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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2010, 01:51:40 PM »
Bully fairies? That sounds interesting.
You're right, they appear in smaller groups or alone most of the time, so them being bullies is a possibility. Actually I always pictured all fairies as cute and nice, but why shouldn't there be all kinds of personalities?
There might be some that bully or even kill other fairies, just like you said. I could also imagine some doom fairies staying away from others because they don't want to accidentally hurt them, or some being cast out because their normal fairy companions fear them.
Nice discovery, Mew!

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2010, 03:41:47 PM »
Indeed a fine discovery, Mew. And the notion that 'ghost's regain their own power plus the powers of a ghost' is brilliant from both of you.
But, just like Sakana, I'm confused what bullet types have to do with this, Mew. Are you suggesting bullet shape and color is also linked to PNP?

But I'm very busy today, so I don't think I can draw a new, updated graph of the evoltion lines today. Perhaps tomorrow.... Or I could just write the lines like last time, but a drawing might provide better examples (by drawing characters at every stage and classification that fit the bill of said stage, like Marisa at Lesser Magician, Alice/Patchy at Intermediate Magician and Byakuren at Greater Magician).

Bully fairies? That sounds interesting.
You're right, they appear in smaller groups or alone most of the time, so them being bullies is a possibility. Actually I always pictured all fairies as cute and nice, but why shouldn't there be all kinds of personalities?
There might be some that bully or even kill other fairies, just like you said. I could also imagine some doom fairies staying away from others because they don't want to accidentally hurt them, or some being cast out because their normal fairy companions fear them.
Nice discovery, Mew!

Great, now I imagine all kinds of fairies at a playground or kindergarten with them all having their own, adorable, little way to amuse themselves and playing around.

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2010, 03:53:37 PM »
long thread is long.

Anyways, my theory.

Shortly before PoFV has begun, Eirin has read about Reimu's past deeds, and learned about a research project led by Yumemi, in the incident that became known as Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream. Eirin then thought that the flower incident that would happen every 60 years would be her chance to perform a similar research, yet remain unsuspected. So, she has poisoned certain subjects with a synthetized substance, in order to gather data of these subjects' biological processes while they're under battle. If Eirin was successful, she would be able to improve her battle-enhancement elixir, and also gain more understanding of the subjects' behavior under stress and pressure, and how their thought processes translate into their magical abilities.

So, after the test subjects have been given special discounts on Eirin's medicines and have consumed them, the test subjects are then exposed to Eirin's pheromones, after the medicine has taken effect. Special care was needed, in order to ensure each subject would behave as planned, due to the fact that the medicine for humans are different than those made for youkai. But the effect was the same: The subjects felt an irresistible urge to serve Eirin and please her, even though Eirin herself wasn't in their minds at the time. As the flower incident was happening, the characters were being defeated, one by one, but the power of the medicine kept them fighting each other, so that when their spiritual strenght waned, they would draw it from the incoming fairies, who exploded with such force, that their nearby colleagues would also die with an equally strong explosion, which also blew away most of the onscreen projectiles. The heroines' desire for victory wasn't only directed to defeating their colleagues, it would also make them draw more spiritual power from the corpses of the fairies and the defeated magical avatars (a.k.a boss summons) of their colleagues. The barrages often became too dense for them to dodge through, so they would scream in silent desperation for Eirin while releasing part of their acquired magical power, in order to keep struggling towards their goal.

Finally, when Reimu became victorious, Eirin greeted her in a cold night; Reimu's muscles were still trembling, tensely, and her mind was in a cloud of confusion for what she has done to her friends, and fairies, and also for the mental ordeal of having to outsmart her defeated opponents, who couldn't stand the overpowering barrages of quickly expanding bullet rings, the increasing amount of orbs that appeared at random places, and the homing bullet rings that took out so much screen space from them.
Reimu was extremely tired, but her willpower allowed her to raise a hand towards Eirin. And, after being pleased by the success of her experiment, Reimu was taken to Eirin's private basement, chained, undressed and raped, by Eirin, who then instilled Reimu with nutrients, for the purpose of nourishing her, so that she could be subjected to Eirin's embryo-fetal growth medicine. After Reimu gave birth to her and Eirin's child, still weak and unable to process much of what was happening to her, Eirin proceeded to inject yet another substance into the child, which overloaded its neural system instantly, killing it.

