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Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« on: December 08, 2009, 09:00:29 PM »
Hi, i'm sorta new to the whole Touhou hell shooter stuff but I love the idea and adore alot of the characters. Particularly the scarlet sisters. Remilia seems like an open book, bratty, stubborn, but a fairly normal... er... well about as normal as a Gensokyian vampire can be, person. Flandre however seems more mysterious. I get different ideas from different sources and I've been able to limit it down to these two possible reasons she's kept locked up
1. she's completely nuts and being locked in a basement hasn't improved her... "tendencies" for mayhem and bloodlust and the term "play" means to boot head.
2. she's a complete spaz by reason of ADHD. Beleive me, when one is locked up and supressed with ADHD, they tend to become EXTREMELY hyper and when exposed to high amounts of new stimulation, such as being released into gensokyo, one tends to... well.... ashplode. it also makes one keep alot of childishness in their emotions, such as when she asked Reimu to "play" in the extra stage.

I'm leaning towards her being ADHD. She just doesn't seem like she's nuts. Whaddajoo guys think?
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 09:06:12 PM »
I recall reading something said she ussualy stays to the basement of her own will...

But then again my mind is likely fabricating this.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 09:08:15 PM »
Insane.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 09:09:41 PM »
refering to Rikter:

Hmm... sounds like a freind of mine, staying in the basement of their own free will... video game addict mooching off her older sister?
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 09:12:44 PM »
Flandre isn't crazy, fans just assume this because she has spell cards named after a book about a serial killer, and she likes to have her meat* made into cakes

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 09:18:14 PM »
Flandre isn't crazy, fans just assume this because she has spell cards named after a book about a serial killer, and she likes to have her meat* made into cakes

*human flesh and organs.
Vampires drink blood, they don't eat the whole thing. I was thinking about "prepared meals" more along the lines of the hellsing anime. Blood packet with a bowl and spoon, liek fancy soup... but not.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 09:18:31 PM »
Flandre isn't crazy, fans just assume this because she has spell cards named after a book about a serial killer, and she likes to have her meat* made into cakes
And the fact that her older sister keeps her locked in the basement was because they had an argument the day before EoSD, right?

...oh, wait, she's been there for 495 years.  Guess not.

You don't keep someone locked up - much less your sister - for ADHD on the scale of YEARS, much less centuries.  Flandre is a psycho, simple as that.  Fans are the ones who came up with the adorable little distractable super loli; ZUN created a monster.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 09:23:42 PM »
I don't really see her as insane, but rather destructive only with powers she can't seem to control herself. That's why she's locked in the basement. So she doesn't blow the shit out of everything in Gensokyo just because she wants to play.

Of course, if you let her out and she finds out that her food are from human flesh, she could go on a murderous rampage in the human village only because she doesn't know any better. It's their nature to kill humans, and Flandre would be reacting as such.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 09:32:57 PM »
You don't keep someone locked up - much less your sister - for ADHD on the scale of YEARS, much less centuries.  Flandre is a psycho, simple as that.
Or Remillia is a bit on the bitch scale.  :V Or not really good at reacting. Flandre has the power to literally, kill the crap out of many many things if not everything. Remillia deals with this by telling her to stay in the basement and bailing on her sister, leaving her alone for years on years. This isn't straightfowardly mentioned, its also inferred like 'Remillia did it because her sister kills people to bits and pieces and is too dangerous to have anywhere'.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 09:41:41 PM »
Of course she's normal. Everyone else is insane.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 09:43:49 PM »
Sorta insane, but not any more or less so than anyone else in Gensokyo.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 09:49:38 PM »
Sorta insane, but not any more or less so than anyone else in Gensokyo.
Or maybe shes just...Super sane. o . o...

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 09:51:05 PM »
Quote from: Flandre
I've never seen humans as anything else but a drink.

Well...

Hmmm... Anyway, the way I see it, there's a chance she wasn't insane to begin with, at the very least.  I could imagine Remi being terrified of her sister's power and locking her up to keep her from going out of control.

Unfortunately, being locked in the basement for almost five centuries with little to no contact with anyone else would very likely have had a detrimental effect on her sanity.  From her dialogue, it's clear that she's at the very least emotionally stunted.  In all honesty, I could see her as being psychologically unstable to at least some degree.

