Author Topic: GUYZ I DUN GET IT Y CANT I 1CC PCB NORMUL (Read 30399 times)

Tengukami · « **Reply #60 on:** January 19, 2010, 08:44:02 PM »

Incidentally, Drake, I wasn't taking a dig at you in this thread. I understand your point. Mine was more of a "hey guys the point is to have fun" thing to offer those tearing their hair out about not being able to 1cc.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #61 on:** January 19, 2010, 09:02:23 PM »

I believe alot of Touhou fans aren't really gamers as well. So they kinda stink by our standards of gaming. This affects them a whole lot more than what one would initially expect. Most of the time when I see someone who isn't a gamer play a new game, they seem incapable of figuring out the obvious, such as where the health bar is, or whatever. I know when I told my brother to try touhou (he isn't a non-gamer, but he's not really a hardcore gamer either), he simply couldn't understand the point of focus. I kept telling him to use focus but he just didn't see why he should move slower.

These people do not adapt their bodies to the controls in the same manner, I can't really explain it. To them, it's like trying to text-message on a keypad you're unfamiliar with. Every little actual requires some "uh"s.

ghost333 · « **Reply #62 on:** January 20, 2010, 01:37:00 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on January 19, 2010, 09:02:23 PM

I believe alot of Touhou fans aren't really gamers as well. So they kinda stink by our standards of gaming. This affects them a whole lot more than what one would initially expect. Most of the time when I see someone who isn't a gamer play a new game, they seem incapable of figuring out the obvious, such as where the health bar is, or whatever.

yeap this is really true , people which arent gamers have problems trying new games.
so they need a litle bit extra help(and motivation)

Ragnarok · « **Reply #63 on:** January 20, 2010, 05:21:12 PM »

i also tried playing one game after another (starting with all the pc98 games) i also had my problem for month beating pcb @ normal, most likely it didn't work because i tried like 1 or at most 2 times a day, when i decided to invest way more time like playing 5 oder 6 times a day i was able to beat it after a week or so, i guess it was because i startet really remembering every bullet pattern, still it was quite close i had only 1 bomb left^^

Tinari · « **Reply #64 on:** January 30, 2010, 09:06:41 PM »

Quote from: DRAKE TIME on January 19, 2010, 12:24:16 AM

Shouldn't be an insult; more like reinforcement with parody. Secondly to note, I would much rather people be insulted by this and actually do something about it rather than have them pass unaffected by the demonstration, continuing to waste bombs and failing to beat the game.

My only issue with this is the fact that when I die with bombs left in stock it's usually one of the following issues.

1: I waited just a hair too long to bomb and died instead.
2: I didn't even see the bullet that hit me or I moved into it myself on accident.
3: I DIDN'T EVEN EXPECT TO BE HIT!

I hate when people tell me to bomb more. If I KNEW every exact moment I was going to die, I bet you I would use every bomb before I do. The thing is, some people either have too much moxy or bad enough eyes that half the time they die, it's more of a "WTF hit me?" moment than a "Durp, I won't bomb because death is more fun."

Anyway, I finally 1CC PcB with Reimu B and it was a great accomplishment to me. Didn't hurt that I capped her survival spellcard to boot. I have come very close with Marisa B too. I just don't like using Sakuya.

Silent Harmony · « **Reply #65 on:** January 30, 2010, 09:29:13 PM »

Nobody knows when they're going to die 100% of the time, not even Lunatics.

Maybe I'm different, but most of my deaths are derp moments or complicated dodges outside of my ability. Yes there are some wtf moments (Sakuya's spellcards) but most can be seen a mile away.

"Bomb more" does not equal "death-bomb more." It litterally means if you feel even the least bit uncomfortable with the pattern heading for your sprite, hit "x". Period. True this method will only carry you so far until your resources run out (well, except MoF I suppose), but for new players especially it will carry them a lot farther than trying for a tough capture and dieing with 3+bombs in stock (which some players equal to 4+ lives).

My 2c.

Suikama · « **Reply #66 on:** January 30, 2010, 09:36:31 PM »

Quote from: Tinari on January 30, 2010, 09:06:41 PM

I hate when people tell me to bomb more. If I KNEW every exact moment I was going to die, I bet you I would use every bomb before I do.

Practice. You learn when you need to bomb by dying at the same place every run :V

Zengeku · « **Reply #67 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:13:13 PM »

Oi man, you did a better job than me!!!

Actually, on my file there is some guy going by the alias WIND who scored 212 million with a slow-down rate of 96%. Looks like super player potential to me eh?

Bananamatic · « **Reply #68 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:16:11 PM »

Play Dodonpachi. Helped me with deathbombing a whole lot.