Feeling that Reimu was getting weaker, and the effect of her drug would wear off soon, Eirin felt satisfied, further motivated to do more similar experiments, and decided to get rid of the baby corpse, by making Reimu eat it.

So, the incident has ended, though Reimu didn't remember much details about it. It looked like a normal incident, to her, and she thought that she was too tired after "solving" it, that she fell asleep. However, occasionally, she would remember about her opponents looking bigger than they really were, and instinctively, as if it were a self-defense mechanism, she would become afraid of trying to relive that experience, a thought that created an unrest, a tension between her mind, and her will.


tl;dr: this is what can come out if we ignore the gameplay-oriented answers :V (shall I stop now, or do you want more of this? ;D )
neku: now for something important.
Translations.
How much time do you guys think it will take for HM to be translated? Besides everyone's story modes and the whole menus, there's also the fact that the way HM's programmed is different from all other games. I bet it'll take two months.

lusvik: I don't mind about playing HM in japanese. The language of punching other people is international.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2010, 04:34:24 PM »
That......was quite disturbing.....to say the least........

Though it does explain why enemies would look bigger, wasn't a great deal of it a bit unneeded/too much information? (I don't see what the baby parts had to do with the results). And does Reimu's mental trauma explain her slightly evil tendencies in later games?
Also, thanks to this, Eirin has become a lot scarier in my eyes....

But your very dark theory has made me realise one little thing: boss summons.
Perhaps the bigger versions of the characters that appear in the 2P shooter games are indeed just larger projections of the real deal that help intimidate the opponent, allowing the original to keep fighting with the incoming enemies. Though it doesn't explain how everyone looks giant in the other games.

I've also realised something else: We actually see someone growing from player size to giant size in one of the games: Mima in SoEL. Before the battle starts she appears in a relatively small size, but once the battle actually begins, she grows to a far larger size, complete with a costume swap. This sghows that one can indeed concentrate herself (and her contained PNP) to be more compact before releasing it fully and become giant and use the PNP for boss functions (huge amount of health, barriers and powerful spellcards).

Back to your theory, shadowbringer, your theory only covers up PoDD and PoFV, not the other games. It's more of a very dark (but cleverly thought out) deconstruction of the Phantasmagoria games than anything. I'm sorry to say it isn't completely relevant to the subject we are currently discussing. Although, it does fit in with the 'Drug Abuse in Gensokyo' subtitle, so maybe it does have some connection.
I am curious though what other kinds of deconstructions you have thought out. It defiantly isn't a bad theory (only a bit dark and NSFW).

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2010, 05:01:56 PM »
What the goddamn... o_0

But despite all the disturbing stuff, as Naito stated this theory indeed had some aspects for us to adress by using PNP-theory.
I'm thankful for you giving us some new clues, but no more of that please. It's a bit too freaky.
If you wanna continue that, you might consider making it a real fanfiction for the Fanworks.

Anyway, from what we know I suppose we should treat the situation in the Phantasmagoria-games different from the rest from now on. The basics of PNP-theory should work for those games as well, but some aspects like the boss summons or the exploding fairies are indeed special cases.
Now I don't know anything about PoDD, so my next ideas will be for PoFV.

I agree on projections for the boss summons, and I have a feeling we an explain how those come about. Remember that during the Flower-incident there was a large number of ghosts all over Gensokyo. Maybe it was possible for the characters to use those ghosts as a kind of projection screen while at the same time making them fire bullets. Think about the 'Brocken Spectre' in UNL, which is also a giant projection of something smaller. The effect would be something that will be perceived as a giant version of the character shooting off lots of danmaku. That would mean that the spells in PoFV are substantially different from the Spellcards in other games.
As to how such strong spells are possible, let me take another look at the situation. We concluded that ghosts might have similar abilities to fairies in gathering magic from the air, right? That would mean that both the air of the Netherwolrd and that of Gensokyo are filled with weak magic.
Now what if, when the flower-incident happened, not only the ghosts came from the netherworld, but they also brought its air with them? That might have led to a situation in which the air of Gensokyo would have double the amount of magic, which was probably enough to be taken in directly by the characters. That would explain why we don't see any PNP in PoFV.
By that the exploding fairies can be explained as well: They are filled with more magic than usual, which causes a small magic explosion on their death that cancels out nearby weak magic (read: normal bullets).

So in short: During PoFV the atmosphere oof Gensokyo contained double the amount of magical energy, allowing for the characters to fight differently from how they normally do.

