Author Topic: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread (Read 295346 times)

Milkyway64 · « **Reply #750 on:** December 27, 2009, 12:26:00 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on December 27, 2009, 09:47:59 AM

This, though I don't think that's what you wanted to hear, I'm just emphasizing however that I'm pretty darn sure there is NO other way to get the items prior to floor 20 (not sure if you can after either btw).

Eh, what's up with the floor 27 boss?

Royal flare: 0
Princess undine: 0
Djinn gust: 0
Silent selene: like 1k
Satalite whatever: 0
Fantasy seal: 0
Magic missle: 0
Remi spear: 1k
Pretty much any spell from Kaggy: 100kish.
Chances of keeping kaggy alive when she's squishier than patchy: 0%.

Use your new character. 100% defense pierce + buffs and debuffs = 500k. Then it's all a matter of keeping her alive long enough to cast about 8 times.

Pesco · « **Reply #751 on:** December 27, 2009, 12:28:45 PM »

I don't quite remember how I dealt with 10F bitch. I'm sure I had 6F and 7F's debuffs keeping her weak and just wearing her down with Patchy and Alice. Poison is def your MVP, though I didn't rely on it. The fight wasn't too difficult since I kept redoing it for the drop.

trancehime · « **Reply #752 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:12:02 PM »

Quote from: PinocchioFX on December 27, 2009, 11:17:03 AM

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Boss ''Winners'' (in 30F)Have 400,000,000 HP or lower

He has 100,000,000 HP the first time you fight him

Every fight after that he gains an extra 80,000,000

Just a GBZero · « **Reply #753 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:26:21 PM »

Ok then,

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just crashed my game after attacking. 2

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hit the empty spot for 0 damage. It was odd. Elsewise, any tips for beating her/the before part? The previous battles tend to wear down my party a bit, and cause me to enter the actual battle with a bad party for it.

trancehime · « **Reply #754 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:42:59 PM »

Quote from: goldblade0 on December 27, 2009, 02:26:21 PM

Ok then, {spoiler}Rin{/spoiler} just crashed my game after attacking. 2 {spoiler}Cat Walks, killing my Komachi there, then a vengful cannibal spirit, but the cannibal spirit.{/spoiler} hit the empty spot for 0 damage. It was odd. Elsewise, any tips for beating her/the before part? The previous battles tend to wear down my party a bit, and cause me to enter the actual battle with a bad party for it.

Komachi's physical defense is abysmal why are you letting her take hits. 8(

Just a GBZero · « **Reply #755 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:45:02 PM »

Quote from: Reona Wallflower on December 27, 2009, 02:42:59 PM

Komachi's physical defense is abysmal why are you letting her take hits. 8(

Cat walk is random target in party, plus she can take a hit from the guys before withont dieing, while even Tenshi gets 1hitted normally

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #756 on:** December 27, 2009, 10:33:43 PM »

Broke Lv400 with Reimu (current grinding strategy is running circles on 27F with 15F taking down everything in one turn), and managed to beat a couple of the sealed bosses on 21F.

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Ghaleon · « **Reply #757 on:** December 28, 2009, 01:35:22 AM »

OK.... so the floor 27 boss is messed up. I couldn't find anything that could damage it no matter what last night except kaggy, who could do about 100,000 regardless of what element she used. I try again today, and for some reason, patchy was silent selening it for 200,000 just FINE.. Which really made the boss a joke because...the boss couldn't hit patchy for anything other than 0.. Patchy solo'd floor 27 boss at level 240 lawls. Oh sure I gave her buffs and such to speed it up, but nobody else dented the boss, and they all got 1shot whenever it cased that buff 4 times then nuke thing.

update: eeek floor 28 has one of my fave stage exploring tracks (I forget what previous floors had it). Unfortunately the trash is a pain in the neck so far.
fight 1:
Fast-moving strategist moves first, casts "all my allies get a buff and move next regardless of action bar bwahaha"
next enemy: "destroy magic".

siiighhh.

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #758 on:** December 28, 2009, 01:57:09 AM »

Quote from: Pesco on December 27, 2009, 12:28:45 PM

I don't quite remember how I dealt with 10F bitch. I'm sure I had 6F and 7F's debuffs keeping her weak and just wearing her down with Patchy and Alice.

Unfortunetly, all my attempts at debuffing her are failing. I can inflict status effects, but I can't seem to cut away her stats no matter how hard I try (or at least not enough to make attacks start hurting her).

'Course, my Marisa's 3-concentrated Master Spark with ~260 MP* is doing an amazing 0 damage to her, so maybe I just suck...

*Not max since I can never get her full 350 SP back before getting nuked and losing the chance. Level is ~50.

RainfallYoshi · « **Reply #759 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:02:12 AM »

Quote from: AlexX on December 28, 2009, 01:57:09 AM

Unfortunetly, all my attempts at debuffing her are failing. I can inflict status effects, but I can't seem to cut away her stats no matter how hard I try.

