Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread

[MysTeariousYukari]

Serela, I am using the 10F optional and my Remi has better DEF, MND and *WAY* better HP, roughly 2x the HP infact, then the 10F optional >.> That or very similar DEF and MND stats, being maybe 250~ apart...

Spoiler:

10F optional, Tenshi, has... 1200 DEF more then Remi and about 200 more MND... Um wow, 66 DEF Level Bonus makes a big diff >.< That's... 3x DEF in sheer stats compared to Remi is Tenshi has that DEF buff in place ._. Ok, you can ignore the "my Remi has more DEF and MND" bit, Tenshi is like the "Penultimate Tank".

Is their any point to killing the Lily Sigil Guardian?

[Ghaleon]

Serela, I am using the 10F optional and my Remi has better DEF, MND and *WAY* better HP, roughly 2x the HP infact, then the 10F optional >.> That or very similar DEF and MND stats, being maybe 250~ apart...

Spoiler:

10F optional, Tenshi, has... 1200 DEF more then Remi and about 200 more MND... Um wow, 66 DEF Level Bonus makes a big diff >.< That's... 3x DEF in sheer stats compared to Remi is Tenshi has that DEF buff in place ._. Ok, you can ignore the "my Remi has more DEF and MND" bit, Tenshi is like the "Penultimate Tank".

Is their any point to killing the Lily Sigil Guardian?

Spoiler:

Tenshi has the best total def+mnd in the game, her hp should still be lower than remi's though, and she's also pretty useless as anything but a wall really. Hong can heal/cure, remi can dps, tenshi can't even switch people out very well cuz her speed is practically patchy-bad. I use her mostly for sword of rapture (which doesn't work on 90% of the buffs you wish it would on), and a temp-wall for when another one of my tanks has to switch out to gain sp

.

Problem with this game is that there are precious few tanks, every player is pretty much forced to use just about all of them because there is no real variety in that catagory.

[Serela]

Serela, I am using the 10F optional and my Remi has better DEF, MND and *WAY* better HP, roughly 2x the HP infact, then the 10F optional >.> That or very similar DEF and MND stats, being maybe 250~ apart...

Spoiler:

10F optional, Tenshi, has... 1200 DEF more then Remi and about 200 more MND... Um wow, 66 DEF Level Bonus makes a big diff >.< That's... 3x DEF in sheer stats compared to Remi is Tenshi has that DEF buff in place ._. Ok, you can ignore the "my Remi has more DEF and MND" bit, Tenshi is like the "Penultimate Tank".

Is their any point to killing the Lily Sigil Guardian?

Her buff also doubles her DEF and MND making almost everything do 0 damage if you are not very underleveled; the side effects can be disabled with resistance equipment.

She basically trivializes many many bosses if you abuse her. Which is why I'm not doing so on my second playthrough. She isn't very useful at all against bosses she can't 0 HP wall anyway. Although, 18F boss will be MUCH harder for me this time...

And the Lily Sigil basically just opens up some areas in 16F that each have a piece of very nice equipment. You want to beat it eventually, but its not a pressing matter.

Problem with this game is that there are precious few tanks, every player is pretty much forced to use just about all of them because there is no real variety in that catagory.

Well, you've got Meiling, Remi, 7F and 10F as big tankers, along with 16F and others as pretty good ones. So, you do at least have SOME decision, as long as you use at least 2 big tankers you should be okay.

[Anima Zero]

Reimu lv157 and I've scored another pair of drops from 20F farming.  Hellfire Demonsky and Raijin's Expenditure have both surrendered their drops (Raijin was a little prick in coughing it up though).

As an amusing note...either my 15F optional girl has terrible luck or 95% of the time I let a Raijin attack, it almost always hits her with the 1st or 2nd bolt and OHKOs her.

In terms of items, I've got one of everything except for one on the 9th page (Between Shiva's Leather Boots and I believe the Power Dragon Scalemail) and the one at the very bottom of the 10th page.

