Skies Ablaze

[Lishy1]

I still fail to see similarities. And the interface isn't the same at all.

[PostCrisisJ2]

Putting aside the issue of blatant stealing and not just simply borrowing elements like all games inevitable do, I'm having trouble feeling any sort of enthusiasm from the dude. I had more issues just trying to pay attention to him than noticing the similarities. Sure he was nervous, but so was The Artifact dude but he was a lot more confident and passionate... maybe too passionate. [validate your existence? okay...] Overall, the guy just seemed like a very awkward individual. And then the video with the judges, I just couldn't get through that video because it was so painful trying to listen to the guy.

I suppose this will be a valuable learning experience to all involved.

[Bananamatic]

The very fact that I'm going to play against cowboys is kind of awkward.

If it's a shmup, I want either loli or pimped machines with a huge ass laser.
No exceptions.

[Azinth]

The very fact that I'm going to play against cowboys is kind of awkward.

If it's a shmup, I want either loli or pimped machines with a huge ass laser.
No exceptions.

It could be worse.

[Bananamatic]

It could be worse.

Parodius obviously doesn't take itself seriously unlike SA....

[Formless God]

I still fail to see similarities. And the interface isn't the same at all.

Oh yeah ?



PoFV also counts "hits", but the cut-in sequence kicked in too fast for me to capture everything.
And even the timer is the same (almost) :V

[Cadmas]

Putting aside the issue of blatant stealing and not just simply borrowing elements like all games inevitable do, I'm having trouble feeling any sort of enthusiasm from the dude. I had more issues just trying to pay attention to him than noticing the similarities. Sure he was nervous, but so was The Artifact dude but he was a lot more confident and passionate... maybe too passionate. [validate your existence? okay...] Overall, the guy just seemed like a very awkward individual. And then the video with the judges, I just couldn't get through that video because it was so painful trying to listen to the guy.

I suppose this will be a valuable learning experience to all involved.

Yeah the guy does have a pretty sleep inducing voice.

Artifact seems like it would be more difficult, but better suited for xbox360.

[Lishy1]

The guy's oral skills suck and The Artifact is simply just more innovative.

Oh yeah ?



PoFV also counts "hits", but the cut-in sequence kicked in too fast for me to capture everything.
And even the timer is the same (almost) :V

I thought all vs shooters counted hits. And I notice a couple of differences.
For one, you have a healthbar instead of hitpoints.
Two is that enemies are actually fighting you, from what I understand.
Three is that there is no Engrish warning dialogue.
Four is that it's just a cuttin. Big deal.
And I also see no spell or spell card counter. For all we know, he could make a totally new mechanic to powering up your spells.

I will admit the attack going to your side of the field is like Sakuya's, but I recall twinkle Star Sprites also had something similar.
Again, wait until official gameplay before bashing it.

[Formless God]

I'm not bashing anything. The image just gave off that "PoFV" feel as soon as I saw it.

Btw the healthbar is divided into five. And the one on the right-hand screen shows 3.5, though this seems  to be irrelevant :V
And you're right about the enemies. They seem to be shooting bullets :V

[Bananamatic]

And you're right about the enemies. They seem to be shooting bullets :V

Not only that, they seem to come from BEHIND

[einhorn303]

Oh yeah ?

So...how else do you propose making the interface for a 2P shmup? Besides the obvious splitscreen, the only two similarities they have in interface are:

1. A number at the top of the screen (presumably counting score)
2. A gauge at the bottom of the screen (presumably counting charge)

BOTH of which are present in exactly the same place as these other 2P shmup examples.

By the way, I'm pretty sure these winged things aren't enemies, but familiars. He seemed to mention that familiars are a part of the game's mechanics.

(These two games, by the way, are 稀翁玉 and Twinkle Star Sprites respectively)

[Sen]

God, listening to this guy is just so painful.
Judge: "So, why is it called Skies Ablaze, anyway? Are like...do the bosses come from the sky, or...?"
Beej: "Well yeah, all the characters can fly, y'know."

