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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #720 on: December 26, 2009, 07:01:33 AM »
Sorry I totally don't remember. But I seem to recall fantasy seal absolutely obliterated all kinds of spirit-looking enemies until floor 16 or so, at which point they are virtually immune to the same spell.

Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #721 on: December 26, 2009, 07:21:48 AM »
I guess, but I never had a scene with her, unless it automaticly happens after the 7F encounter.

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Roughly how much HP does each Calamitous Spirit have, they are the ghosts you fight for that girl on 7F, that Shinigami or whatever. The spirits are to dangerous for me to just charge in and assume I'll win.

they have 44,444 hp

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #722 on: December 26, 2009, 07:34:54 AM »
I assume when floor 26 boss casts focus she's almost dead and she always casts "Iwin" after? She casted it like 1 turn after I blew a master spark, so I had no way to power nuke her down >=( Might try again. I also assume people don't level-grind their way into surviving "final judgement"? It pretty much damages for hong's max hpX2 for me >=P.

Last Judgment ignores defense. It tends to do around 75k. Roundabouts. In my experience.

If you don't level-grind past level 300, you'll either be instagibbed by it or you'll barely survive it. If you want to survive Focused Judgement of Ten Kings you will definitely want to be around level 300-ish. >_> See the good thing is that Judgment of Ten Kings doesn't ignore defense, so you can buff yourself to prepare for it if necessary, or switch out.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #723 on: December 26, 2009, 08:07:19 AM »
Or do like I did and finish her before she ever casts it. :V

Forgot exactly how, though...

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #724 on: December 26, 2009, 09:11:12 AM »
I rekon I can just nuke her fast enough in a few levels if not now. Patchy+kaggy make an excellent combo via that 30% allbuff+insta-move spell of kaggy's. That, and don't waste a master spark before the focus >=p. I just wanted to make sure that she was indeed mostly dead at that focus point.

update:
Tried burninator instead at reimu 253, after getting everyone 40-60 fire resist via skillpoints (yes it costed alot btw), I figured it'd be worth the investment since I figure a certain joinable character on floor 21 also uses alot of fire damage. Anyway, stupid burninator still was able to 1shot like everyone of my guys but 6 or so. Beat the boss BARELY, had only 2 people left alive (hong and remi) for a good 10 rounds.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2009, 10:20:59 AM by Ghaleon »

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #725 on: December 26, 2009, 10:52:52 AM »
Reimu 273, still getting knocked around. What's the recommended level for the next set of bosses? The recruit seems doable in a reasonable amount of time, the other four 21 bosses seem all but impossible for now...

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #726 on: December 26, 2009, 11:40:12 AM »
Huh, Milkyway, your Reimu is 273?  Holy crap I've been doing a lot of running in circles.  Casting 15F's enemy party everything goes boom spell every 30 seconds goes by really fast when you're watching tv on the side.  My Reimu's at 333, so when I finally got around to stopping the season of destroy, I don't recall having any special strategies to beat her.

That said, I have a question for you.  You said you'd made it to 30F, but I've held off on getting there because of the Yellow Kings on 29F.  Since everything I do does 0 damage to them, including Master Spark, and I still have an obsessive decision to never escape from battle, I figured I'd wait and run circles on 27F until I'm able to kill them.  When you went through 29F, did you run from every battle involving them, or did you have a way to deal damage to them?  (And if you were able to kill them, it better not involve 18F's cooties... <_<)

Huh, could have sworn that everything did 0, or maybe I was just really tired and didn't bother trying anything after Master Spark.  Looks like I just needed to try non-elemental attacks.



And for 26F, I only fought her twice, not enough to do detailed research on her attack patterns, but I believe Last Judgment is cast at predictable intervals, and that it always targets your frontline character (anyone who's seen the attack target a different character is free to prove me wrong).  Since it's practically an instakill at any reasonable level, you might as well minimize your losses, right?  So, if you anticipate the coming of a Last Judgement, switch out your front character for someone you wouldn't mind losing, and let them take the blow (sorry Patchy, you're demoted to meatshield now).



I have hit floor 30. "Trash" does not describe the random encounters up here. X_x

Yeah...
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*was promptly bitch-slapped by Shikieiki Mk.2's Last Judgment for 250K
« Last Edit: December 26, 2009, 02:12:02 PM by Krim »
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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #727 on: December 26, 2009, 04:13:01 PM »
Reimu 273, still getting knocked around. What's the recommended level for the next set of bosses? The recruit seems doable in a reasonable amount of time, the other four 21 bosses seem all but impossible for now...

