Touhou Labyrinth discussion thread

[Milkyway64]

I don't really remember how I did it. My friend had all sorts of trouble, I beat her on my second try.

In any case, the ghost half has much, much less HP. Go for it first, it can only make your life easier.

As for Youmu herself (Page 1-2 of characters on the wiki are safe to mention, though later ones were slipped here and there throughout the thread) focus on a little more on defense than power. Hakurei barrier (if you have the SP) and Healer will help a good deal, and Cirno's speed debuffs should keep Youmu pinned down, bonus points if you can get her paralyzed. Chen should buff up often and spam, being put in reserve once her SP or HP gets low so she can recover. If you have it, Master Spark should most definitely be used, too.

[Ghaleon]

Youmu was the only boss that actually wiped me out before something like floor 14 or something...Well, excluding the floor 8 optional and floor 7 final boss. Both of which pretty much ohko'd my entire party with their brutal opener, and obviously simply needed leveling. so that doesn't really count >=P. Alice, the triple boss, and Nitori never gave me trouble, but Youmu killed me on my first attempt >=(.

Anyway, I can't really reccomend much strategy other than to kill the ghost first because it dies really fast and poison SUCKS. Just pary that Youmu doesn't use either one of her 2 big multi target abilities like 3 turns in a row, or you're pretty much hooped no matter what you do...Except level alot I guess, but that's no fun.

On a side note, I pwnt 2 of the post-game optional mk repeat bosses yay. Anybody know where I can get more stars? I assume one way is to complete boss rush mode, and another is to kill all the optional bosses, but I'm not sure, and dont' really want to do either just yet only to find out it wasn't for anything in particular.

[Milkyway64]

So wait a minute, at the end of the game there are super boss versions of some earlier ones? Hong doesn't sound like she'd be hard at all. Hong even sounds like she'd be very effective against herself, even.

I found and beat 2 sigil guardians on floor nine, both on the left side. They were both very easy. (Lol element wind spam. Lol 0 damage)

I take it one of them on the right will be much harder than the rest? Or am I just too high of a level (110ish) since I failed hardcore against

Spoiler:

Rinnosuke

? :V

[Pesco]

From Poosh

The 5 stars are game cleared, 32 allies joined, Collected 100 items (iow, the first ten pages of items), All ver 2 bosses beaten, and Blood-Stained seal bosses beaten. There's two more stars with plusdisk but those five are what you should worry about for now. Happy grinding!

[Ghaleon]

So wait a minute, at the end of the game there are super boss versions of some earlier ones? Hong doesn't sound like she'd be hard at all. Hong even sounds like she'd be very effective against herself, even.

I found and beat 2 sigil guardians on floor nine, both on the left side. They were both very easy. (Lol element wind spam. Lol 0 damage)

I take it one of them on the right will be much harder than the rest? Or am I just too high of a level (110ish) since I failed hardcore against

Spoiler:

Rinnosuke

? :V

As a matter of fact, Hong is one of the 2 I beat. She was difficult enough, she retsetsu fists for about 100k, it paralizes too, she can arrow rain the entire party, it 1shots patchy and kaggy with def buffs, almost 1shots sanae and Autumn goddess lady, etc. Oh, and she heals herself for 800,000...Which is alot since she killed my biggest nukers (remi normally is a biggie but I guess Hong's defense applies in boss mode too, so her spears weren't hitting as hard as usual). I mean it wasn't crazy hard, but she definately wasn't no pushover, made me sweat more than your spoiler boss though >=P.

The left sigil guardians are easy indeed (it's the 5 element thingie, and uhh..the book thingie right)?. The right 2 are harder, one is Genocider, which pretty much 1-shots whoever it wants whenever it wants, but thankfully doesn't have too many REAL nasty multi-target moves, and doesn't have a ton of health (has more than the left 2 though I think), so you can just swap out dead people and nuke it down before long.