OH YEAH SILLY ME OF COURSE THE COWBOYS ALL FLY


I'm kind of on the fence about whether or not to consider this a blatant PoFV ripoff. One one hand it seems like, yes, he is hoping that Touhou is obscure enough in the west that no one will notice it. But at the same time, shooters in general all have similarities to each other. You can only do so much with "hold z to shoot up," after all.
Besides, it's not like PoFV/PoD.D were even that original in the first place, given Twinkle Star Sprites :V


Also, this is pretty off-topic, but:

100% chance that the person posting this has only ever played doujin games through illegally downloading them. What an extreme expression of hypocrisy.

I'm kind of curious, why does it matter if they played the game via downloading as opposed to buying it? :V

[einhorn303]

Also
I'm kind of curious, why does it matter if they played the game via downloading as opposed to buying it? :V

I was referring to the fact that the person posted:

>>This man should arrested for copyright infringement. How dare he steal the concept of Touhou and not give credit!

Hence, it's hypocrisy since he's committing a copyright violation and stealing something himself.

[Formless God]

Okay, forget the interface.

So...how else do you propose making the interface for a 2P shmup? Besides the obvious splitscreen, the only two similarities they have in interface are:

1. A number at the top of the screen (presumably counting score)
2. A gauge at the bottom of the screen (presumably counting charge)

I still fail to see similarities.

Also ... look at that thing above the book on the right screen. Isn't it a familiar after going into contact with your scope ? And wow, it's even SHAKING :V

[Sen]

I was referring to the fact that the person posted:

Hence, it's hypocrisy since he's committing a copyright violation and stealing something himself.

...
Wow, I totally missed that part of your post. Derp :V

[einhorn303]

I think this really highlights one of the key issues that holds back the development of the Western doujin scene: an obsession with individuality and the myth of the "Absolute Artist" from whose mind alone creative works spring forth. This is a myth...in reality, creating art is a communal process. Every creative work is a response to the body of work which preceded it. By taking previously existing forms and building upon them, bit by bit, we come closer to an ideal work which better represents our communal concepts and desires. It is a corruption of art to make it a pursuit of personal glory and "unique"-ness, as common as this corruption is in our corners of Internet culture.

We can see many manifestations of this individuality obsession in Western doujin culture, from the preponderance of self-insert characters, to the constant parroting of "rip-off!" "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" is a meme, but like many memes, it represents a basic social fact: that our Western society idolizes and romanticizes a sacred "artistic originality" which is more golden idol than concrete reality.

For a deeper explanation of the "myth of the Absolute Artist," I recommend this book: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/soussloff_absolute.html

Also ... look at that thing above the book on the right screen. Isn't it a familiar after going into contact with your scope ? And wow, it's even SHAKING :V

We have no idea what that represents. It looks to me like it's involved in flipping through the little "spellbook," or that it represents the charge gauge is full.

Remember, it's not a good idea to speculate too heavily based on screenshots alone, especially mock-up pencil screenshots of something that doesn't even exist yet and is only in the planning stage.

[Drake]

I still don't see why everyone cares so much.

Step 1: Go register.
Step 2: Vote for something else. Enough people are voting for The Artifact, vote for something else.
Step 3: Watch the game go nowhere.

[Suikama]

I still don't see why everyone cares so much.

Step 1: Go register.
Step 2: Vote for something else. Enough people are voting for The Artifact, vote for something else.
Step 3: Watch the game go nowhere.

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[Azinth]

I still don't see why everyone cares so much.

Because Touhou fandom.

[Formless God]

We have no idea what that represents. It looks to me like it's involved in flipping through the little "spellbook," or that it represents the charge gauge is full.

Or a really conveniently placed fire. Anyway we need to wait for the actual in-game screenshots :V

[beaver1231]

Or a really conveniently placed fire. Anyway we need to wait for the actual in-game screenshots :V

To Lishy and Formless God waiting for actual gameplay:

By then it'll be too late. You probably won't be able to stop the release by then. Prevention is better than cure. Make a choice, support it or don't.

I arguing here 'cause the debate's just started. Also, I'm still sore about the about the interface looking nearly identical to PoFV.