'Course, my Marisa's 3-concentrated Master Spark with ~260 MP* is doing an amazing 0 damage to her, so maybe I just suck...

*Not max since I can never get her full 350 SP back before getting nuked and losing the chance. Level is ~50.

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can be a huge help in dealing with her. Avici can inflict all kinds of debuffs as well as PAR and PSN. She also has the benefit of having crazy HP to soak up damage while she's out. You'll want to keep her safe in reserve when she's out of SP though, especially when the boss decides to pull out her self-buff. That's when your debuffs are gonna be the most helpful.

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #760 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:05:59 AM »

Quote from: PrismYoshi on December 28, 2009, 02:02:12 AM

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Komachi
can be a huge help in dealing with her. Avici can inflict all kinds of debuffs as well as PAR and PSN. She also has the benefit of having crazy HP to soak up damage while she's out. You'll want to keep her safe in reserve when she's out of SP though, especially when the boss decides to pull out her self-buff. That's when your debuffs are gonna be the most helpful.

Yeah, I had to update my post about that. I've tried debuffing her, but either dragon-bitch doesn't remove all that much defense with her debuffs, or its still not enough to make attacks not from Chen capable of dealing any damage.

trancehime · « **Reply #761 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:09:21 AM »

Quote from: Krim on December 27, 2009, 10:33:43 PM

Broke Lv400 with Reimu (current grinding strategy is running circles on 27F with 15F taking down everything in one turn), and managed to beat a couple of the sealed bosses on 21F.
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Bloody Papa and Butterfly With a Long-Ass Name went down fairly easily. The butterfly surprised me in how easy it was, as the only character it was able to kill was Flan, and every other character in my team was taking 0 from every attack in its arsenal (they even took 0 from its desperation nuke). Beast of Centaurea, on the other hand, surprised me with how much of a fight it felt like putting up. Its Mk.1 form was easily the easiest of the Bloodstained Bosses, but with Mk.2, it's not quite as easy as saving Marisa in the back for a Concentrated Master Spark and unleashing it when the boss goes into desperation mode. It still has craptons of HP in its final phase, and I couldn't beat it down before its insane speed overwhelmed me. Haven't tried Hibachi Mk.2 yet, that's after lunch.

Edit: Hibachi down, Beast of Centaurea is a whore. I think I've beaten everything I can at this level, so it's time for another 5 hours of running laps on 27F.

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Bananamatic · « **Reply #762 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:14:40 AM »

lol, this game has cave bosses? :V

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #763 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on December 28, 2009, 02:14:40 AM

lol, this game has cave bosses? :V

If you played the game you'd know they're all over. =V

Deranged · « **Reply #764 on:** December 28, 2009, 04:56:29 AM »

Quote from: AlexX on December 28, 2009, 01:57:09 AM

Unfortunetly, all my attempts at debuffing her are failing. I can inflict status effects, but I can't seem to cut away her stats no matter how hard I try (or at least not enough to make attacks start hurting her).

'Course, my Marisa's 3-concentrated Master Spark with ~260 MP* is doing an amazing 0 damage to her, so maybe I just suck...

*Not max since I can never get her full 350 SP back before getting nuked and losing the chance. Level is ~50.

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MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #765 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:02:58 AM »

For the love of all that is Touhou! I am training on 8F

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and the floor is lagging to HELL and back. Battle is fine, 9F is fine, 7F was good as well.

The field for out of battle is the slow part, even when I have no other windows up movement speed is basicly 1/3-1/2 of normal. Any ideas on the cause and the solution?

Ghaleon · « **Reply #766 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:05:47 AM »

No clue, normally when something like that happens the solution is to "turn off norton". But I doubt it would selectively scan only during the dungeon romping portions of the game.

I doubt it, but maybe the bgm file for that floor is messed up somehow?

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #767 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:11:02 AM »

Any thing I could do to fix? Also, my anti-virus is not doing ANY thing, except being idle of course:P

Ghaleon · « **Reply #768 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:14:02 AM »

Smacking your monitor is probably a good start.
No seriously, if that was the problem I'd have no clue other than replacing your bgm files. But I'm 99% sure that's not it...Unless you were screwing around with them for some reason or another. I don't see any slowdown issues mentioned in the wiki >=(.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #769 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:29:10 AM »

Hmm, well the BGM for 8F sounds perfectly fine, and I haven't touched any of the files except those that you must, like the one for starting the game up

The last time I started the game up, 8F was perfectly normal, but now moving around is slower

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #770 on:** December 28, 2009, 05:53:52 AM »

Quote from: Deranged on December 28, 2009, 04:56:29 AM

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-Talking about before she does it. Seriously, she's a freaking brick wall in the fact she doesn't take damage from anything.

-Tried it. Even with debuffs they do zero damage (and piercing doesn't seem to do anything). And of those only Meiling and her defenses+4000 Hp manage to survive. The rest of those are incapable of taking the hit.

