Labyrinth of Touhou Discussion #3

[Serela]

Would that be level 1 with the experience or no?

I... don't know. I haven't personally done NG+ yet. I'd assume their EXP value isn't changed, but this means if you already leveled them up then you'll lose that.

[Rikter]

Hopefully none of the other characters have battle sprites as terrifying as Alice's when you have to beat her down.  It was pretty

It was the freakest thing I have ever seen in a touhou game...

Now why am I about to set it as my Avatar...

Anyways these Sword enemies on Floor 7 are annoying,

[Ghaleon]

Oh, since there's a few of you that have gotten a NG+ file with all the characters...

Would anyone be nice enough to make a save file and upload it somewhere with everyone unlocked, but back at F1 (Basically a fresh NG+)?  For those of us who don't want to go through THE WINRAGER or want to mess around, etc. etc. ; it should work in 2.04, right?

Just curious.

Yeah sure, I'll do that now.

when I started a new game however, some of the characters had thousands of exp for some reason, just a heads up. so it'll take me awhile to cheat their exp back down to 0.

I also beat cirno in 2.04 after ng+ing. I was NOT using her in my party, so she was already level one. I DID however notice that her exp did NOT fall bakc down to 0, and I think she was one of hte few characters whose exp actually started at 0 when I NG+ed.. Though I'm not sure. anyway, after I re-recruited her, her exp was actually higher than everyone else who I wasn't using that didn't have the random thousands of exp at the beginning.

I think that when you re-recruit them in 2.04 it keeps their current exp, and then it re-assigns the 80% of reimu's exp thing, so you infact gain exp.. Not sure, just keep that in mind.

anyway I'm off to make the save file now, I'll post it on the front post when it's ready.

[Garlyle]

Yeah sure, I'll do that now.

when I started a new game however, some of the characters had thousands of exp for some reason, just a heads up. so it'll take me awhile to cheat their exp back down to 0.

I also beat cirno in 2.04 after ng+ing. I was NOT using her in my party, so she was already level one. I DID however notice that her exp did NOT fall bakc down to 0, and I think she was one of hte few characters whose exp actually started at 0 when I NG+ed.. Though I'm not sure. anyway, after I re-recruited her, her exp was actually higher than everyone else who I wasn't using that didn't have the random thousands of exp at the beginning.

I think that when you re-recruit them in 2.04 it keeps their current exp, and then it re-assigns the 80% of reimu's exp thing, so you infact gain exp.. Not sure, just keep that in mind.

anyway I'm off to make the save file now, I'll post it on the front post when it's ready.

Thanks a lot 8D

[Inactive person]

Would that be level 1 with the experience or no?

Either way I'm actually rather okay with that.  I still want a save file to mess around with, even if I have to swap over to 2.06 once in a while.

I think the exp will reset back up to the original.  It probably was a bug, but when I defeated Cirno in V2.06, my Cirno returned to lvl 1(I lvl up everyone for no reason), but I had enough exp to re-lvl her up to 9.

[Ghaleon]

Thanks a lot 8D

Ok sorry, I can't figure out the addresses for some of the character's exp. I zeroed out more than half of them, but the other half gives me thousands of resulsts with the same value (even wonky ones like 572846 ffs). and I can't exactly gain exp and re-search without undoing my OTHER zero'd characters. too lazy to re-do it at this point. I'll research when I just play naturally later on, and eventually I'll get all their addresses nailed, at which point I'll re-upload a better file where everyone is truly zero'd

Here's my fixed save file, everyone is 0 now, yay
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CJ38R646

It's save 2, so just rename it to 1 or 3 if you like.

edit: err, apparently using save 1 for the cheat file works better.. expect a fix soon.

I fixed it, re-uploaded. re-check link (it changed) for the better file

[Rikter]

How do I use this and what save will it overwrite in its present state? I want to try this using a party formed sole on if I like the character or not.
Nevermind got it to work...

Why do I want to try the game with a single crazily overly Skill Point buffed character now?

[Jaimers]

Welp, beat

Spoiler:

Orin, Great Stamp and Flandre

.
I have nowhere to go but to

Spoiler:

Yukari

. From what I've seen though, I can take her on.
I got to the part where she puts up the barrier.
Reimu is level 77 and Chen 84.

[MysTeariousYukari]

So Jaimers, you mean

Spoiler:

when she has used Djinn Storm like twice, starts using a crazy buff and then goes about kicking your ass? You basicly have to kill her before she does any of that last bit or you lose :ohdear: But thankfully, she only has 200k or so HP left when she does that.

[Anima Zero]

Been playing off and on here lately.  Reimu lv303, took out 27F boss.  Two tries and that was only because boss was a prick and Djinn Storm'd the party on it's 2nd turn.  Couldn't really mount a decent offense before getting wiped by Rankain (Oh wow now I know what that does if it's used several times in a row).