Assuming you're at 30F, 273 is not going to get shit done at all. The bosses on 30F I was only able to take down at levels 450, 600, and 670~700 respectively. At your current level:

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You do not want to face Eirin/Kaguya/Reisen mk.3, Alice mk.3, and Rinnosuke mk.3 at your current level. Utsuho mk.2 is dangerous at all levels up to perhaps mid 500s. I don't know, I still had trouble with her at a level 430~ish average party!

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #728 on: December 26, 2009, 10:05:11 PM »
Ok I beat the 4 spirits and got
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that girl on 7F, the shinigami or whatever with the crazy HP gains
. :)

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Nitori seems to only appear on certain tiles on 7F, cause I went down a corridor on 7F and found her instantly, same place as before when I found her. I assume she will pull this BS on 8F, which makes me want to punch her. Is she worth recruiting at all?

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #729 on: December 26, 2009, 10:12:02 PM »
Ok I beat the 4 spirits and got
Spoiler:
that girl on 7F, the shinigami or whatever with the crazy HP gains
. :)

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Nitori seems to only appear on certain tiles on 7F, cause I went down a corridor on 7F and found her instantly, same place as before when I found her. I assume she will pull this BS on 8F, which makes me want to punch her. Is she worth recruiting at all?
She probably isn't worth it, unless you want to recruit everyone (You get a star for this in the postgame).

However, you should explore all of 8F anyway, so you'll almost certainly find her. Always explore every nook and cranny of every floor, for both treasure and events. You will NEED the exp anyway. NEEEEEED IIIIIT.
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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #730 on: December 26, 2009, 10:22:21 PM »
Yeah, good point NeoSerela:) For "needing" the exp that badly, is this for
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the Reisen fight on 9F or the Trio fight on 12F?

Also, I had 8F mapped pretty good before finding her on 7F >_>

Oh crud!
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I found Suwako! How much HP does she have and all that, I am scared!

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #731 on: December 27, 2009, 02:11:50 AM »
Oh crud!
Spoiler:
I found Suwako! How much HP does she have and all that, I am scared!

She has an abominable amount of hp for her level, she is however, not very dangerous. IMO. Just make sure you don't neglect to bring hong to cure poison (I don't know anybody that doesn't use hong anyway though)

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #732 on: December 27, 2009, 02:13:10 AM »
Yeah, good point NeoSerela:) For "needing" the exp that badly, is this for
Spoiler:
the Reisen fight on 9F or the Trio fight on 12F?

Also, I had 8F mapped pretty good before finding her on 7F >_>

Oh crud!
Spoiler:
I found Suwako! How much HP does she have and all that, I am scared!

First off, yes, recruit everyone.  Apparently you will need to have everyone recruited to access the Plus Disk floors (Or at least at some point you will be stopped by a solid wall preventing you from progressing further).

Secondly, that boss has a -lot- of HP, but she shouldn't be too dangerous.  I walked into her totally unexpectedly, unprepared... and beat the snot out of her on my first attempt, so...

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #733 on: December 27, 2009, 02:21:36 AM »
Ok I beat the 9F jerk 1st try, same level as I was for
Spoiler:
Suwako
...

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I am serious, I beat Reisen 1st try, yet Suwako ripped me up., god damn that Froggy move to the eternal flames of Hades!
D:<

Garlyle, could you do me a favor? I have a feeling that
Spoiler:
Nitori will only show up on ceratin tiles/panels.
Could you help me confirm this? If I can figure out
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where people have fought Nitori before, I should be able to determine if my idea is right, thus making tracking her down a lot easier... Maybe...

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #734 on: December 27, 2009, 02:30:35 AM »
Suwawawawako has 188k HP

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #735 on: December 27, 2009, 02:48:28 AM »
Uhh. so since I got the tearrose sigil guardian boss down last night, I decided to back-track and go past all the sigils I could not get past before. On floor 22, in the bottom right corner of the map, I found 3 chests, one had 60k skillpoints, the other had I THINK 688000skillpoints. And the last one had a "king arthur". Funny thing is I cannot find a "king arthur" in my inventory, nor do I see anything that I don't recognize, has anybody else experienced this? Do you know what it is?