Thinking the last two items for 100 items will only be collectable after the final boss kicks the bucket.

Guess the only thing to do now is make sure my team of 12 is well prepared for the fight.  I do have ~1.7 mil Skill Points to spend as a result of going after the Hellfire and Raijin enemy drops.

Here's hoping my team does as well as it has thus far (Spoilers about my team forthcoming!).

Spoiler:

Remilia
Rinnosuke
Yuugi
Flandre
Reimu
Marisa
Sanae
Hong
Eirin
Alice
Yukari
Komachi

Spoiler:

Eirin

replaced Patchy and

Spoiler:

Yukari

replaced

Spoiler:

Suika

.  I feel that Patchy has kinda lost her edge due to her abysmal HP level and low SPD at this point.  Then again, she may be needed down the road.

Spoiler:

Yukari

is in so I can have a backup defense buffer incase Reimu needs to regen SP in the back row for any reason.

[Suikaismaiwaifu]

I accidentally ran into a certain flame bitch on floor 12 and got raped. Any tips on how to fight her? My characters are around lv 57-60, should I grind more?

[Garlyle]

I accidentally ran into a certain flame bitch on floor 12 and got raped. Any tips on how to fight her? My characters are around lv 57-60, should I grind more?

Oh, that one!  There's been a lot of talk about her already, so here's the summary:

Spoiler:

Yeah, level up a bit more, first off.  Probably about 62-65 is my minimum recommendation.  Wu and Curse of Iwasaka and stuff shouldn't be doing much to you.

Anyway, there are two steps to this boss.  The first is just general battle tactics and tearing through the majority of her HP.  It's not too hard if you're decently levelled.  However, during this time, you want to prepare at least a couple 'nuke' characters - at least a Marisa with maximum boosted Magic, but possibly also one or two other characters ready to be swapped in to let out a powerful attack (Nitori's Megawatt Gun, Patchy's Silent Selene).  As Curse of Iwasaka lowers attack power, you may want to try taking advantage of Ran's buffs, as they can buff an ally that's in reserve as well.

When the boss uses "Ressurection", you want to IMMEDIATELY swap in Marisa and any other damage dealers, and finish her off with your most powerful moves.  She only has about... 80-90k HP left?  However, if she gets a turn, she'll cast Fujiyama Volcano and basically waste your party in one shot.  Plus, her activation of Ressurection is automatic when she hits a certain HP amount, and removes all status changes from her in the process, so don't count on SPD Down or anything like that to save you (Although you CAN re-inflict it, or PAR, but don't count on it!)

[MysTeariousYukari]

That boss is dangerous, I'd say 65+ for it, to be safe.

Spoiler:

Her Res move, for what I've seen isn't Automatic or anything, it seems to only trigger once her HP is low enough AND she gets a turn, then after Res, her turn gauge is empty/low. Now, if your Marisa has a +100% MAG in effect from various buffs such as her Concentration, when you pull her out and she Master Sparks, you should see about 90k+ damage dealt, assuming your high enough level that is. I would still have other chars use strong move though, should they go before Marisa as the last thing I'd want to happen to you is that Spark doesn't finish herand she beats you cause you thought Spark would win it for you.

Lily Sigil Guardian is dead :toot:

Now for me to grind more. No rest for the weary, wicked or Touhou players xD

[Pesco]

If you want to speed up the grinding, set the address I posted last page to 200. 100 sometimes isn't good enough apparently.

[MysTeariousYukari]

I am assuming thats a cheat thingie, right? I personally don't like cheats, so I'll have to manually grind.

Edit:

Spoiler:

Master Spark is useless on Flandre O.O Full buff on my Marisa dealt a little over 20,000 ._. then Flandre used Laevatein, which reminds me of the EoSD spell card Counter-Clock >.> How much HP does she have anyway? 350k... 400k or something?

Floor 16 isn't so bad for me now that I've leveled up a good deal, but it's still hellish.