COSMIC...ugh..That boss is BS. It's flat out a luck fight. Whenever it wants it casts "magic jitsu" and its Mag gets +100%, oh and it's immune to sword of rapture (what a big suprise there, should be called sword of useless). Basically, after casting magic jitsu, you lose if 1: It casts ether flare (this is so op, just to give you an idea, it almost OHKO'd me *AFTER* I already leveled up 30 levels or so after beating the final boss and repeating it on boss rush mode) or probably 2: it casts dual-laser something (wont wipe your entire party maybe, but it will most definately kill your tank, and probably your 2nd dude too).

So basically, just keep trying, and hope it doesn't pwn you with a Magic jitsu/its biggest nuke combo. Dumbest boss in the entire game. I kid you not.

The 5 stars are game cleared, 32 allies joined, Collected 100 items (iow, the first ten pages of items), All ver 2 bosses beaten, and Blood-Stained seal bosses beaten. There's two more stars with plusdisk but those five are what you should worry about for now. Happy grinding!

Thanks, Guess I'll go for the 100 items one. missing 3 items on page 10, and the spd+10% one from those birds on floor 4 >=P....wish there was some sort of "items drop moar" thing in this game though.

[Deranged]

Thanks, Guess I'll go for the 100 items one. missing 3 items on page 10, and the spd+10% one from those birds on floor 4 >=P....wish there was some sort of "items drop moar" thing in this game though.

The boss rush is included in this star btw; the reward for the boss rush is an item that you don't get anywhere else, the last one on page 10 iirc.

[RainfallYoshi]

Oh thank god.

After so many failed attempts and some grinding, F12 triple boss is DOWN. I'm so happy I feel like dancing and having an epic party.

...that is until I got to F13 and the monsters are wtfpwning me. Ahaha. Even still, I'm just happy to be past that brick wall.

What was that party formula again? Tank + Speed + ? + ?

[Ghaleon]

The boss rush is included in this star btw; the reward for the boss rush is an item that you don't get anywhere else, the last one on page 10 iirc.

Thanks, was just noticing that missing out on the rare drops on the final floor would result in me being 1 short. I think That I can handle boss rush with all the levels I'll inevitiably gain farming my scourge and..uhh. demon drop, Just have to spend my skillpoints on some TP >=).

Of course wiping on the final boss in boss rush mode would absolutely suck, like 2 hours gone >=P

Oh thank god.

After so many failed attempts and some grinding, F12 triple boss is DOWN. I'm so happy I feel like dancing and having an epic party.

...that is until I got to F13 and the monsters are wtfpwning me. Ahaha. Even still, I'm just happy to be past that brick wall.

What was that party formula again? Tank + Speed + ? + ?

Tank speed caster caster. Though some people frown on my personal fave slot 2 of Remi (I think she's speedy anyway though). Hasn't really let me down yet.

That's one thing super cool about this game. Never in my entire life have I played an RPG, and after beating the final boss, felt like I really accomplished something. I mean play a good rpg that you enjoy or whatever, but chances are beating the final boss makes you feel like "sigh, the game is over, it was fun". You don't really get the "OH YEAH BISH I OWN" feeling like you do 1ccing lunatic Touhou for your first time >=P. Even relatively difficult RPGS like the NES version of FF1 (the GBA remake is soooo nerfed, wtf) didn't really make me feel like the king after completing it >=).

[RainfallYoshi]

F13 is kinda confusing. "There's treasure chests at 30 and 59." Uhhh?

Any helpful hints for navigating this place?

[AlexX Unlimited]

Aaaand Youmu goes down.

Not bad. Chen was sadly the only casulty, but I got lucky and the ghost half didn't poison anytime it used the cloud move, and Youmu was nice enough not to spam her multi-hitting moves enough for me to take her down. Party was around level 12/13. Earlier posts seem to indicate Youmu isn't all that good, and taking a look at her stats... It looks like her attacks are pretty costly, even if I put all her level-up bonuses into SP growth.

[Pesco]

Youmu was the first one I benched. You still need her to be in enough battles for an event later on. Just call her a meatshield for now.

[Milkyway64]

F13 is kinda confusing. "There's treasure chests at 30 and 59." Uhhh?