Update: Got it again, did get something new after all, page 14 "arthuros gem".
« Last Edit: December 27, 2009, 02:51:06 AM by Ghaleon »

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #736 on: December 27, 2009, 03:58:06 AM »
Ok I beat the 9F jerk 1st try, same level as I was for
Spoiler:
Suwako
...

Spoiler:
I am serious, I beat Reisen 1st try, yet Suwako ripped me up., god damn that Froggy move to the eternal flames of Hades!
D:<

Garlyle, could you do me a favor? I have a feeling that
Spoiler:
Nitori will only show up on ceratin tiles/panels.
Could you help me confirm this? If I can figure out
Spoiler:
where people have fought Nitori before, I should be able to determine if my idea is right, thus making tracking her down a lot easier... Maybe...

How can you not beat her?  She was actually harder than R, but with that said, I just hit F16 and regular battles are far harder than R ever was.

Also, I have no memory of where I found that encounter, sorry T.T;

Also, speaking of F16, damn these random encounters TO HELL.  Seriously.  What the whores.  This is some goddamn bullshit.  Being PAR-locked to Game Over because you didn't have anyone fast enough to outmatch all four enemies?  GRAH.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #737 on: December 27, 2009, 04:07:13 AM »
Got to floor 27, don't have 6 stars though boo. what is the 6th? moar party members? I still haven't found how to get to the floor 25 boss yet, I swear I've fully explored all the other floors, I AM missing a flower right? I'm confused, what do I work on next?
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level 270, utusho? yuka? That's all that's left, and I'm missing yuka's flower still. Oh I guess I haven't done maribel 2.0, derp

nm, found the 3rd flower, was on floor 22, missed 1 square lol.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2009, 04:10:16 AM by Ghaleon »

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #738 on: December 27, 2009, 04:25:04 AM »
Okay, 2 questions

1.How much HP does the 18F boss have?
2.Recommended level?

I just lasted about an hour and a half against this thing, with 10F bitch buffing herself and switching people in and out to nuke/heal, and I've finally lost because everyone ran out of TP to switch out and got killed. I've dealt several million damage, I really haven't been counting how many several, but WHY THE HELL WON'T THIS MONSTROSITY DIE OH MY GOD

From how things went, I guess that actually winning at Reimu lv92 would make me god or something. I wanted to try one more time before I started grinding a ton, and this happened...
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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #739 on: December 27, 2009, 04:57:21 AM »
Not sure how many hp he has, but it is a heap. I don't remember what level I was but I think 92 sounded about right for me. I found the boss to be pretty easy personally. I mean I didn't grind at all to beat him, and got him on my first attempt. Milkey way had a helluva time killing him though. Just be aware there are 3 phases pretty much, the first is how he starts, this in my opinion is the rough part. If you have someone important die on the first phase just restart and try again, you know you hit phase 2 when it starts changing colors. Each color represents an element and weakness. use wind spells to kill green, fire to kill blue, nature to kill yellow, cold to kill red, mystic to kill light blue, and spirit to kill purple. The last phase is when he goes back to his first appearance again (kinda like purple, only less streaks and purple colors around the boss). At this point he's almost dead, and doesn't really seem to do anything extra badass other than a cease of weaker element spells. Use his elemental weaknesses and the fight goes much quicker. I reccomend making sure your nature guys are immune to paralize, and your fire dudes are immune to silence since those of opposite elements tend to do those status ailments.

ANYWAY. I just pawnt final boss mk 2, I guess I was way too high level at this point (never bothered to attempt her, was too scared, thought she'd be way harder). I rather like some of the spells the new characters get, their stats are god-awful though.

But I was curious, way early int he game I benched cirno because she was too squishy, and I figured I'd get another slower in the game. Then later on when it became apparent that there wouldn't really be many, I continued to leave her benched because every boss I fought seemed to be immune to status debuffs (I know this because Alice's spells never ever debuffed bosses). So I figure wtf is the point of having a sub-par character around just for a debuff that every boss would be immune to anyway.

But then I read somewhere that icicle fall slows no matter what, no immunities. Is Cirno the only character in the game with such a slow?

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #740 on: December 27, 2009, 05:55:45 AM »
First I've heard of Cirno's ability. Come to think of it, I've never had it fail on me when I used her. Might need to try that.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #741 on: December 27, 2009, 05:57:39 AM »
First I've heard of Cirno's ability. Come to think of it, I've never had it fail on me when I used her. Might need to try that.

If it works for you on bosses, it's probably true, because I really really rarely if ever see any debuffs land on bosses when I have a character who can toss em.

