Author Topic: Black Stories ~ Touhou Edition - Case 20: Down to the bottom of Misty Lake!  (Read 55048 times)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #240 on: January 24, 2010, 05:24:42 PM »
Is the fact that it's specifically an iguana steak relevant?

Was the girl going to have an iguana steak without having been misled anyway?

Did the person know that the girl was going to or will have gone to have an iguana steak?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #241 on: January 24, 2010, 07:32:14 PM »
I'm going to try to crack this with one guess.

The woman was poor and near death, so she wanted to taste an expensive meal. Knowing she couldn't pay for it with nothing to lose, she leaped out in front of a car to avoid having to pay.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #242 on: January 24, 2010, 08:15:40 PM »
Was the person who suggested she eat the steak in the restaurant?

Is the kind of restaurant she went into relevant?
Did you bring a light?
...No...


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #243 on: January 24, 2010, 09:57:08 PM »
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Did the target taste have any effect beyond the enjoyment of the meal?
I'm sorry, might I ask you to elaborate a bit on this? I'm not sure I understand it completely and don't want to give a wrong answer.

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Did missing the target taste have any implications beyond enjoyment of the meal?
I do think I understand this one however, and it is a YES

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Was there any threat to her life that she thought there would be if she didn't manage to get a certain taste in the steak as told by the other person?
NO

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Was the other person a doctor?
NO

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Did the other person want her to die?
NO

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Is the fact that it's specifically an iguana steak relevant?
YES

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Was the girl going to have an iguana steak without having been misled anyway?
Probably YES

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Did the person know that the girl was going to or will have gone to have an iguana steak?
NO

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The woman was poor and near death, so she wanted to taste an expensive meal. Knowing she couldn't pay for it with nothing to lose, she leaped out in front of a car to avoid having to pay.
NO. I think it was said before that she did have the money to pay.

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Was the person who suggested she eat the steak in the restaurant?
WRONG ASSUMPTION

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Is the kind of restaurant she went into relevant?
NO. It offers iguana steak, that is enough.

Fightest

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #244 on: January 24, 2010, 10:07:43 PM »
Phew, so, once we know what the girl was expecting to taste, we'll probably have this one. Hmm.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #245 on: January 24, 2010, 10:11:12 PM »
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Was the person who suggested she eat the steak in the restaurant?

WRONG ASSUMPTION
Innnnnnnteresting.

Does she have multiple personality disorder?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #246 on: January 24, 2010, 10:13:54 PM »
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...Did she think it would taste like chicken?
Did you bring a light?
...No...


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #247 on: January 24, 2010, 10:24:31 PM »
Just to be clear, WRONG ASSUMPTION means there was a premise set in the question that is not true for the case or wasn't answered with YES. I'll leave it to you to find out what it was.

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Phew, so, once we know what the girl was expecting to taste, we'll probably have this one. Hmm.
There's more to it than just that, but it's the right general direction as you have noticed.

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Does she have multiple personality disorder?
NO

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...Did she think it would taste like chicken?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #248 on: January 24, 2010, 11:52:55 PM »
Did she expect it would taste worse?

Did she expect it would taste better?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #249 on: January 25, 2010, 01:14:57 AM »
Hmmm......
Did the other person add something to the steak?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2010, 01:37:38 AM by Thundr_Pwnage »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #250 on: January 25, 2010, 01:20:01 AM »
Was she a taste-tester?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #251 on: January 25, 2010, 05:57:50 AM »
Putting the important facts together(based only on answers given):

-Someone misled her about the taste of iguana steak, but did not want her to die, nor did they know she would have iguana steak
-The difference in taste between the expected and actual was directly connected with her committing suicide
-The other party is indirectly responsible for the suicide, therefore
-The other party was not present at the restaurant, nor was anyone there "in on it"
CONJECTURE: There was no "it" to be in on; they had no reason to expect she would suicide after a bite of iguana steak

I assume all of the above is correct?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #252 on: January 25, 2010, 06:44:28 AM »
Did the steak taste like a traumatic memory?
Did you bring a light?
...No...


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #253 on: January 25, 2010, 06:53:28 AM »
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Did she expect it would taste worse?
UNKNOWN

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Did she expect it would taste better?
UNNOWN

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Did the other person add something to the steak?
NO

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Was she a taste-tester?
NO

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-Someone misled her about the taste of iguana steak, but did not want her to die, nor did they know she would have iguana steak
-The difference in taste between the expected and actual was directly connected with her committing suicide
-The other party is indirectly responsible for the suicide, therefore
-The other party was not present at the restaurant, nor was anyone there "in on it"
CONJECTURE: There was no "it" to be in on; they had no reason to expect she would suicide after a bite of iguana steak
YES

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Did the steak taste like a traumatic memory?
Though the choice of words is a bit weird, I'll give this a YES

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #254 on: January 25, 2010, 07:07:37 AM »
did she know that she was going to die/commit suicide?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #255 on: January 25, 2010, 07:21:09 AM »
Gonna give it a shot, then...