Any helpful hints for navigating this place?

Use that print screen key. The clues make sense after a while. If all else fails, use the japanese wiki + google translate.

Aaaand Youmu goes down.

Not bad. Chen was sadly the only casulty, but I got lucky and the ghost half didn't poison anytime it used the cloud move, and Youmu was nice enough not to spam her multi-hitting moves enough for me to take her down. Party was around level 12/13. Earlier posts seem to indicate Youmu isn't all that good, and taking a look at her stats... It looks like her attacks are pretty costly, even if I put all her level-up bonuses into SP growth.

Youmu was the first one I benched. You still need her to be in enough battles for an event later on. Just call her a meatshield for now.

Hey, don't diss Youmu. She's a damn hard hitter with the hidden ability of gaining double what her SP recovery says on focus. She has MUCH less Attack than my Remi does, and still manages to hit harder than her unless Remi curses herself. Use youmu much like you would a Master Spark or Chen, without all that pesky focusing and deep fears she'll die. (I'm pretty sure she recovers double HP in reserve, too!)

[Krimmydoodle]

F13 is kinda confusing. "There's treasure chests at 30 and 59." Uhhh?

Haha, didn't see that hint during my traversal of 13 (after finding the key hint that got me to the end, I moved on and decided I'd come back and try more random combinations later).

*steals the hint and grabs more loot.

Use youmu much like you would a Master Spark or Chen, without all that pesky focusing and deep fears she'll die. (I'm pretty sure she recovers double HP in reserve, too!)

Yeah, my strategy for if I ever use Youmu is to switch her in, have her use a Slash of Eternity (or a Karma Slash if an enemy party calls for it), then switch her out when she's done.  I don't bother using her for much more than that, but it's a nice burst of damage if you're having trouble with your output once in a while.



*recruits [14F Spoiler]

Spoiler:

Suika

, sees 5 consecutive blank spaces in his character roster.

Crap.  *makes mental note to take care of that.

[Pesco]

Hey, don't diss Youmu. She's a damn hard hitter with the hidden ability of gaining double what her SP recovery says on focus. She has MUCH less Attack than my Remi does, and still manages to hit harder than her unless Remi curses herself. Use youmu much like you would a Master Spark or Chen, without all that pesky focusing and deep fears she'll die. (I'm pretty sure she recovers double HP in reserve, too!)

Youmu's stats are just sub par compared to your other single target physical nukers. Remi is more durable, Chen is faster, 5F hits harder, Wriggle can poison, 7F can 1HKO/debuff...

[AlexX Unlimited]

I take it using ones I just plain like is out of the question? >.>;

Oh, and regarding assigning skill points at the viole library... I'm nervous because I want to improve Minoroko's magic (for better healing) and SP (for more often healing/support), but I fear I'll drop her down the line for an inevitably better healer/supporter, so I'm not sure whether to use points on characters I can't guarantee I'll keep using and risk wasting them (though obviously, ones like Reimu and Marisa are worth dumping them into due to garunteed long-term use, but I'm not so certain about others...).

[Pesco]

Skill points aren't that hard to accumulate, so don't worry about putting a few thousand points into someone you'll drop later.

[Krimmydoodle]

I take it using ones I just plain like is out of the question? >.>;

Oh, and regarding assigning skill points at the viole library... I'm nervous because I want to improve Minoroko's magic (for better healing) and SP (for more common healing/support), but I fear I'll drop her down the line for an inevitably better healer/supporter, so I'm not sure whether to waste points on her or not (obviously, ones like Reimu and Marisa are worth dumping them into due to garunteed long-term use, but I'm not so certain about others...).

Just go for it.  Even if you dump her later, the number of skill points you'll spend now will be trivial as you delve into deeper floors.

Beaten to the punch, whatever.

[Serela]

F13 is kinda confusing. "There's treasure chests at 30 and 59." Uhhh?

Any helpful hints for navigating this place?