But yeah, everyone else in Gensokyo is crazy too, so the point's kind of moot~
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 10:29:39 PM »
Flandre stays in the basement of her own volition because she respects her sister and looks up to her as a motherly figure. It would be easy for her to break out at any time. Remilia holds frequent parties, and Flandre comes out at these times as well; she isn't as bound as most people think she is. Remilia is slowly training her to use her powers on a smaller scale as to not become a menace to the peaceful world they moved to. She doesn't tell Flandre that she eats people because Flan would likely not know any better and flatten the human villages without a second thought. Without human blood to feed on, they would likely both die; so this is necessary for their survival.

She taught her the spell card system, which she actually uses when playing with the heroines, and Remilia fated a meteor to enter Gensokyo's orbit so that Flan could destroy it. While many people think of Remilia as a spoiled bitch, she may be, but she is looking out for her sister and is keeping her powers under control in the best possible way she can. Whether is was out of fear for her life and for others is a different matter entirely. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If Flan wasn't insane to begin with, her powers could have likely driven her to her current state, as well as keeping out of contact with people for many, many years. Social contact is the main influence for people to mature, which Flan did not have. As such, she is burdened with a childish mind, and when she's in the basement her imagination can run wildly, which would also be a large factor.

Flan's behaviour is much like a child; and what would a child do with the power to destroy? They would end up weaving a path of destruction, most likely. Calling it ADHD would be a misdiagnosis. Her psychological and social development is stunted and her powers make her dangerous, but she is not insane. The respect she holds for her sister at the very least shows that she isn't just a maniac. Without her destructive powers, what would she be? Just an "everyday" vampire. There would be no need to keep her in the basement, she would not be socially underdeveloped, and she would probably sit at Remilia's right hand. She would not be dubbed insane.

Thus I conclude that her powers are the entire problem, Flan as a result has a childlike psyche and she is in fact, not insane.



Flandre stays in the basement of her own volition because she respects her sister and looks up to her as a motherly figure. It would be easy for her to break out at any time. Remilia holds frequent parties, and Flandre comes out at these times as well; she isn't as bound as most people think she is. Remilia is slowly training her to use her powers on a smaller scale as to not become a menace to the peaceful world they moved to. She doesn't tell Flandre that she eats people because Flan would likely not know any better and flatten the human villages without a second thought. Without human blood to feed on, they would likely both die; so this is necessary for their survival.

She taught her the spell card system, which she actually uses when playing with the heroines, and Remilia fated a meteor to enter Gensokyo's orbit so that Flan could destroy it. While many people think of Remilia as a spoiled bitch, she may be, but she is looking out for her sister and is keeping her powers under control in the best possible way she can. Whether is was out of fear for her life and for others is a different matter entirely. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If Flan wasn't insane to begin with, her powers could have likely driven her to her current state, as well as keeping out of contact with people for many, many years. Social contact is the main influence for people to mature, which Flan did not have. As such, she is burdened with a childish mind, and when she's in the basement her imagination can run wildly, which would also be a large factor.

Flan, if let outdoors, would be able to catch her own food easily, as she would just kill random humans as she pleased, whether she's insane or not. It's her social ineptitude that makes her unable to care for herself and have such a dependence on her sister; as it was probably planned by Remilia in the first place. If Flan's power was that unstable, then making her dependent on the only person who can control her is the perfect way to keep her in check. Flandre respects Remilia more than anyone else and Remilia takes advantage of that to keep her still.

Flandre is obviously more childish than Remilia. If not shown by the dialogue in-game that Remilia is actually fairly civilized as opposed to Flandre, it's also shown in PMiSS and BAiJR. Yes, Remilia is childish, but only in the sense that she might whine or cry when something bad happens, or that she's a bit self-centered. Mostly, she's fairly mature and put-together. The entire reason people call Flan insane to begin with is that nearly any time she's introduced, she will destroy something because of her childlike state of mind and unstable powers, and nobody can see beyond that because they're afraid of her. The difference between Remilia being insane and Flandre being insane isn't because Flandre actually is insane, but because Remilia has been exposed to social interaction her entire life (500 years is enough to act fairly civilized, one would think) and her powers aren't destructive enough to blow up a meteor.

The reason Flan doesn't mind being down in the basement all the time is because ever since she was five she's been locked up. It's what she has done her entire life. She is let out on some occasions, but these are probably regarded as privileges and a special treat, not the basement being a punishment. She looks up to her sister and does what Remilia thinks is best for her, which is probably true.