Now the question is: Can similar assumptions be made for PoDD, so that we can cover that too? And are there any inconsistencies with my theory that need to be attended?

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2010, 05:15:20 PM »
Off current subject, YOUKAI EVOLUTION LINE EXCEPTION TIME!

Youkai magicians: Are humans imbued with magical powers. Alice herself is strong enough to be an ex boss, and her profile states that she never fights at full power, so she's either naturally powerfull from living in makai her whole life or consumed a load of pnp. Humans can only be in loli form  or mature form (no real beast form, but it's disputable), and not because of pnp.

Vampires: Are former humans that died, and are now frozen in a single state of body - they don't age, at all. Regardless, they somehow manage to split themselves into mists and bats. Remi didn't supress her evolution - she didn't have one.

Ghosts: As previous stated, have a completely different evolution, but yuyu is not an example. It should be noted her soul cannot pass because her body is a seal, and unlike other ghosts, most likely did not lose human form at any point. Mima, however, throughout PC98 seems to become more and more human, losing wispy, nondefined features in favor of solid arms....she still needs to work on legs, though.

Gods: Faith is not PnP. Faith sustains the god's existance (more of it leads to a stronger existance in this world, allowing the naturally powerfull being to wield more potential), PnP sustains anyone elses power. Gods are pretty much beings held up on the pedastal of belief, and if it crumbles, they fall and die (fade away). Hence why sanae moved her shrine to gensyoko in the name of gathering faith, and also, see the events of MoF to see how badly gods want faith. Regardless, it seems they are capable of utilizing pnp, and, as we can see few gods are ravaging fairy settlements, probably are not affected the same way as humans.

Half youkai: The most likely departure is natural bodily developement, so loli form can be surpassed simply by growth, and beast form may not quite be 100%. Half youkai: Youmu, rinnosuke, and anyone i've missed. Possibly sakuya (And her 100% natural chest that ZUN has no idea how to draw).

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2010, 05:32:03 PM »
You just made some nice summaries there. Though, with the exception of vampires and half-youkai, those are all statements that we already concluded in one way or another. Nevertheless those summaries might come in handy, so thank you, Toast.

Now my comments on those:
Vampires: Somehow we seem to have assumed that 'Vampire' is just a different name for bat youkai. But regarding Remi as a true vampire as we know them indeed solves our problems nicely. Good job.

Ghosts: Okay, so we just take another example here and regard Yuyuko as a special case. No problem I think.

Gods: We had the faith problem earlier and yes, it's not PNP. However faith consists of magical energy the same way PNP does, hence the effects are about the same. So a god can use faith as well as PNP to grow and stay strong. However gathering faith is easier, because it is automatically transmitted to the god that is worshipped so they don't have to go around and collect it like PNP. That doesn't conflict with the Moriya crew's reason to move their shrine, because neither kind of magical energy is available in the outside world.

Half-Youkai: That category can be ignored I think. Youmu is a half-ghost, which makes her substantially different from a half-youkai and Rinnosuke doesn't seem to care about power anyway. So unless I missed a character there seem to be no PNP-consuminf half-youkai around. Though I accept Sakuya might possibly be one, but there are theories that she might be a normal human or even Lunarian as well, so we can't say anything conclusive about her.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2010, 06:37:38 PM »
Indeed wonderful contributions Toast, and Sakana has already shown my thoughts on most of them. I would like to add to Sakana that, though we have established faith as a special form of magic/PNP that comes from the faith of people, unlike youkai it is the Gods very life force. Like Toast said, without it, they'll dissapear (perhaps devolve to ghosts and be forced to return to the re?ncarnation cycle?)

And indeed, as an undead being, Remilia and Flandre won't be able to develope. They're basically frozen in time. I looked at them too much like normal youkai, and started to foolishly ignore the vampire's uniqueness (though they are still stated to be a kind of youkai). But even if they can't evolve, they do appear to be able to shapeshift to various forms, like Toast said, and I can imagine they can still build up power, just without any physical change.

Regarding Sakana's post before this, it is a clever assumption the ghost may be involved, using them as some kind of mirrors to project the 'summon'.  But I'm sorry to burst your bubble Sakana, but there are absolutely no ghosts involved in PoDD. Quite the contrary, the plot lies with the appearance of resident science nuts Yumemi and Chiyuri! The only sign of ghosts in the game are as regular enemies, and even then they are accompanied by the likes of Mario power stars and hearts, so they aren't propminent enough. And even without the presence of ghosts, characters are still capable of summon huge versions of themselves on the enemies screen (even bigger than PoFV!). These ones can even be attacked directly and destroyed! Judging from this, I think the girls are just creating and summoning these projections themselves, without any help of the ghosts involved.

