Author Topic: Black Stories ~ Touhou Edition - Case 20: Down to the bottom of Misty Lake!  (Read 70431 times)

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Greetings, Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am honored that you have followed my invitation.
I see before my eyes right now some of the finest detectives this world has to offer.
Now I am sure you wonder for what reason I might have called you.

Tonight, I shall present to you riddles, cases and mysteries that yearn for solution.
It shall be your task to take what I give you and work your way towards the truth.
So take a seat, have a tea and sharpen your minds, for our game shall begin now.




In this thread I want to invite all of you to play the game 'Black Stories', which I'm sure many of you know by a lot of different names.
I don't know if it'll be able to pick much interest, but there's no knowing without trying, right?

The game is simple: I will give you a short description of a case, only a bare minimum of facts.
Your goal is to resolve the case and find the truth behind the events there.
To reach that goal, you will ask me questions that I will answer, but I will only answer with 'Yes' or 'No'

So, here are the rules:
> Every question you give me must be answerable with 'Yes' or 'No'
> I will answer with 'Yes, 'No' or 'Irrelevant/ Unknown'
> To solve a case, simply state the truth of what happened
> There might be situations in which I may provide a little more information than just Y/N (i.e. if you're horribly stuck), but I will ask beforehand if you want me to reveal anything
> At points, it might be helpful for you to try and sum up the information you have gathered. I will then state whether your summary/ conclusion is correct
> Everyone may post as often and with as much questions as he/she wants to, even if I have not answered their previous question yet, but please don't overdo it (No 20 questions in one post, for example)
> I will try to answer as often as possible, but due to time zones I might not be around during the most active times. Please bear with me there.

>The riddles all consist of events that are possible, however often improbable, in the real world. Riddles where this the use of supernatural explanations is allowed will be specified as such.

> If you have a theory you want me to evaluate, you can state it in aqua. I will then answer if your theory is correct in red or tell you which parts are correct and which are wrong.
I will not force anyone to do it that way though, as not everyone likes Umineko references.


Some more meta information:
A number of those riddles might be widely known around the world, maybe with slight variations.
I won't be angry with anyone that asks questions but only realizes that they know the riddle already a bit later, but please don't post if you are sure you know the answer from the start.
If you are not sure if the riddle you know is the same one I'm asking, simply PM me.
If anyone knows a riddle he/she wants to let people solve, simply say so in the thread or PM me and I'll let you be the gamemaster once the current riddle is solved.




Alright, Ladies and Gentlemen,
excuse my lenghtly introduction, I must have bored you.
Now, let us begin the fun, shall we?
There are a large number of riddles I have ready for you, but let us start with a real classic to get your minds working.



First Case: The Man at the Window
A man looked out of a window.
A moment later, he shot himself.


Detective's Record:
Case 1 - The Man at the Window - SOLVED
Case 2 - Dead in the Desert - SOLVED
Case 3 - The Radio - SOLVED
Case 4 - Exotic Meal - SOLVED
Case 5 - Elevator and Stairs - SOLVED
Case 6 - The Sauna - SOLVED
Case 7 - A Strange Corpse - SOLVED
Case 8 - Murder Without Consequences - SOLVED
Case 9 - Thank You - SOLVED
Case 10 - The Mayor - SOLVED
Case 11 - Mother's Funeral - SOLVED
Case 12 - Simple Murder - SOLVED
Case 13 - Tram of Death - SOLVED
Case 14 - The Morning - SOLVED
Case 15 - Dangerous Call - SOLVED
Case 16 - Two Dead Men - SOLVED
Case 17 - Deadly Silence - SOLVED
Case 18 - Deadly Jump - SOLVED
Case 19 - Busy - SOLVED
~Create a Touhou Black Story Challenge~
Case 20 - Down to the bottom of Misty Lake - SOLVED
« Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 06:11:24 PM by Moe Moe Sakana-Katana »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 11:13:45 AM »
Is the window fully transparent?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 11:23:56 AM »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 11:31:21 AM »
Ooh, sounds interesting. I will state that I will not knowingly answer any riddles I already know the answer to, as that ruins the spirit of the game [edit: oh, it's in the rules anyway]. Also, to add a bit of kitsch, I'll do it all Umineko-style:

The man shot at his reflection in the window, presumably to scare off, wound or kill a would-be assailant that he saw outside.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 11:33:46 AM »
Did the man die after shooting himself?

