Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread

[Laughing Bird]

Thanks Laughing Problem with your strat that I can't figure out, the Mage and Sheild give the Healer +100% DEF and +100% MND buffs, which last time I fought those buffs meant Invincible, did you just ignore when attacking it?

Also, is their anything I can do to boost random foe drop rate? or do I just have to kill like 100 Mod Golems for each Black Onyx?

Drops are always 25% chance

My patch had about 1100-1200 mag (lvl 17, 31 skill levels in mag, various mag and sp boosters). She had enough power to spare. The 100% buffs do not automatically = invincible, but it may as well be for characters without offensive buffs. For me I had Patch solely deal with the healing doll  (1 selene and 2 flares generally got rid of everything at the same time). All other characters dealt with keeping the team alive/slowing down Alice and damaging the mage doll.

My main trouble was trying to give patch enough room for 4 rounds of uninterrupted nuking.

And getting lucky

[MysTeariousYukari]

Wow. That sounds crazy >_> My Patchy has like Skill Level 15~ in Magic, as does Marisa. Remi has like Skill Level 20~ in Attack. But I beat her:D

The 100% buffs do not automatically = invincible, but it may as well be for characters without offensive buffs

When I said Invincible, I meant without any serious offensive stats:)

I am also now onto 5F:D Anything big/strong of note? Any bosses that will murder me fast for any reason, including not a high level or just not ready?

[Laughing Bird]

if you have had 400+ battles, then yes. Otherwise, not really. Watch out for the event at the upper left corner.

[MysTeariousYukari]

I am like 90% sure I have like 430+ battles, aka over 400. Any details about that Laughing? The event I mean.

[Laughing Bird]

You'll come to a spring that restores SP at the top left corner. Past that spring is an event that will trigger a boss battle if you have over 400 battles, and Im pretty sure the boss will practically take you out right away at level 18 or so. The recommended level 28, so uhh, yeah.

[Just a GBZero]

Any tips for the F14 Optional?  She murders me rather quickly.  Also tips for the Bronze Golems would be nice, those things one hit F10 optional, the tank.

[Garlyle]

Any tips for the F14 Optional?  She murders me rather quickly.  Also tips for the Bronze Golems would be nice, those things one hit F10 optional, the tank.

I'm going to assume we're talking about the first F14 optional that's actually recruitable on that floor, right? (There are FOUR characters recruitable when you hit F14, three of them are boss fights)

If so, take a party of high-MND tanks and outfit everyone with DTH resistance of a minimum of 30, and pump up MND and SPI nice and high.  Keep em high via buffs, and use what attacks you can against her as she's busy attempting to plink you away for 0-minimal damage. (I favour Master Spark [I think she's weak to MYS?] and Silent Selene, but Return Inanimateness can also do good damage, among others)

[Just a GBZero]

I'm going to assume we're talking about the first F14 optional that's actually recruitable on that floor, right? (There are FOUR characters recruitable when you hit F14, three of them are boss fights)

Yeah thats who I was talking about, but dont need the help anymore.  Got her somehow, even though I was losing the battle miserably at the time.  Didnt know at the time that there were more than one on that floor.  Still hate the golems though.

[Pesco]

5F bitch is probably one of the easiest fights you get (bar Meiling). All her attacks are single targeted, no heals or buffs. Straight attrition battle. She'll KO 1 char per round if you're low levelled, and she only attacks the first 2 slots.

14F DTH bitch is VERY weak to fire and physical attacks.

Edit: HOLY CRAP HUGE EARTHQUAKE KO'd MY 15K HP TANK FFFFFFFFF!!!

[BM01]

Hello,

I wanted to show you a video I made, it's a fight VS Youmu (2F). Even if it's luck based, it's a really hard fight, and I know that some people were in trouble with it.

The point of this video is to show you that it's possible to win a fight even with a low level party (I'm 10-11), of course you can kill some monsters and get a better level but it's not really fun :p

Like I said my party was level 10-11, but it was also gimp. I raised the EVD on all characters, ATK for Marisa and Patchouli, MAG for Remilia and Chen... Not by a lot, but still.

It was a close fight, really. The first time, I won with 3 characters remaining (and I was poisoned at the start), but in this video only Meiling survived.

Anyway, here's the video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc5EtqaUKCg
And sorry if my english isn't good.

[MysTeariousYukari]

BM01, something sad to know, Evade is basicly useless in some versions, if not all, of the game. For 1 reason or another that I do not know, All Attacks will Hit, none will Miss.

Also, 1 type of Random of 5F keeps on 1-shoting Patchy. I start a battle, 1st attack and Patchy is dead

[Serela]

BM01, something sad to know, Evade is basicly useless in some versions, if not all, of the game. For 1 reason or another that I do not know, All Attacks will Hit, none will Miss.