The notion of the greater amount of magic in the Phantasmagoria games is a very clever though, and can be entirely possible. It would indeed explain why the characters don't need any PNP during the fights and why fairies are so explosive now. It also explains why all characters, even the player, now have life bars: with enough magic they can now also make barriers/increase their stamina.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2010, 06:48:48 PM »
It also explains why all characters, even the player, now have life bars: with enough magic they can now also make barriers/increase their stamina.
Hey, right, there's that too. Nice.

I don't mind scratching the 'ghost-projection-screen' thing, it's good enough that we can work with the other parts for now.
As for ghosts not working for PoDD, I expected that.
So, what were the circumstances of PoDD? Anything that lets us assume why the characters were able to fight that way there, without having to gather PNP all the time?

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2010, 07:25:13 PM »
Hmmmm.....Yumemi and Chiyuri were screwing around in that game, trying to capture a Touhou to prove that Fairy God Parents magic is real. But they appear to be able to use their own form of magic using gadgets (Yumemi has her mechanical crosses to use spells). Perhaps this artificial magic is leaking out of their weapons and vehicles (their ship), and dispercing into the Gensokyo atmosphere? This would allow the characters to be so powerful without the use of PNP.

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #130 on: January 07, 2010, 05:51:57 AM »
Holy Snikes to the shadowbringer

Sakana and naito have pretty much covered it all. I don't play PoFV much at all so, I really cannot say, but your explanation of why there is no PNP in those games makes sense.


But, just like Sakana, I'm confused what bullet types have to do with this, Mew. Are you suggesting bullet shape and color is also linked to PNP?


I was interested in bullet shape and size with relation to PNP...Color may be related as well, but classifying enemies takes precedent over my rambling on bullet types.


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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #131 on: January 07, 2010, 08:03:14 AM »
I was interested in bullet shape and size with relation to PNP...Color may be related as well, but classifying enemies takes precedent over my rambling on bullet types.
Ah, ok. Well, I'd say we keep the bullets until the end as bonus work. If there's a way to link their appearance to PNP, that'd be awesome but for now just say they're the characters personal preference.

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #132 on: January 07, 2010, 08:38:58 AM »
See doesn't that make more sense now.

The categories for enemies I have are

Faeries
within faeries
small faeries
red blue and green
large faeries
doom faeries- can be either large or small
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Strange Orb
MoF kind-the ones in MoF stage 2 and 6
SA kind-the ones in UFo stage 2
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More will come when I have more time to think this through

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #133 on: January 08, 2010, 07:14:39 PM »
Unprecedented Serious Affair!

Since Mew decided we should look into enemy classification, I payed extra attention when playing UFO just now, and made an interesting and shocking discovery.
There is , if I didn't miss anything, exactly one enemy type besides fairies in UFO: Yin-Yang orbs!

Yes, you read that correctly. Yin-Yang orbs, the exact same ones that Reimu uses as her option, only that they have some small things (maybe amulets?) spinning around them.

Now that would lead us to the question: How do we have to interpret this affair of options appearing as independent enemies?
Right now I have two possible takes on the matter:

1) The orbs are sentient objects, as in the evolution lines. The result of that thinking would be that Reimu's orbs are also objects that she infuses with PNP to make them into options. The original objects would then have to be some simple kind of ball that is available in large numbers, otherwise such an amount of orb-enemies couldn't exist. But then what about the orbs being a sacred object passe down in her family?

2) If we stay with what we concluded before, then options are PNP that has been forced outside of the body and pressed into shape by its user. The same would go for Reimu's orbs, they are a mass of PNP. But if the enemy-orbs are the same, that leads to an interesting result: PNP is capable of gaining a shape by itself under certain circumstances! So the enemy-orbs would have develped out of a mass of PNP that merged together and took a shape that possibly posseses a slight consciousness as well. What would support this is that the orbs tend to release a larger amount of PNP than a fairy upon death. But if 'wild' PNP takes the orb form naturally, wouldn't that mean the shape of options is not completely under the user's control?

Whichever version we choose, it might have quite an impact on some parts of the theory that we discussed before, especially options. Or does any of you have another idea how we can explain this affair?