Is the window attached to a moving vehicle?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 11:48:20 AM »
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The man shot at his reflection in the window, presumably to scare off, wound or kill a would-be assailant that he saw outside.
NO

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Did the man die after shooting himself?
YES

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Is the window attached to a moving vehicle?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 11:51:50 AM »
NO

Aw. Did the man willingly commit suicide?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 11:52:04 AM »
Did any other person exist near him?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 11:55:04 AM »
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Did the man willingly commit suicide?
YES

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Did any other person exist near him?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 12:00:11 PM »
Did the man commit suicide due to what he saw through the window?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 12:00:58 PM »
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Did the man commit suicide due to what he saw through the window?
YES

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 12:07:53 PM »
Did the man have a troubled past?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »
Did the man shoot himself with a gun?

If so,

Did the man have the gun with him before he looked out of the window?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 12:30:35 PM »
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Did the man have a troubled past?
NO

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Did the man shoot himself with a gun?
YES

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Did the man have the gun with him before he looked out of the window?
UNKNOWN. You may assume he went to fetch it after he looked out of the window.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 12:40:13 PM »
After the man died, did anything not immediately related to the man change in any way?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 12:49:26 PM »
is there a drug that makes someone commit suicide if he looks at something? (lol, Knox's 4th law)
"DUMBASS!" "I'd hit it" "Bear-sona~!" "Critical hits to the nads!" "What you're really asking is... "Will you please beat the **** out of me, Kanji?" "...I Gotta pee." ''Everydays great at your Junes~'' "You calling me a loser?"

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 01:03:41 PM »
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After the man died, did anything not immediately related to the man change in any way?
NO

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is there a drug that makes someone commit suicide if he looks at something? (lol, Knox's 4th law)
NO. Knox's 2nd and 4th Law apply to all cases unless stated otherwise.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 01:11:04 PM »
was the time between when he looked out the window and when he shot himself under 5 minutes?

was the man alive for while after he shot himself?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 01:39:43 PM »
Was the man physically and mentally healthy when he shot himself?

Might as well ask the weirder questions:

The man shooting himself, and the man committing suicide - are these the same act?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 01:51:23 PM »
Was there anything dangerous around him?

Did he shoot himself with a gun?

Was there someone outside when looked out the window?

Is the man real?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 02:15:32 PM »
Did the man have any way of interacting with what was outside the window, other than the window itself?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 02:38:13 PM »
Did he shoot himself with a gun?

Answered upthread, YES.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 02:39:21 PM »
Answered upthread, YES.
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Was he delusional?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 02:41:03 PM »
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was the time between when he looked out the window and when he shot himself under 5 minutes?
IRRELEVANT. You may assume that only few time passed between the two events

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was the man alive for while after he shot himself?
UNKNOWN. Out of compassion for the deceased let us assume he died immediately

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Was the man physically and mentally healthy when he shot himself?
YES

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The man shooting himself, and the man committing suicide - are these the same act?
YES. An interesting thought indeed. Such sharpness of mind might be of great use to later cases, I assure you.

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Was there anything dangerous around him?
NO

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Was there someone outside when looked out the window?
YES

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Is the man real?
YES

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Did the man have any way of interacting with what was outside the window, other than the window itself?
YES. I am, however, not completely sure whether I understood this question as you intended it, so you might want to elaborate on it a bit more. I would not want you to follow wrong clues because of a misunderstanding of mine.

If you meant interaction with the outside without leaving his position at the window, the answer is NO


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Was he delusional?
NO
« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 02:43:36 PM by Sakana »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2010, 02:44:59 PM »
was the person outside someone he knew?

if so did he know that person well?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 02:46:13 PM »
I...think I have it. I think I solved the case.

But let's confirm

Was the man engaged/dating/in a relationship with anyone else?
If the man were to see this significant other with another man, possibly engaging in some flirtation to more serious things like kissing, would he be so moved by grief as to kill himself?
If the above two are correct, did the man kill himself because his significant other was quite likely cheating on him?


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 03:00:02 PM »
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was the person outside someone he knew?
NO. Therefore the answer to your other question is NO as well

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Was the man engaged/dating/in a relationship with anyone else?
UNKNOWN and IRRELEVANT

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If the man were to see this significant other with another man, possibly engaging in some flirtation to more serious things like kissing, would he be so moved by grief as to kill himself?
UNKNOWN and IRRELEVANT

Therefore your conclusion, Mylady, is incorrect as well.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 03:01:46 PM »
The above is certainly possible, though somewhat unlikely if the man was mentally healthy. Just in case it's not:

Was there anything of note outside other than the person that is there?

If not:

The man saw someone outside he thought he had killed, intentionally, but he did not know he had failed. The shock drove him to suicide.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 03:06:38 PM »
were there more than one person outside?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 03:09:29 PM »
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Was there anything of note outside other than the person that is there?
YES

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The man saw someone outside he thought he had killed, intentionally, but he did not know he had failed. The shock drove him to suicide.
NO

I shall add the use of the blue color to the rules, as it seems it will be a convenient way for you, my dear players, to express your theories


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were there more than one person outside?
Possible, but IRRELEVANT
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