2nd attempt wasn't even that serious of a try.  Decides to start setting up its Rankain attack on its 2nd turn.  Good thing I knew that Reimu could take the attack with a little defense buffing.  Remi and 7F girl got kapwned, I swapped in 26F girl and someone else to start doing damage.

Eventually I brought in a MAG-buffed (~80% ish) Marisa to pull off Master Spark.  Did ~1m to boss...and it died?  Oh wow it did not have that much HP then because I don't think I did more than 3-4 mil HP of dmg (Can't remember) before that Master Spark.

Not complaining about the ZUN Hat drop, that's for sure.

Only thing I have left to do is try to figure out how I'm gonna deal with

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Utsuho

.  I tried once to fight her back before I took on 24F girl and got rolled in record time thanks to

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Explosion

doing way more damage compared to some of the stuff she pulled off previously and Game Over'ing after it got casted for the 2nd time.

I can only imagine a high FIR affinity is going to be needed.  Any little hints about this fight would be nice.

[Jaimers]

So Jaimers, you mean

Spoiler:

when she has used Djinn Storm like twice, starts using a crazy buff and then goes about kicking your ass? You basicly have to kill her before she does any of that last bit or you lose :ohdear: But thankfully, she only has 200k or so HP left when she does that.

Huh, she only used Djinn Storm once before she added a barrier to her sprite and buffed herself.  :/
Still had a Master Spark in reserve before she killed me and that would probably have been enough. >_>

By the way, how do you fire a Master Spark at 97% MAG? I use concentrate thrice, switch her out, but when I switch her back in, it's only something like 72%.

[Serela]

Huh, she only used Djinn Storm once before she added a barrier to her sprite and buffed herself.  :/
Still had a Master Spark in reserve before she killed me and that would probably have been enough. >_>

By the way, how do you fire a Master Spark at 97% MAG? I use concentrate thrice, switch her out, but when I switch her back in, it's only something like 72%.

Only once? ...ehehehehe :V

Also, buffs go down by one fifth each turn taken, so 80% is the most possible you can have when its your turn to move. 97% MAG in the back is the most realistic because of 3 concentrates, the fourth isn't worth it for like 2% more buff.

[nintendonut888]

Reimu level 129. :O I'm still not quite seeing how the fight is possible yet though; the limbs all become one big clusterfuck once the third is added, and I simply can't deal enough damage fast enough. At least grinding is easy~

[Serela]

Reimu level 129. :O I'm still not quite seeing how the fight is possible yet though; the limbs all become one big clusterfuck once the third is added, and I simply can't deal enough damage fast enough. At least grinding is easy~

Party DEF/MND buffs help. A lot. And try to get the top out of the way as fast as possible.

[Anima Zero]

Oh wow, after posting about

Spoiler:

Utsuho

, I prepped and went to try her for laughs.

...I won?  Geez late night attempts at stuff seems to go better than expected.

Had 5 KOs in the fight (Oh god

Spoiler:

Uncontainable Nuclear Explosion and Giga Flare

).

Oh well, new character get!  Guess I can now put full focus on exploring 28F and 29F now.

[Rikter]

Tam's Foe Kills my entire Party as soon as the battle starts...

Guess I should go get Yuugi now. Anyone have tips for her?

[Serela]

Tam's Foe Kills my entire Party as soon as the battle starts...

Guess I should go get Yuugi now. Anyone have tips for her?

At that level she should be easy. She almost always targets the leftmost slot though, and only has single target attacks. A buffed Meiling should take the hits until her rage phase.

[Rikter]

I tried fighting her and she teared through Meiling first thing with a lucky Supernatural Phenomenon.

Guess I need to distribute some Skill points and Items first.

[Garlyle]

I tried fighting her and she teared through Meiling first thing with a lucky Supernatural Phenomenon.

Guess I need to distribute some Skill points and Items first.

No, this is about right.  I was barely able to survive any attack for more than one turn - and even if you do survive Supernatural Phenomenon, she'll start doing Knockout In Three Steps soon - and frankly if you can survive that somehow, what the HELL is wrong with you you're way too overlevelled.

The main thing about Yuugi is that she's going to be picking off characters one by one.  She'll almost always target the front-most and with the exception of, well, pretty much Meiling alone, she'll be 1HKOing them whenever she uses Supernatural Phenomenon.  Your objective is just to tear through her HP as fast as you can and beat her down before she finishes you off.

[Rikter]

So when she starts spamming Knockout it means she's almost done? If so then I guess i'll need a little luck and hope my damage dealers don't die. Any idea on how much HP she has?

[MysTeariousYukari]

Very dangerous thing about Yuugi when you fight her, her Damage counts go up as her HP goes down.