Also, 1 type of Random of 5F keeps on 1-shoting Patchy. I start a battle, 1st attack and Patchy is dead

That was the point; he was using a team with gimped out stats. So basically, pumping EVA on everyone instead of useful stuff.

[AlexX Unlimited]

Okay, the team on floor 12 is STILL absolutely tearing me apart. Even using chars with a good rate of paralysis (and ONLY paralysis... Cirno and death-bitch's paralyzing moves deal 0 damage to all 3), I keep finding my entire party dropping like flies. My healing is extremely limited and the constant debuffing is getting annoying, which I can't fix before people start dying. Of everyone I'd say

Spoiler:

Kaguya

is probably the biggest issue since she tends to hit the entire party pretty hard, while the other two seem more interested in debuffing me than actual damage (but I obviously can't take her out first, since the other two will get pissed).

[Milkyway64]

Okay, the team on floor 12 is STILL absolutely tearing me apart. Even using chars with a good rate of paralysis (and ONLY paralysis... Cirno and death-bitch's paralyzing moves deal 0 damage to all 3), I keep finding my entire party dropping like flies. My healing is extremely limited and the constant debuffing is getting annoying, which I can't fix before people start dying. Of everyone I'd say

Spoiler:

Kaguya

is probably the biggest issue since she tends to hit the entire party pretty hard, while the other two seem more interested in debuffing me than actual damage (but I obviously can't take her out first, since the other two will get pissed).

Level?

Also, Kedamagrammaton is down. Luck garbage battle. Thankfully, it has the lowest HP so far of everything in plus disk, but that doesn't mean it's not a hard mofo.

Onward to floor 28!

[AlexX Unlimited]

Level?

Same as before: 48-50.

Been experimenting with some different strategies and characters... Doesn't seem to be helping any. =/

[BM01]

That was the point; he was using a team with gimped out stats. So basically, pumping EVA on everyone instead of useful stuff.

Yup, that's why I started a new game :V

[MysTeariousYukari]

Yippee, 7F... NOT! I am on 7F, but definatly not a yippee  :V

[MysTeariousYukari]

Sorry for double post, but a random foe on Floor 7 just gave me the Game Over screen Patchy lost 250~ HP per, and the party got hit with 2 in a row.

Yes, Patchy lost more then 50% of her current HP max from a spell, a MYSTIC element SPELL   Omg I am about to cry at that alone  XC

[AlexX Unlimited]

If any of you guys need help with the warps on Floor 7, check page 14 for a map of where each individual warp will send you.

EDIT: For the lazy.

[Serela]

Sorry for double post, but a random foe on Floor 7 just gave me the Game Over screen Patchy lost 250~ HP per, and the party got hit with 2 in a row.

Yes, Patchy lost more then 50% of her current HP max from a spell, a MYSTIC element SPELL   Omg I am about to cry at that alone  XC

You definitely want to ALWAYS take these out before they get a chance to move. Otherwise, you'll get hit with something really nasty.

[Milkyway64]

I have hit floor 30. "Trash" does not describe the random encounters up here. X_x

[MysTeariousYukari]

That... was EVIL!! The Boss on 7F was freaking EVIL! Plus it can OHKO most of my chars with it's multi-target move.

[Garlyle]

I have hit floor 30. "Trash" does not describe the random encounters up here. X_x

Yup 8D Have fun!
Of course there's a reason they're so Not Trash - prepare for grinding out the wazoo.

...Also each of them has some ridiculous awesome drop if I'm right.

Okay, the team on floor 12 is STILL absolutely tearing me apart. Even using chars with a good rate of paralysis (and ONLY paralysis... Cirno and death-bitch's paralyzing moves deal 0 damage to all 3), I keep finding my entire party dropping like flies. My healing is extremely limited and the constant debuffing is getting annoying, which I can't fix before people start dying. Of everyone I'd say

Spoiler:

Kaguya

is probably the biggest issue since she tends to hit the entire party pretty hard, while the other two seem more interested in debuffing me than actual damage (but I obviously can't take her out first, since the other two will get pissed).

Your level is, in fact, high enough - I beat them then.  The main things are this:

Spoiler:

You want to use characters with high MND.  Try a front lineup of Tenshi (Yes you can have her by now - from 12F relay point, turn all switches OFF and head backwards to find her), Ran, Reimu, and Patchy, and start by buffing your MND up quickly.  This lineup won't be damaged except by Galaxy In A Pot.  With this setup out, Patchy can focus on just spamming Royal flare.  You can later on try switching in other characters too.