Flan's behaviour is much like a child; and what would a child do with the power to destroy? They would end up weaving a path of destruction, most likely. Calling it ADHD would be a misdiagnosis. Her psychological and social development is stunted and her powers make her dangerous, but she is not insane. The respect she holds for her sister at the very least shows that she isn't just a maniac. Without her destructive powers, what would she be? Just an "everyday" vampire. There would be no need to keep her in the basement, she would not be socially underdeveloped, and she would probably sit at Remilia's right hand. She would not be dubbed insane.

I conclude that her powers are the entire problem, Flan as a result has a childlike psyche and she is in fact, not insane.

Here's another way of thinking about it. Remilia can manipulate fate. Flandre obeying her and staying in the basement is accomplished because Remilia uses her powers to control Flan' fate. Flan never questioning what she eats, Flan coming up only when Remilia wants her to and respecting Remilia in general: is all controlled by her powers. Why do you think they moved to Gensokyo? Why does Flan only escape from the mansion immediately after the heroines defeats Remilia, and the heroines just so happen to be there on the day Flan gets loose? Think about it.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 10:39:55 PM »
I couldn't word it better my self. Straight PMiSS and BAiJR material there.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 10:59:24 PM »
Flandre stays in the basement of her own volition because she respects her sister and looks up to her as a motherly figure. It would be easy for her to break out at any time. Remilia holds frequent parties, and Flandre comes out at these times as well; she isn't as bound as most people think she is. Remilia is slowly training her to use her powers on a smaller scale as to not become a menace to the peaceful world they moved to. She doesn't tell Flandre that she eats people because Flan would likely not know any better and flatten the human villages without a second thought. Without human blood to feed on, they would likely both die; so this is necessary for their survival.

She taught her the spell card system, which she actually uses when playing with the heroines, and Remilia fated a meteor to enter Gensokyo's orbit so that Flan could destroy it. While many people think of Remilia as a spoiled bitch, she may be, but she is looking out for her sister and is keeping her powers under control in the best possible way she can. Whether is was out of fear for her life and for others is a different matter entirely. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If Flan wasn't insane to begin with, her powers could have likely driven her to her current state, as well as keeping out of contact with people for many, many years. Social contact is the main influence for people to mature, which Flan did not have. As such, she is burdened with a childish mind, and when she's in the basement her imagination can run wildly, which would also be a large factor.

Flan's behaviour is much like a child; and what would a child do with the power to destroy? They would end up weaving a path of destruction, most likely. Calling it ADHD would be a misdiagnosis. Her psychological and social development is stunted and her powers make her dangerous, but she is not insane. The respect she holds for her sister at the very least shows that she isn't just a maniac. Without her destructive powers, what would she be? Just an "everyday" vampire. There would be no need to keep her in the basement, she would not be socially underdeveloped, and she would probably sit at Remilia's right hand. She would not be dubbed insane.

Thus I conclude that her powers are the entire problem, Flan as a result has a childlike psyche and she is in fact, not insane.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 11:01:19 PM »
Something tells me that Drake IS a teacher for Gensokyo. A psychologist, otherwise.

Yeah, it's not so much Flan being insane so much as Flan's power being insane. Remi's just trying to keep her out of trouble, like any big sister would.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 11:57:18 PM »
Edit: Drake said it better.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2009, 12:20:06 AM »
Yeah. Drake summed up my thoughts exactly.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 12:26:45 AM »
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 01:19:03 AM »
I've recently wondered how it is that she can be locked up at all, with the power that she has. My theory is that she entered into a contract with Remilia promising not to leave the mansion without permission (or blow it up) in exchange for Remilia feeding and taking care of her. Since vampires are a sub-type of devil, and devils are (presumably supernaturally) incapable of breaking their contracts, she thus ensures that she and Gensokyo are protected against the worst possible results of her insanity. And yes, I think she's insane. I don't think that she's called that just because she's childish, because Remilia is just as childish and no one thinks she's crazy. Both girls are childish and always will be because vampirism impedes not just physical aging and development, but mental aging and development as well (see Imperishable Night manual). If I had to guess just what form of insanity she has, I'd guess one of the schizoform disorders, based on her asocial behavior (she doesn't actually mind being locked in the basement alone, at least most of the time) and peculiar manner of speaking (Aya couldn't understand her very well in her interview).

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2009, 02:11:15 AM »
Hard to say I'd like to say misunderstood mainly because of the pictures i see of her with Meiling and others.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2009, 02:30:13 AM »
She couldn't understand Remilia very well either. They both use ancient japanese.