Drake · « **Reply #69 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:22:12 PM »

Quote from: Tinari on January 30, 2010, 09:06:41 PM

1: I waited just a hair too long to bomb and died instead.
2: I didn't even see the bullet that hit me or I moved into it myself on accident.
3: I DIDN'T EVEN EXPECT TO BE HIT!

I hate when people tell me to bomb more. If I KNEW every exact moment I was going to die, I bet you I would use every bomb before I do. The thing is, some people either have too much moxy or bad enough eyes that half the time they die, it's more of a "WTF hit me?" moment than a "Durp, I won't bomb because death is more fun."

This is a terrible mentality to have towards bombing, and comments like these are more or less the reason I made the damn thing in the first place. Mimeslayer covered what needed to be said.

1: You don't "wait" to bomb. If you know you're going to bomb, then do it. It's either time it well, or realize that it's too messy and bomb beforehand.
2: Well then that's your fault. Bullets that you don't see, you won't be able to deathbomb. In addition, you can't blame bombing problems in this situation, it's just your playing.
3: ...Yeah. Wow.

Where's your replay of your PCB 1cc.

theshirn · « **Reply #70 on:** January 30, 2010, 11:29:58 PM »

Play Shuuso Gyoku. You will never deathbomb again.

orinrin · « **Reply #71 on:** January 31, 2010, 02:24:45 AM »

Once you play through the stages enough, you start to see patterns of repetition. (Certain spellcards always killing you, near-exact place of death on said spellcards, etc.)
I say memorization is the key to victory. Unless you have short-term memory, in which you just bomb through the things you have trouble with. Deathbombing isn't bad, it is just hard to predict when you are going to get hit most of the time, which is why it really isn't recommended unless you have uber, uber, reflexes. (The small window you get to deathbomb in PCB is far too small for slow players like me.)

Bananamatic · « **Reply #72 on:** January 31, 2010, 03:10:49 AM »

Quote from: theshim on January 30, 2010, 11:29:58 PM

Play Shuuso Gyoku. You will never deathbomb again.

Because you'll smash your keyboard at the stage 2 boss.

Azinth · « **Reply #73 on:** January 31, 2010, 03:23:10 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on January 31, 2010, 03:10:49 AM

Quote from: theshim on January 30, 2010, 11:29:58 PM
Play Shuuso Gyoku. You will never deathbomb again.
Because you'll smash your keyboard at the stage 2 boss.

Banshiryuu C67. Both of you go play it. NAO

theshirn · « **Reply #74 on:** January 31, 2010, 03:28:29 AM »

Quote from: Azinth on January 31, 2010, 03:23:10 AM

Banshiryuu C67. Both of you go play it. NAO

NO

Bananamatic · « **Reply #75 on:** January 31, 2010, 03:29:46 AM »

Quote from: Azinth on January 31, 2010, 03:23:10 AM

Because you'll smash your keyboard at the stage 2 boss.

Banshiryuu C67. Both of you go play it. NAO

NO

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #76 on:** January 31, 2010, 05:44:36 AM »

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Once you play through the stages enough, you start to see patterns of repetition. (Certain spellcards always killing you, near-exact place of death on said spellcards, etc.

Wow, for me that would have to be Letty's Undulation Ray, which I can capture now somewhat due to seeing said patterns, Chen's every Hard mode spell which all kill me or take up a bomb or 2, Alice's every appearence on Hard and Sister Prismriver on Hard.

Part of my failure is also due to me 1st playing on Hard because I don't want to have to use Easy Modo, and I wanna challenge myself past Normal Mode.

Zengeku · « **Reply #77 on:** January 31, 2010, 01:13:11 PM »

That's very brave of you, but maybe you should go down to just playing Normal to begin with. From then on, its basically playing the stages some times to find out what you can do with ease and what poses problems. Bomb all that have a chance to kill you - Touhou gives a lot of lives so that can be done.

Aside from UFO Lunatic, i have rarely found 1cc'ing very tough once all the kinks are worked out. Planned bombs are really helpful and due to stage practice, that nice little feature that Touhou has, it doesn't take too long to do.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #78 on:** February 01, 2010, 07:45:28 AM »

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That's very brave of you

I am more known for being a hotheaded coward who is more bark then bite, so being called brave is very welcomed. Thank you very much

Although, I want to try and beat the game on Hard otherwise I will never actually beat Hard. If I turn it down to Normal then I will have to learn all the patterens on Normal then either 1cc or beat it, then i will have to re-learn Hard Mode patterns.

Plus the difficulty thrown at me by Hard is actually fun, yes PCB kicking my butt to the Hakurei Shrine and back a few times over is actually FUN, the difficulty isn't the cheap "I do this and you lose" kind or the unfair "you have a short time limit to beat me". The difficulty can be bested in time with practice and memorizing the stages, especially the problem areas.