I am getting better at this game

[Ghaleon]

I am assuming thats a cheat thingie, right? I personally don't like cheats, so I'll have to manually grind.

Edit:

Spoiler:

Master Spark is useless on Flandre O.O Full buff on my Marisa dealt a little over 20,000 ._. then Flandre used Laevatein, which reminds me of the EoSD spell card Counter-Clock >.> How much HP does she have anyway? 350k... 400k or something?

Floor 16 isn't so bad for me now that I've leveled up a good deal, but it's still hellish.

I am getting better at this game

Spoiler:

Flandre is like alot of the post game bosses where she just spams her most powerful spell over and over when she's almost defeated, which is laevatein.  I can't remember how many hp she has though (not even close, sorry). I'd rekon that her levi phase means she's at around 10% health or less though.

As for cheating, I don't like cheating either. However I DO like this game, and I don't like grinding, and I flat out do NOT have the time to grind to level 1500.

I haven't cheated yet and I'm at level 320-something (reimu). But I'm at the end of the road for floors. To think that future bosses can 1-shot me at level 1000 even, and that I have to grind all that exp by the same mobs that take like 10 fights just to level me up at level 300 is pretty mind-boggling. I really can't see how anybody can spend that much time leveling.

I'll probably level up legit until I can take out the first boss on floor 30, see how bad the next owns me, then cheat myself. Only because if I don't, I know I'd just stop playing that particular file altogether before long.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ok, thanks Ghaleon:) I detect a Lunar: Sliver Star reference in that name

Spoiler:

10%... X.X The killing combo is ALWAYS Laevatein, Forbidden Fruit, Forbidden Fruit... Flandre seems to be almost pure Physical Dmg, the only Magic moves she used were a weak Flame Wind, Multi-target fire-based, and the infamous Flowing Hellfire, Flandre's version seems nerfed though, dealing about 1100~ tops for what I remember.

[Pesco]

15F girl doesn't have that much HP compared to the other bosses. She horribly weak to magic and stacked up affinities should be good enough to save your ass.

[Anima Zero]

Let's see...took out the final boss today, then took out a couple Bloodstained Seals, a pair of Mk2 bosses, and just now cleared Boss Rush.  Pretty good thus far.

[Ghaleon]

Let's see...took out the final boss today, then took out a couple Bloodstained Seals, a pair of Mk2 bosses, and just now cleared Boss Rush.  Pretty good thus far.

You're at one of the best parts of the game. Once you're out of mk 2 bosses though, don't bother trying to beat the floor 21 boss, it's harder than like all the bosses until floor 25 or so.

[thechef0]

Does anyone know the drop rate for items?  I've been on 20f for hours trying to get the Flower Blade Kikuryusei and still nothing...

[Tankatron]

So...where exactly are the stairs to the 21st Floor?
Do I need to get all the stars first? Got 3 so far and the only 2 left are Ver.2 bosses (not so bad right now) and the last Bloodstained Seal boss ( I don't like this thing...)

[Serela]

So...where exactly are the stairs to the 21st Floor?
Do I need to get all the stars first? Got 3 so far and the only 2 left are Ver.2 bosses (not so bad right now) and the last Bloodstained Seal boss ( I don't like this thing...)

Right next to where the final boss has been. You just need 3 stars to get past a thing in 21F and you're good.

Although, you need to be like Reimu lv200~210 I think, or you'll be raped.

[Ghaleon]

Does anyone know the drop rate for items?  I've been on 20f for hours trying to get the Flower Blade Kikuryusei and still nothing...

It's really low. I don't know what the % is but I only got 1 myself, and that's from using floor 20f as my leveling floor from levels 130-230...maybe more. Oh, and that includes retreating from the enemies whose drops I didn't like (lightning dwarf, and uhh. some other one)

[Tankatron]

Ugh. I feel like such a scrub right now.
Bumped all around 20F and stared at my screen for a while...
Nothing. I can't find any stairs anywhere near the final boss or anywhere on the floor.

