketh]

So should I try Tam's Foe at level 30 or wait till level 35 to avoid the horrible luck I have with Flowing Hellfire?

I think I did it at 29 (maybe 28).  Tam's Foe never did any consecutive Flowing Hellfires, just every three or four attacks.  Meiling, Remi, and Yuugi were all able to take the hit while wearing a Bomb Ring (they also had some +FIR added through skill points), for the last slot either get another character that can take the hit or a sacrifice that would be mostly useless for the fight.  My Minoriko was capable of fully healing everyone, Reimu would patch up the characters before (and sometimes after) a Flowing Hellfire as needed and buff them before it.

Just swapping out the squishies before the next Flowing Hellfire was enough to keep the casualties down to a minimum.  Immediately after a Flowing Hellfire I would usually switch in Minoriko since Remilia took the most damage from it (always had < 300 HP afterwards).

Having Aya and Sakuya buff your other character's speed is a good idea.  You don't need Aya out constantly but it helps immensely with your party's damage output (especially on Patchy), Aki's healing and buffing (it's low delay anyway), and letting your tanks attack/recover SP faster.

Wriggle is still useful for the fight.  Switch her in to apply Comet on Earth then get her out of there unless you want to use Butterfly Storm (I had other characters with SP that could do more damage).  Irremoveable Shackles is useful for the PAR, but I stuck with Supernatural Phenomenon most of the time because the damage is much better and the former's PSN is weaker than Wriggle's.

[Garlyle]

Question: How many forms does the F18 boss have? I somehow managed to survive to the fourth form with Patchy and Reimu after the rest of my party got destroyed during the first, but after the third form change the remains of my party didn't last much longer... What level would be recommended for this battle, by the way?

I'm not sure about recommended level, but like said, that boss goes through Neutral -> one form of every element -> Neutral again.  In each elemental form, the boss is weak to the opposite element - so focus on bringing along characters with strong elemental nukes.  If you're doing it right you should be able to burn through the HP of every elemental form very fast, then the final one should be Master Spark'd to oblivion.

Or so I've heard.

I'm still back on F16.  My computer's running Labyrinth at not-slowed-down speeds now for some reason so I think I can actually stomach some grind (As a note I made it this far with my computer jumping between 100% speed and about as low as 20% speed...) and take down the F16 boss and/or the F15 optional that I haven't taken down yet, as I've cleared pretty much everything else available at this point.  I've just been going through the game a tiny bit underlevelled (Mostly because I have never actually stopped to grind deliberately, just pressed through) and I want to fix that.


Also, for Tam's Foe, take Cirno in.  Not at the start, but once he uses Flowing Hellfire once.  Keep him in perpetual lockdown with PAR and Speed Down and you'll probably find he goes by way easier, because I remember being able to inflict those a lot.