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #134 on: January 09, 2010, 03:00:27 AM »
Hmmmmm.....this is indeed a peculiar affair. It's pretty hard to determine which of the possibilities it could be, or a whole different answer entirely.

It could be a sentient object youkai, but who would make a beachball sized yin yang orb? It would make a bitchin' beachball, yes, but their are no beaches at all in Gensokyo. And as far as I know, in Eastern religions, the yin yang orb was only used as a written or drawn symbol, never an actual object (and it would be a rather clumsy ritual/holy object if it was, rolling around all the time). It could be a part of necklace that had a yin yang orb on it. Said yin yang orb became a sentient object youkai and grew in size, or it grew in size from recent fairy hunting. If it is the latter case, it would also explain why it contains so much PNP.
Or it's just a toy ball of Chen a human child with the design of a yin yang that became a sentient youkai.

Another alternative is the notion that it's similliar to the guard runes from Patchy and Yukarin. They are just fabricated sentry units made from PNP to protect their master. Looking at the likes of Ichirin, Shou and Byakuren, all highly religious folks, it wouldn't be farfetched they made them, using the design of a yin yang orb to pose them off as holy objects (since runes are more youkai and wicca like, and thus unholy).

I think it's unlikely though that said orbs are products of PNP combining and becoming sentient. I can imagine it might take some time to form an orb, and PNP is most likely to be absorbed by youkai in the moments it is released from the body. All other times, they are in fairy bodies, quite clearly separating the PNP from other PNP sources, not allowing it to combine. I doubt the PNP would turn into yin yang orbs inside fairy bodies or be excreted in some other way (atleast I hope so for the poor things).
Also, options more often appear as small orbs of light rather than yin yang orbs, so I think that's rather the form options automatically take. Reimu is an exception because her options are artifacts she uses in- and outside of battle. And I think options do allow for some customization (look at Yuyuko's ginormous fan). It's highly possible that options are similliar as the sentry runes, being attack units created with PNP from the user.
Reimu's own orbs do seem to be slightly sentient, since they can be turned into cats according to her profile. But I think they are just magically crafted weapons for the Hakurei line, and not some other kind of being. These things have been around since the creation of Gensokyo, and I guess it is possible they were crafted after Gensokyo's completion, making it possible the orbs are made of PNP. But if they existed before that, they are probably made from pure magic (perhaps explaining why they are so strong and everyone wants them? I can imagine PNP is less effective than pure magic).

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #135 on: January 09, 2010, 07:44:49 AM »
I accept that the orbs are manifest forms of PNP, but the fabricated sentry units one is less likely. Actually wait...

the yin-yng orbs appeared in SA stage 2 and 3 to shoot stuff at you so it is possible.

Good...
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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #136 on: January 09, 2010, 08:05:16 AM »
Another alternative is the notion that it's similliar to the guard runes from Patchy and Yukarin. They are just fabricated sentry units made from PNP to protect their master.
the yin-yng orbs appeared in SA stage 2 and 3 to shoot stuff at you so it is possible.
Ah, so the ones in SA are also Yin-Yang orbs. I was hoping for Mew to confirm that, good job. Then I guess we can go with sentries made of PNP there, just as Naito said.
As for why they have the Yin-Yang form, maybe that's just a form that has been established among power-users in Gensokyo as being stylish/ easy to create/ practical or something.

That would mean we have learned one more thing about options from that: They can be sent out to act more or less individually (maybe on a 'program' or something), and function as sentries then. That makes sense, since options main use is to allow someone to shoot more danmaku then you can from only your body alone. Then why not use them to shoot danmaku at a place where you aren't even present. Also, I don't know whom of you mentioned it before, but someone said that the bosses are going on a fairy killing spree while the player flies through the stage. That becomes even more plausible now, because they need to collect a lot of PNP if they can create that many sentries and still want to fight afterwards.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #137 on: January 09, 2010, 12:59:36 PM »
That would mean we have learned one more thing about options from that: They can be sent out to act more or less individually (maybe on a 'program' or something), and function as sentries then. That makes sense, since options main use is to allow someone to shoot more danmaku then you can from only your body alone. Then why not use them to shoot danmaku at a place where you aren't even present. Also, I don't know whom of you mentioned it before, but someone said that the bosses are going on a fairy killing spree while the player flies through the stage. That becomes even more plausible now, because they need to collect a lot of PNP if they can create that many sentries and still want to fight afterwards.