Zengeku · « **Reply #79 on:** February 03, 2010, 11:11:47 AM »

Normal mode is good for building up basic skills but if you feel like you wanna start with Hard mode then i should by no means try to stop you. Have fun!

Tinari · « **Reply #80 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:23:19 PM »

Quote from: PEANUT BUTTER DRAKE TIME on January 30, 2010, 10:22:12 PM

This is a terrible mentality to have towards bombing, and comments like these are more or less the reason I made the damn thing in the first place. Mimeslayer covered what needed to be said.

1: You don't "wait" to bomb. If you know you're going to bomb, then do it. It's either time it well, or realize that it's too messy and bomb beforehand.
2: Well then that's your fault. Bullets that you don't see, you won't be able to deathbomb. In addition, you can't blame bombing problems in this situation, it's just your playing.
3: ...Yeah. Wow.

Where's your replay of your PCB 1cc.

Sorry for having bad vision and not wanting to sit 6 inches from my screen to see all the bullets, heh.
And I can't read ahead nearly as well as most people here so I don't realize that I can't dodge a pattern.
And it comes to my moxy statement. I see patterns and little tiny gaps and think, "There we go, salvation!" only to die.

Oh, here's my replay for you. Feel free to either mock or constructively criticize at your leisure.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=7029

Halfway through the fight with Youmu, I had to get up and take care of something so when I sat back down I was REALLY out of groove for a bit. Outside of that, this is me playing at above my normal level. I also completely forgot which Prismriver I wanted for the mid-fight and man did I pick the wrong one...

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #81 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:54:27 PM »

Black(Voilin) and White(Trumpet) Prismrivers seem more dangerous compared to Red(Keyboard), personally, so I have started taking Red on as the one I can pick... But in the end I always fail on them to the point that rather then getting angry when I die, I laugh xD Laughing at my own failures certainly helps keep me in the mood for more runs through the game. :V

Kinzo the Astro Curious · « **Reply #82 on:** February 08, 2010, 12:59:50 AM »

Yeah the white one bloody annoys me, its them wiggly stream thingies she uses in her first spell, always kills me once minimum.

This replay has me feeling ashamed at not being able to 1cc normal.

However, I often to try not to bomb so I can look at the pretty patterns, which might be why I keep dying :V

EDIT : I could have sworn I saw you autocollect at the top of the screen, How the hell does that work? I've only ever been able to do it in MoF and SA when you go past the line.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #83 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:05:41 AM »

You can do that at full power, same for EoSD.

In PCB Extra and Phantasm, autocollect is always there.

I still haven't done Normal with ReimuA and MarisaB. I'm beginning to not even care that I don't have extra for them. Also, I prefer playing SakuyaB now.

Kinzo the Astro Curious · « **Reply #84 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:23:17 AM »

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I just failed to 1cc again. I totally blame my controller for being total shite, And have proceeded to RAGE and bite chunks out of it.

*sigh* this is why I never play touhou on my home computer anymore. Keyboard sucks, and the controller sucks.

ebarrett · « **Reply #85 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:36:25 AM »

Quote from: Torpedo on February 08, 2010, 01:23:17 AM

ARGH!

Question: do you have the vsync patch installed?

Kinzo the Astro Curious · « **Reply #86 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:29:06 AM »

Errr... was it needed to install the english patch or included in it?

If not, probably haven't.

ebarrett · « **Reply #87 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:38:33 AM »

Quote from: Torpedo on February 08, 2010, 03:29:06 AM

Errr... was it needed to install the english patch or included in it?

If not, probably haven't.

It's an add-on which you can find (along with installation instructions) buried somewhere in the tech help forums, which also have a few other topics regarding common issues with it. It removes the half a second input lag which the earlier Windows games have. The MoF version also fixes MarisaBugged if I remember correctly.

Oh, and make a backup of your PCB score.dat just in case; if you alternate between an english-patched and a non-english-patch PCB executable (something you might do in the confusion which often goes with installing patches and such), your PCB score.dat gets reset.

orinrin · « **Reply #88 on:** February 08, 2010, 04:32:58 AM »

Vsync is cheating.
I don't really think 1CCing Normal requires a vsync patch though. Most of the bullet patterns in PCB Normal are "fairly" consistent and do not really require extreme-speed input.

I should really get to installing it before I try Hard mode though.

Edit: I was joking about the vsync patch. Chrome doesn't like strikethroughs for some reason.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #89 on:** February 08, 2010, 04:34:32 AM »

The fact that the input lag isn't even there in the first place on some computers makes it not cheating.

I've never even tried the patch, so I'm not sure if it'd even help me.

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