-Already have her. She's part of my "buff Chen to deal as much damage as possible before death" team.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #771 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:02:38 AM »

Ok it's fine now. I shut my computer down, let it sit for a few minutes then started it back up, no problems on 8F.

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PinocchioFX · « **Reply #772 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:07:10 AM »

Reinforced boss ?? where ??

now, I've five star. and broken all central of 20F

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #773 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:12:07 AM »

Woot! I just beat

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Now that I have enough chars, I'll go get the 8F optional girl:D

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Training time! Which floor is better for grinding? 9F or 10F+?

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #774 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:32:14 AM »

Quote from: MystearicaFlandre on December 28, 2009, 06:12:07 AM

Training time! Which floor is better for grinding? 9F or 10F+?

I found floors 10-12 whilst trying to solve the switch puzzle was a good source of EXP. Once you find the optional on floor 10 and unlock the 10 miniboss battles each of those gives good EXP as well (just be sure to rely on physical power, because they're almost totally immune to magic).

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #775 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:35:12 AM »

Thanks AlexX, how much HP do those things have? Also, roughly how much Exp per would I get, 5500~ maybe?

AlexX Unlimited · « **Reply #776 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:41:43 AM »

Quote from: MystearicaFlandre on December 28, 2009, 06:35:12 AM

Thanks AlexX, how much HP do those things have? Also, roughly how much Exp per would I get, 5500~ maybe?

I know even my characters who where nowhere near levelling up gained more than enough for at least one additional one after just half, so probably about that I guess.

No idea about the exact HP... Without any way to see it I have no way of knowing for sure, but I do know that my combo of

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was enough to take them all down before they could do any major damage.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #777 on:** December 28, 2009, 07:20:27 AM »

Quote from: MystearicaFlandre on December 28, 2009, 06:12:07 AM

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Holy SHIT! "Sanae's Foe" just ripped me to pieces! "Tam's Foe" looks like a generic foe sompared to "Sanae's Foe", statisticly that is.
Training time! Which floor is better for grinding? 9F or 10F+?

Just pretend that boss doesn't exist until you've pretty much fully explored floors 10,11, and 12. You'll be sick of those 3 floors by then regardless, and will have gained more than enough exp dealing with them to own that boss.

For the people far in the game, do you find that

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is unusually squishy? I mean her stats feature higher def, mnd AND hp than most pure casters, autumn harvest goddess lady in particular. But she ALWAYS gets creamed by pretty much any average or above power spell! I mean, she gets 1shot by SOMETHING (with defense buffs too) every boss fight I do. Attacks like sakura blizzard or whateve which nail my party for peanuts like 0-3000 often whoop her for like 15000. flame wind, emma's lightning, etc, clock her for almost 30k. I don't get it. Her elemental resists aren't bad, her mnd is good, and her def is ok. Was wondering if it was just me.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #778 on:** December 28, 2009, 07:45:24 AM »

Ghaleon, I may not have

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, but have you compared her MND to that of your other mage-like chars, such as Marisa, Patchy and

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? Also, how is her DEF compared to hybrid-chars like Reimu? Even if she boasts good Defensive stats for a Squishy, how much better are they?

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Her elemental resists aren't bad, her mnd is good, and her def is ok.

Reimu is like that too, for me right now. Reimu's Defensive stats are good, but her DEF is peanuts when compared to Remi and Meiling, and her MND is similarly peanuts when compared to Marisa and Patchy. Defensive stats can be good/ok, yet still suck compared to anyone meant to take that sort of attack

Deranged · « **Reply #779 on:** December 28, 2009, 08:00:39 AM »

Quote from: AlexX on December 28, 2009, 05:53:52 AM

-Talking about before she does it. Seriously, she's a freaking brick wall in the fact she doesn't take damage from anything.

-Tried it. Even with debuffs they do zero damage (and piercing doesn't seem to do anything). And of those only Meiling and her defenses+4000 Hp manage to survive. The rest of those are incapable of taking the hit.

-Already have her. She's part of my "buff Chen to deal as much damage as possible before death" team.

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I did choose Attack as her level up bonus everytime and pumped her attack skill level up to 20 or so though, and gave her overall +80% attack in items. I gave similar upgrades/bonuses for Youmu and

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, which is why I gave those numbers up there.

My Meiling had considerably less HP than yours and still survived fairly easily (took ~2.5k damage). NTR resistance is more important than DEF and HP in that case. In my run I actually only bothered to outfit Remilia and Meiling to survive it, so you can just stuff Remi with your Green Dream (should have one from floor 8 or so?) and NTR -> HP -> DEF otherwise. Throw Hakurei Barrier on them just before to ensure it too, perhaps try to lower ATK with

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, then just sacrifice two characters after. If you can keep poison up the whole time and buy time with PAR and land occasional hits with

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/Youmu/Chen/whoever, you should be able to beat her before she beats you.