[Kanako Yasaka]

That doesn't matter since she's probably going to one hit kill everyone anyway >_>;

[MysTeariousYukari]

Good point, but still worth notice. The dmg increase is truly batshit crazy though when fighting her Plus-Disk varient, 0-100 turning into 50k, 30k turning into 250k... that is not exactly a nice thing to see, especially when your strong enough to beat the True Final on your 1st try :ohdear:

[nintendonut888]

...

;-;

Spoiler:

Okay, I just blasted apart all of Mary's limbs, then...then...THAT. Overflowing Natural Power is bad enough, but having Djinn Storm as part of her regular lineup of attacks?! WTF? How much health does she have left at this point?

[MysTeariousYukari]

Donut... to much... way to much ;_;

Spoiler:

When I fought her, she got... *thinks carefully* 9 turns? or so before kicking it when she started that phase up. I got lucky as well, none of her worst moves came up, cept maybe for her Overflowing Supernatural I-am-a-jerk Power

[nintendonut888]

Way too much is right. Enough so that she must have over 1.5 million health left at that point, because she outlasted me after I raped her limbs. ;-;

[Barrakketh]

No, this is about right.  I was barely able to survive any attack for more than one turn - and even if you do survive Supernatural Phenomenon, she'll start doing Knockout In Three Steps soon - and frankly if you can survive that somehow, what the HELL is wrong with you you're way too overlevelled.

The main thing about Yuugi is that she's going to be picking off characters one by one.  She'll almost always target the front-most and with the exception of, well, pretty much Meiling alone, she'll be 1HKOing them whenever she uses Supernatural Phenomenon.  Your objective is just to tear through her HP as fast as you can and beat her down before she finishes you off.

I just went and beat Yuugi (I needed a few more battles).  Meiling and and Remilia were able to survive Supernatural Phenomenon, and thankfully she never focused on anyone other than those two.  Minoriko was able to easily keep up with healing, especially if I had Hakurei Barrier or Promise of the Wheat God up.

No one started dying until she started using Knockout In Three Steps, at which point she was able to one-shot Meiling (for about 3k damage, which is double her current HP).  Meiling wasn't really optimized for defense, right now she's using Unwavering Will x2 and a Hirami Lemon (just for the +rec, though if she can recover at least 40 SP now with Focus I'll swap it out).

At that point I just swapped some sacrifices into the first slot, used Aya and Sakuya to buff everyone's speed (Chen was my dedicated switcher), and burned her down.  Patchy did most of the work on that part, Silent Selene was doing about 5.2k or so damage.

[Ghaleon]

How do I use this and what save will it overwrite in its present state? I want to try this using a party formed sole on if I like the character or not.
Nevermind got it to work...

Why do I want to try the game with a single crazily overly Skill Point buffed character now?

Wait, my save file has skill levels on some of the characters?! gahh. I'll try and fix that too.

update: They're all zero for me.. You talkinga bout my save file? Everyone has 0 skill points and zero skill levels for me, does anybody else have that problem?

[nintendonut888]

Reimu's currently at level 135. I'm going to grind to level 140 before I try again. Also, the max level is now accurate, for I've stopped grinding anyone other than the 12 I'm using for time-based reasons. :V

I have the perfect strategy. Have Yukarin and Reimu defense buff, have ran spam her group buffs until they can completely rape the limbs once they come out. The only problem is that this strategy takes about 5 minutes to set up. :<

EDIT: Jesus, she has a high-damaging party-wide multiple debuff spell too? Ayayayayayayayayaya...I'm calling it a night. Reimu level 137. Sooner or later I'll get her...

The big problem is that no matter how high my level gets or what equipment I equip, I can't guard against Djinn Storm.

[Milkyway64]

Reimu's currently at level 135. I'm going to grind to level 140 before I try again. Also, the max level is now accurate, for I've stopped grinding anyone other than the 12 I'm using for time-based reasons. :V

I have the perfect strategy. Have Yukarin and Reimu defense buff, have ran spam her group buffs until they can completely rape the limbs once they come out. The only problem is that this strategy takes about 5 minutes to set up. :<

EDIT: Jesus, she has a high-damaging party-wide multiple debuff spell too? Ayayayayayayayayaya...I'm calling it a night. Reimu level 137. Sooner or later I'll get her...

The big problem is that no matter how high my level gets or what equipment I equip, I can't guard against Djinn Storm.

You'll get it eventually. Strategy >>>> levels in that fight IMO. Plan well and you can do it at the level you are at fairly easily, I'm betting.

Are you using your latest recruit? Try saving World-Shaking Military Rule until the final phase, abuse

Spoiler:

ran

while things are calm to keep the entire team powered up, paralyze and debuff her (yes, they work. Poison too.) and so on.

Of course, the more levels the better, but there are several things you can try that just might make the difference.