The games that were mentioned might play the same, but at least they have an interface largely unique on their own. That drawn screenshot however looks far too identical to PoFV. While copying gameplay concepts is nothing new these days, (Hollywood, the gaming industry in the west), copying the screen is more of a ripoff rather than a homage.

E.g. Hollow World of God.

While screenshots look largely similar to MoF, at least you can see something called "Money". At least the screenshots show completely different attack patterns from Touhou itself. At least it mentioned Touhou or something that can be traced back to Japan.

I should probably vote instead of complain in forums all day long...

Wait, have I degraded myself from 'normal fan' to 'Rabid Fanboy'?

[Seian Verian]

Wait, have I degraded myself from 'normal fan' to 'Rabid Fanboy'?

I think you have. You should be ashamed. Very, very ashamed.

[beaver1231]

I think you have. You should be ashamed. Very, very ashamed.

Also, beej made a new comment. You won't like it though...

Let's hope that was a cruel joke.

I won't spoil it for you.

Also is this Seihou Kioh Gyoku?

[Observer]

Indeed it is. But it's actually a bit different from PoFV and such. Remember all that graze-obsessed mechanics and the super speed remorseless, merciless bullets.

Oh, and Yuka is featured in that game. I like crossovers like that. Or think about the Samidare pilots entering Gensokyo or being featured in Rayging Blues.

So, did things calm down? Can we start caring about C77 or something?

P.S.: Remilia's block/defense is the most awesomely cute defense ever.

[beaver1231]

Indeed it is. But it's actually a bit different from PoFV and such. Remember all that graze-obsessed mechanics and the super speed remorseless, merciless bullets.

Oh, and Yuka is featured in that game. I like crossovers like that. Or think about the Samidare pilots entering Gensokyo or being featured in Rayging Blues.

So, did things calm down? Can we start caring about C77 or something?

P.S.: Remilia's block/defense is the most awesomely cute defense ever.

Mostly. But the latest comment is sure to piss people off.

Also, did shmupnut (person who used to run Shoot the core website) mention anything about C77?

I;m following this issue very closely because I want to see what's happens next.

[Observer]

Also, did shmupnut (person who used to run Shoot the core website) mention anything about C77?

To everyone else, sorry to hijack this thread.  :V

I mentioned this to Ghaleon too (a C77 topic) and, nope, couldn't contact postman (also known as shmupnut) but I fear little in terms of games will be released. Mostly trials and few full versions. The gold mine was between C72-C74. C75 showed a considerable shortage and C76 was plain awful on the game side. Big highlights are Alternative Sphere and eXceed 3rd Black Package... and not much else =/

I'll try to contact him and see if we can coordinate something.

[beaver1231]

To everyone else, sorry to hijack this thread.  :V

I mentioned this to Ghaleon too (a C77 topic) and, nope, couldn't contact postman (also known as shmupnut) but I fear little in terms of games will be released. Mostly trials and few full versions. The gold mine was between C72-C74. C75 showed a considerable shortage and C76 was plain awful on the game side. Big highlights are Alternative Sphere and eXceed 3rd Black Package... and not much else =/

I'll try to contact him and see if we can coordinate something.

No Siter Skain? Aw. Where's Alltynex 2nd? Postman's website used to be so great...

[Formless God]

I KNEW IT HAD TO BE ONE OF WRIGGLE'S SPELL CARDS.

To Lishy and Formless God waiting for actual gameplay:

By then it'll be too late. You probably won't be able to stop the release by then. Prevention is better than cure. Make a choice, support it or don't.

DON'T. This game is a ripoff, even Touhou is a ripoff if Lishy says so, but this beej dude claimed everything to be original :V

Btw eye do not comprehend his latest comment

[Bananamatic]

"I've never heard "shmup" before!"

gb2kitchen

Seriously, the judges are dumb as hell.

[beaver1231]

I KNEW IT HAD TO BE ONE OF WRIGGLE'S SPELL CARDS.

DON'T. This game is a ripoff, even Touhou is a ripoff if Lishy says so, but this beej dude claimed everything to be original :V

Btw eye do not comprehend his latest comment

Get it?