That was me who said that, in an explanation of how characters power up and become giant in preperation for battle.
The sentries could indeed be used as some sort of 'scarecrows' to chase away other youkai who might want to scavage PNP released from the greater youkai's killing spree. They also protect the creator youkai from being attacked by stronger youkai, giving the youkai more time to power up before facing the threat. The drawback ofcourse is that those sentries also cost PNP.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #138 on: January 09, 2010, 08:34:52 PM »
The drawback ofcourse is that those sentries also cost PNP.
Plus they drop that PNP which can then be used by the attacker to power up. Quite a double edged sword indeed.

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2010, 05:20:52 AM »
Are the strange orbs in MoF the same thing as the yin yang orbs?

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2010, 03:46:20 PM »
Are the strange orbs in MoF the same thing as the yin yang orbs?

I think any enemy object that isn't a fairy, FOE, UFO or ghost is a magical sentry. These sentries include the runes, the orbs and various other objects. At least, that's what I think.

Also, out of curiosity, do you think this theory will ever make it's way to the Wild Mass Guessing page for Touhou on TV-Tropes?

And sorry I haven't made the evolution lines yet. I've been busy. I'll try and make it this week.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2010, 04:59:49 PM »
No worries Naito. Take your time with the evolution lines, your real life comes first.
I haven't done my fairy-tale either (university got busy + two-week mini-job) (>_<)

About the enemy types, I'd go with your suggestion of 'sentry until proven otherwise'. We should be able to cover most with that and if something really falls out of this frame, we'll deal with it then.

Also, Wild Mass Guessing page? Never seen that yet, but I think our theory might be too awesome for that.  ;D
We might destroy people's image of a nice and beautiful Gensokyo.  :V

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2010, 05:11:08 PM »
Oh, on that page there already are quite some deconstructing theories of Gensokyo :V The only difference is that none them are as big and thought out as ours ;D It is indeed to awesome for it 8) Also, most of them are just small, comical theories meant to joke at the nature of Touhou and Gensokyo.

Here's a link to the Touhou WMG page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Touhou

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2010, 05:30:53 PM »
Okay, just had a quick look. PNP-theory would definitely break the boundaries of that page  :V

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2010, 11:42:41 PM »
Indeed, the boundary between guessing and truth would be shattered by the effectiveness of this theory.

wait...people had a nice impression of Gensokyo...even with the basic youkai eat humans part...the mental image of a swarm of faeries feeding on a hapless human isn't pretty at all.

For now we take naito's statement that most are just magical sentries.

I think it makes sense because both Kanako and Hina use them extensively.

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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2010, 11:47:16 PM »
wait...people had a nice impression of Gensokyo...even with the basic youkai eat humans part...the mental image of a swarm of faeries feeding on a hapless human isn't pretty at all.

Oh dear Shinki, now I'm starting to get a Discovery Channel vibe.

'The youkai is gorging on it's human prey. Fairies are gathering, but the youkai chases them off. They are going to have to wait their turn. Scavengers like fairies are fortunately very patient.'
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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2010, 01:59:52 AM »
Whatever made you think the faeries were scavengers??

And it's animal planet you're thinking of not discovery.

my feeling is that faeries actively attack in swarms when they can..or are domesticated for use by more powerful youkai.

it happens.
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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2010, 02:41:32 AM »
Eh, fairies feeding on humans? Where did that come from? I consider them magivores (as in, that gathering of magic and processign it into PNP is already their 'feeding')

But as for domestication, that is not only possible but also proven, now that I think about it. Most of the servants at SDM are fairies. So I'd say that fairies usually attack for one of two reasons: They're forced/ ordered to do it, or they fight to defend themselves.

Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2010, 02:52:09 AM »
So are they forced to dress like cowboys in MoF?

Are they forced to wear the same color as the item they drop when popped?

And faeries eat people because all random youkai eat people. Or at least most, faeries being part of the random youkai group eat people.


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Re: The PNP-Theory: Drug Abuse in Gensokyo
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2010, 02:58:56 AM »
But fairies are no youkai. At least not as far as we had discussed it here.
I dunno, maybe there might be situations in which fairies might copy a youkai's behaviour and munch on a human (they're simple creatures after all), but I wouldn't want to make it part of their nature.

As for their clothing, we'll have to figure that out later. 'Cause it's 4am and I'm in no shape to think about something that complicated right now  :V