The main things to NOT do are the following:
1. Don't use Iku, Alice, or Komachi.  Why?  You may end up causing multiple debuffs.  When there's at least three debuffs on the team, Kaguya will trigger Buddha's Stone Bowl and make the battle significantly harder by buffing their entire team on, well, everything... if you MUST use Iku or Alice, stick with the single-target moves.  Don't use Cirno's Perfect Freeze either, stick to PAR.
2. The reason I suggest a group-targetting move like Royal Flare is twofold.  First off, Eirin will waste turns using Hourai Elixir once her allies are damaged notably, which can help a lot as that means less attacks on you.  Second off, and more importantly, you want to be taking down Kaguya and Eirin roughly simultaneously (Even though Kaguya has far less HP, she also seems to have  better affinities and MND) - if you kill one, the other gains the ability to perform Astronomical Entombing or Hourai Barrage, which is likely to wipe out your entire party (Unless you've got like a MND-buffed Meiling out or something).  So the moment you kill one, go FULL OFFENSIVE on the other one.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Garlyle, or anyone really, the Boss on Floor 7, that multi target move it has, Glowing/Flowing Hellfire, is it based on my DEF or MND? Cause only Meiling can survive it due to sheer HP count and solid Defensive stats, Marisa and Patchy seem to fall like rocks from that attack T-T.

Also, it always pulls this at the end of the fight "Hellfire>Two physicals>Hellfire>Hellfire" which I cannot survive, thus why I am asking. I am boosting Fire Affinity like mad in order to live that, but unless I know what Defensive stat it uses, I will have a bit of trouble in the end anyway.

Any and all help is welcomed

[Krimmydoodle]

[stuff regarding the 12F fight]

Spoiler:

Second off, and more importantly, you want to be taking down Kaguya and Eirin roughly simultaneously (Even though Kaguya has far less HP, she also seems to have  better affinities and MND) - if you kill one, the other gains the ability to perform Astronomical Entombing or Hourai Barrage, which is likely to wipe out your entire party (Unless you've got like a MND-buffed Meiling out or something).  So the moment you kill one, go FULL OFFENSIVE on the other one.

Spoiler:

Astronomical Entombing can also be triggered by Eirin being at dangerously low health.  The same may or may not be true for Hourai Barrage.  I've never had it happen with Kaguya, but maybe I just didn't damage her enough.  I do remember once getting an Entombing to the face after dealing maybe about 200K damage to Eirin without killing Kaguya though, so be wary of that.

[Serela]

Spoiler:

Astronomical Entombing can also be triggered by Eirin being at dangerously low health.  The same may or may not be true for Hourai Barrage.  I've never had it happen with Kaguya, but maybe I just didn't damage her enough.  I do remember once getting an Entombing to the face after dealing maybe about 200K damage to Eirin without killing Kaguya though, so be wary of that.

Spoiler:

This is indeed true, for both of them. Basically, this fight is all about spamming high damage Multi-attacks and praying they don't use their respective nukes. Using lots of people with PAR attacks all at once near the end of the battle can be a good idea if you have trouble.

[Laughing Bird]

Garlyle, or anyone really, the Boss on Floor 7, that multi target move it has, Glowing/Flowing Hellfire, is it based on my DEF or MND? Cause only Meiling can survive it due to sheer HP count and solid Defensive stats, Marisa and Patchy seem to fall like rocks from that attack T-T.

Also, it always pulls this at the end of the fight "Hellfire>Two physicals>Hellfire>Hellfire" which I cannot survive, thus why I am asking. I am boosting Fire Affinity like mad in order to live that, but unless I know what Defensive stat it uses, I will have a bit of trouble in the end anyway.

Any and all help is welcomed

MND. If you can muster up enough hp to live through the initial hellfire with 2 dudes standing, you should be golden. Patchy with 2000 MND can comfortably take 150-ish hp from hellfire, assuming you've got the skill points for it. Tthe boss follows a pattern of hellfire, tackle, tackle, tackle, Hellfire.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ok, Floor 8... apperently big... anyone got a map?

I just beat the thing, it was... wow. I got the drop too!

That pattern I mentioned is merely the last things it did when I Game Overed on it, just fyi

[Laughing Bird]

I sure can read alright. ;(
I think that boss always drops the bomb ring, I beat it a few times over and everytime I noticed I'd get the drop. Not sure if that's the case or if I just kept  getting lucky =/

[Milkyway64]

And the grinding begins. Everything left to do is way out of my league. What floor is recommended? 27 has AWESOME skillpoints in some battles, but 29 looks better for overall experience (and lack of nightmare cancers)

Oh, and Merry Christmas, all of you!