In the past, our subject had eaten a meal, it doesn't matter what it was. When she ate it, something horrible happened afterward, either to her or someone else she knew. Time passed, and a friend suggested to her to try an iguana steak, but told her it tasted different than it really did. Girl goes over to restaurant, orders, steak, has a bite. Her memory of the event comes to her when she tastes the steak... Panicked and distressed, the girl runs outside and jumps into traffic to escape the pain.
Did you bring a light?
...No...


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #256 on: January 25, 2010, 02:53:13 PM »
Was she a criminal?

Did eating the steak remind her of a crime she did?

Was the other person that midlead the taste still alive?

Seeing if this is something like case 3. :V

I don't think we've actually asked this o_o
Have she ate an iguana steak before?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2010, 02:56:33 PM by Thaws »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #257 on: January 25, 2010, 04:58:29 PM »
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did she know that she was going to die/commit suicide?
NO

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In the past, our subject had eaten a meal, it doesn't matter what it was. When she ate it, something horrible happened afterward, either to her or someone else she knew. Time passed, and a friend suggested to her to try an iguana steak, but told her it tasted different than it really did. Girl goes over to restaurant, orders, steak, has a bite. Her memory of the event comes to her when she tastes the steak... Panicked and distressed, the girl runs outside and jumps into traffic to escape the pain.
NO It has to do something with an event in the past, that much is true. Also the last sentences, from 'Girl goes to restaurant...' onwards are also correct.

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Was she a criminal?
NO

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Did eating the steak remind her of a crime she did?
NO

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Was the other person that midlead the taste still alive?
IRRELEVANT

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Seeing if this is something like case 3. :V
Pukukuku. Don't take me lightly, dear players. There are indeed cases that share similar aspects, but I will not ask two of those that close to each other. Though remembering back on other cases is often a good tactic to get ideas.

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Have she ate an iguana steak before?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #258 on: January 25, 2010, 06:38:25 PM »
Did she eat an iguana before?  (It's not the same question!)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #259 on: January 25, 2010, 07:34:31 PM »
Sorry if I'm asking repeat questions

Is the [take a phrase from the list below] relevant?

Location of the scenario
Sequence of events (going to the restaurant -> ordering the steak -> etc etc)
Presence of the other person
Reason for why she ordered iguana steak
Taste of the steak

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #260 on: January 26, 2010, 06:58:30 AM »
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Did she eat an iguana before?  (It's not the same question!)
NO

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Is the [take a phrase from the list below] relevant?

Location of the scenario
NO

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Sequence of events (going to the restaurant -> ordering the steak -> etc etc)
NO. If she had gotten the steak any other way, things would probably have played out the same

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Presence of the other person
NO

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Reason for why she ordered iguana steak
Looking at my solution car, partly YES. There is something like a reason, though it is not necessarily vital for the case.

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Taste of the steak
YES

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #261 on: January 26, 2010, 08:04:41 AM »
Does eating the steak remind her of someone she knew?

Is that someone dead?

Does eating the steak remind her of a natural disaster?

Will knowing the specific taste of the steak help solve this case? (Like the steak is sweet, sour, etc)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #262 on: January 26, 2010, 08:24:13 AM »
Is the girl willingly choosing suicide as opposed to the circumstances killing her so she killed herself before it happens?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #263 on: January 26, 2010, 08:28:32 AM »
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Does eating the steak remind her of someone she knew?
NO

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Is that someone dead?
See above

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Does eating the steak remind her of a natural disaster?
NO

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Will knowing the specific taste of the steak help solve this case? (Like the steak is sweet, sour, etc)
NO

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Is the girl willingly choosing suicide as opposed to the circumstances killing her so she killed herself before it happens?
NO. She would have survived if not for the suicide.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #264 on: January 26, 2010, 08:31:19 AM »
Did she suicide out of guilt?

Did she suicide out of sorrow?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #265 on: January 26, 2010, 08:48:38 AM »
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Did she suicide out of guilt?
NO

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Did she suicide out of sorrow?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #266 on: January 26, 2010, 09:07:47 AM »
Pretty much have no clue about this... I'll just try some more emotions...

Will knowing how the girl felt when she suicide be helpful to solving this case?

Was she angry when she suicide?

Was she frustrated when she suicided?

Was she relieved when she suicided?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #267 on: January 26, 2010, 09:15:33 AM »
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Will knowing how the girl felt when she suicide be helpful to solving this case?
YES. But it is not necessarily vital. There are other ways to figure it out.

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Was she angry when she suicide?

Was she frustrated when she suicided?

Was she relieved when she suicided?
NO to all.

If I may give my opinion, please consider the following:
Look at what you know already.
Look especially at the questions I answered with yes or comented a bit on.
Try to connect all of those into a single summary and look at that.

I assure you that you already have enough clues to find out something vital.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #268 on: January 26, 2010, 10:14:54 AM »
We're quite Sana on this one. I think we've been asking too many specifics instead of broad-stroking general situations first.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #269 on: January 26, 2010, 11:26:34 AM »
I'm try investigating that traumatic experience...


Did she saw something die? (If yes,) Was it a person? Was it an iguana?

Did she suffer physical pain?

Did she suffer mentally?

Was the person that mislead her about the taste relevant to this experience?

 ??? ???