I'm currently exploring floor 27. The floor in general doesn't give you any more skillpoints than you expect. It's just those lilith enemies, who give about triple what everything else does. Everything else is fairly standard. Makes you wonder if that's a bug or mistake since they aren't any harder than the other enemies. I find greater majin to be the most annoying personally with their above-average speed, nasty all-target nukes with debuffs.

But anyway, good lord, I think the floor was mathematically designed to churn as much time as possible to explore the map. seems to be taking WAY longer to explore the area than any other floor, excluding getting lost due to gimmicks and such.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2009, 06:03:26 AM by Ghaleon »

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #742 on: December 27, 2009, 06:24:04 AM »
But anyway, good lord, I think the floor was mathematically designed to churn as much time as possible to explore the map. seems to be taking WAY longer to explore the area than any other floor, excluding getting lost due to gimmicks and such.

Oh, just you wait. JUST YOU WAIT.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #743 on: December 27, 2009, 07:09:18 AM »
where can i get this ???

Flower Blade Kikuryusei And Divine Spirit Barrier
(in other floor) not in 20F

2 items left.

i really tried to get it.

so, now i have 4 star ,but i'm IN 27F Can't go to this floor

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i'm in thailand.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #744 on: December 27, 2009, 07:13:41 AM »
Ok so if
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Suwako has 188k HP, I am DOOMED, I only took off around 70-100k before she wiped me out

For
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Reisen, Royal Flare, Asteroid Field, Fantasy Seal and I think Evil Sealing Circle was most of what I used, only 1 minion ever attacked. that was when I used Evil Sealing Circle in place of Fantasy Seal, due to lack of SP. Reisen only got to attack like 3 times and use her buff once, 2 attacks her a red dot like thing, the 3rd was Discarder, the rest of the time she was spawning more minions.
:D

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #745 on: December 27, 2009, 07:16:40 AM »
Okay, 2 questions

1.How much HP does the 18F boss have?
2.Recommended level?

I just lasted about an hour and a half against this thing, with 10F bitch buffing herself and switching people in and out to nuke/heal, and I've finally lost because everyone ran out of TP to switch out and got killed. I've dealt several million damage, I really haven't been counting how many several, but WHY THE HELL WON'T THIS MONSTROSITY DIE OH MY GOD

From how things went, I guess that actually winning at Reimu lv92 would make me god or something. I wanted to try one more time before I started grinding a ton, and this happened...

he has 2.08 million HP

now I am fighting the true final boss of 30F for the 3rd time

he is pretty painful

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #746 on: December 27, 2009, 07:21:43 AM »
where can i get this ???

Flower Blade Kikuryusei And Divine Spirit Barrier
(in other floor) not in 20F

Drops from Executioner and Hellfire Demonsky respectively in 20F.

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #747 on: December 27, 2009, 09:47:59 AM »
Drops from Executioner and Hellfire Demonsky respectively in 20F.

This, though I don't think that's what you wanted to hear, I'm just emphasizing however that I'm pretty darn sure there is NO other way to get the items prior to floor 20 (not sure if you can after either btw).

Eh, what's up with the floor 27 boss?

Royal flare: 0
Princess undine: 0
Djinn gust: 0
Silent selene: like 1k
Satalite whatever: 0
Fantasy seal: 0
Magic missle: 0
Remi spear: 1k
Pretty much any spell from Kaggy: 100kish.
Chances of keeping kaggy alive when she's squishier than patchy: 0%.
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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #748 on: December 27, 2009, 10:53:12 AM »
Anyone know what element type bitch on the 10th floor can be damaged by? Everything I throw at her does *ZERO* damage except by Chen's Phoenix Wing Spread (something no other non-element move seems to be able to do) and somewhat by Patchy's Silent Selene (which only does like 500 damage to her... Not even the bosses forcing me to grind took that little from it) and once she starts focusing she becomes completely immune to paralysis and I can't deal enough damage to kill her before she uses her insane nuking move (which absolutely none of my characters are able to survive, even at full HP).

Right now my strategy is pretty much to have drunken bitch poison her (and paralyze her while she can still be paralyzed) and buff up Chen best I can and keep her dealing as much damage as possible before getting nuked.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2009, 11:10:18 AM by AlexX »

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Re: Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread
« Reply #749 on: December 27, 2009, 11:17:03 AM »
Boss ''Winners'' (in 30F)Have 400,000,000 HP or lower ???