Anyone got like a picture or something? This is driving me nuts and I'm sure when I see where they are I'll facepalm like no tomorrow

[Serela]

Ugh. I feel like such a scrub right now.
Bumped all around 20F and stared at my screen for a while...
Nothing. I can't find any stairs anywhere near the final boss or anywhere on the floor.

Anyone got like a picture or something? This is driving me nuts and I'm sure when I see where they are I'll facepalm like no tomorrow

Its like 3 squares away from the final boss, and appear after you beat her once; if you can't see them, then you probably don't have them. Which means something is wrong, like, you didn't copy over plus disk files when you patched the game and such.

[Tankatron]

Its like 3 squares away from the final boss, and appear after you beat her once; if you can't see them, then you probably don't have them. Which means something is wrong, like, you didn't copy over plus disk files when you patched the game and such.

Now THAT would suck.
I would think that I do have the files since I still have 8 blank spaces for the plus-disk characters at the shrine...oh man...this is bad...

[Ghaleon]

Now THAT would suck.
I would think that I do have the files since I still have 8 blank spaces for the plus-disk characters at the shrine...oh man...this is bad...

Maybe you beat the final boss and quit during the credits or something. try doing it again and make sure you save after.

[Tankatron]

Maybe you beat the final boss and quit during the credits or something. try doing it again and make sure you save after.

No no that's not it. I've beat her so many times. She's just a joke now at our level.
Not to mention I have the star for beating her. I'll give it one more go just for good measure.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Wow, I am doing GREAT!

Spoiler:

I beat Flandre, got Suika, beat Kaguya's Foe and got Kaguya, found the 6F Bloody Seal Boss and got raped in the ass by Yukari... Djinn Storm is a prick.

[Tankatron]

I-I-I...I don't know what to do. I really think I've tried every possibility I can think of.
If this game is really telling me that my 130 hours are just done...then I'm sad.

And ya know, I would restart, but whose to say it won't just happen again. Oh man...
oh man...this sucks.

[Ghaleon]

I-I-I...I don't know what to do. I really think I've tried every possibility I can think of.
If this game is really telling me that my 130 hours are just done...then I'm sad.

And ya know, I would restart, but whose to say it won't just happen again. Oh man...
oh man...this sucks.

Try saving your save files and reinstalling? Maybe you borked the plus disk installation process or something.

Plus disk content isn't as cool as the not so plus disk content IMO though.

[trancehime]

Spoiler:

Okay, my progress of beating this guy over and over again is slowing down considerably. At the 25th count now, a quarter of the way to beating him a hundred times! Levels are around the 1400 mark, and I have a boatload of his drops now. Every one of my fighting party now has a Regalia outfitted :3 I might actually start doing request fights against this guy now. Maybe.

[Tankatron]

Try saving your save files and reinstalling? Maybe you borked the plus disk installation process or something.

Plus disk content isn't as cool as the not so plus disk content IMO though.

Well that falls under "Everything I could think of". Heh. Tried again and still no luck.
Ah geez. I think this is the end of my dungeon exlporing days. Now it's the weekend and there's not much to do. Think I'll go kick the final boss around to let loose some anger.

[Garlyle]

Well that falls under "Everything I could think of". Heh. Tried again and still no luck.
Ah geez. I think this is the end of my dungeon exlporing days. Now it's the weekend and there's not much to do. Think I'll go kick the final boss around to let loose some anger.

Send your save file to someone else with the game and let them go to the F21 relay point (It should be easy to find) then have them send it back.

If the stairs don't appear for THEM... then you don't have the conditions for the stairs to appear.

[Ghaleon]

Send your save file to someone else with the game and let them go to the F21 relay point (It should be easy to find) then have them send it back.

If the stairs don't appear for THEM... then you don't have the conditions for the stairs to appear.

21F doesn't have a relay point for the entire floor. I'm sure (s)he doesn'tw ant to skip an entire floor's worth of content.