Starting a contract such as that is ridiculous. Flan, if let outdoors, would be able to catch her own food easily, as she would just kill random humans as she pleased, whether she's insane or not. One, it's her social ineptitude that makes her unable to care for herself and have such a dependence on her sister; as it was probably planned by Remilia in the first place. If Flan's power was that unstable, then making her dependent on the only person who can control her is the perfect way to keep her in check. And two, if she was originally truly insane she would have probably fought Remilia if a contract like that was suggested, and it definitely wouldn't have been initiated by herself. Flandre respects Remilia more than anyone else and Remilia takes advantage of that to keep her still. There's no real evidence here to suggest that a contract could have been brought into place.

Flandre is obviously more childish than Remilia. If not shown by the dialogue in-game that Remilia is actually fairly civilized as opposed to Flandre, it's also shown in PMiSS and BAiJR. Yes, Remilia is childish, but only in the sense that she might whine or cry when something bad happens, or that she's a bit self-centered. Mostly, she's fairly mature and put-together. The entire reason people call Flan insane to begin with is that nearly any time she's introduced, she will destroy something because of her childlike state of mind and unstable powers, and nobody can see beyond that because they're afraid of her. The difference between Remilia being insane and Flandre being insane isn't because Flandre actually is insane, but because Remilia has been exposed to social interaction her entire life (500 years is enough to act fairly civilized, one would think) and her powers aren't destructive enough to blow up a meteor.

The reason Flan doesn't mind being down in the basement all the time is because ever since she was five she's been locked up. It's what she has done her entire life. She is let out on some occasions, but these are probably regarded as privileges and a special treat, not the basement being a punishment. She looks up to her sister and does what Remilia thinks is best for her, which is probably true.

Here's another way of thinking about it. Remilia can manipulate fate. Flandre obeying her and staying in the basement is accomplished because Remilia uses her powers to control Flan' fate. Flan never questioning what she eats, Flan coming up only when Remilia wants her to and respecting Remilia in general: is all controlled by her powers. Why do you think they moved to Gensokyo? Why does Flan only escape from the mansion immediately after the heroines defeats Remilia, and the heroines just so happen to be there on the day Flan gets loose? Think about it.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2009, 06:08:48 AM »
Pretty much everything Drake said.

Insanity is just fanon bullshit
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2009, 06:10:54 AM »
Drake owned this thread.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2009, 06:12:47 AM »
Pretty much everything Drake said.

Insanity is just fanon bullshit

Personally I think it's a rather logical extrapolation of what would happen to someone if they were, y'know, locked in the basement alone for five centuries.

But that's just me, it seems~

But yeah, Drake's onto something here.  Really, if I actually believed in the concept of fate I'd probably go with that theory too.
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2009, 06:30:51 AM »
Pretty much everything Drake said.

Insanity is just fanon bullshit

I'm fine with both interpretations. Drake makes a good argument as to why Flandre could be sane, but it's not 'proof' by any means. In terms of a court case, if 'Guilty' was represented as Flandre being insane, Drake demonstrated reasonable doubt.

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2009, 06:33:18 AM »
...Yea Drake did kinda just own this thread.....
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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2009, 07:26:03 AM »
What Drake said, and I came to the same conclusion in my own analysis thread as well.

Also, wat? A meteor? Where does that happen? I'm pretty sure it isn't in PMiSS, so is it in BAiJR?

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Re: Flandre Scarlet, insane or misunderstood?
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2009, 07:57:46 AM »
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Flandre

Quote from: ZUN
She's kind of nuts and isn't usually allowed out of the cellar, but she usually doesn't try to let herself out.

She really respects her older sister Remilia, but her raw destructive power far exceeds that of her sister's. Although she is usually docile, her insanity makes it difficult for others to understand her.

When vampires attack humans, they generally try to take their prey alive so that they can suck its blood afterward, but Flandre has always been fed with cooked dishes, so she doesn't know how to properly attack a human. Whenever she tries to attack a human, she fusses too much and blows them away without leaving a spot of blood.

Perhaps she can't tell that her daily meals are made from living humans.

Her meals look like such harmless foodstuffs as cake and tea, after all...

Remilia is such a nice elder sister. She fulfills the role of an elder sister, mistress and spoiled brat at the same time. This is why she is my favorite character. >:3