I haven't actually GOTTEN there yet (being lazy since I reached 12F boss) but from what I've read from people,

Spoiler:

I assume there is some warp where you enter a code of 1s and 0s. This would probably mean its in binary, so 30 and 59 would be binary numbers to enter. I figured this because the wiki says you enter in a total of 120 to talk to Flandre (if you've seen the previous events with her already)

[Ghaleon]

F13 is kinda confusing. "There's treasure chests at 30 and 59." Uhhh?

Any helpful hints for navigating this place?

Wish I got that hint earlier on. My first hint was meaningless, I forget what it said but something like:
"2,3, 5, and on..."
Even after fully exploring that one, I don't see how that clue is very helpful.

It's indeed binary. I was confused at first because the addresses for each teleporter spot included ranges that have gaps in them sometimes. so when I saw that (arbitrary numbers here) 20 took me to the same place as 40, but 30 took me somewhere else. I thought "wtf, this isn't binary".

But anyway, it is, just...don't think about the addresses, and use the clues.

Hey, don't diss Youmu. She's a damn hard hitter with the hidden ability of gaining double what her SP recovery says on focus. She has MUCH less Attack than my Remi does, and still manages to hit harder than her unless Remi curses herself. Use youmu much like you would a Master Spark or Chen, without all that pesky focusing and deep fears she'll die. (I'm pretty sure she recovers double HP in reserve, too!)

I'm suprised Youmu can hold her sword cuz she's so weak!
No seriously, I'm sorry but I still don't think she's great. Sure her 80 sp single target nuke can hit harder than remi's spear, but uhh. it costs 80 sp. And even with double sp focus, Comparing someone's focus skills to remi's is also pretty much a moot point. Her attack shouldn't be higher either. You must have better atk gear on her than remi, or spent more skillpoints or something. Even with the easier leveling curve, it shouldn't even be close.

Maybe she becomes useful again later on at like level 600 or something though when you get alot more sp >=P.

Youmu was the first one I benched. You still need her to be in enough battles for an event later on. Just call her a meatshield for now.

Pretty sure you can benefit from that without even having her in a single battle (not that that's a good idea this early in the game, you might as well use her at least until you get 13 people). You get 1 BP just for having someone chilling in your back row per fight. As long as you have at least 250 fights before you get 13 members (assuming she's the first you dump), you're golden.

It's good to have her out for some battles anyway though. Her big nukes are pretty much royal flares that early in the game.

[Milkyway64]

I haven't actually GOTTEN there yet (being lazy since I reached 12F boss) but from what I've read from people,

Spoiler:

I assume there is some warp where you enter a code of 1s and 0s. This would probably mean its in binary, so 30 and 59 would be binary numbers to enter. I figured this because the wiki says you enter in a total of 120 to talk to Flandre (if you've seen the previous events with her already)

Spoiler:

Basically. For the values, it goes switch 1 = 1, switch 2 = 2, switch 3 = 4, switch 4 = 8, switch 5 = 16, and so on. So for 30, you'd activate switches 5, 4, 3, and 2 while leaving the others off. For 59 you'd activate switches 6, 5, 4, 2, and 1.

[Milkyway64]

COSMIC...ugh..That boss is BS. It's flat out a luck fight. Whenever it wants it casts "magic jitsu" and its Mag gets +100%, oh and it's immune to sword of rapture (what a big suprise there, should be called sword of useless). Basically, after casting magic jitsu, you lose if 1: It casts ether flare (this is so op, just to give you an idea, it almost OHKO'd me *AFTER* I already leveled up 30 levels or so after beating the final boss and repeating it on boss rush mode) or probably 2: it casts dual-laser something (wont wipe your entire party maybe, but it will most definately kill your tank, and probably your 2nd dude too).

So basically, just keep trying, and hope it doesn't pwn you with a Magic jitsu/its biggest nuke combo. Dumbest boss in the entire game. I kid you not.

I see what you mean. The other three fell in one try with no sweat at all. Genocider was as piss easy as the other two.

Cosmic dominated me before I did 100k. Even 50k may be pushing it.

[RainfallYoshi]

I'm slowly making progress on F13. Unless there's more areas I haven't been to yet, it looks like I just have like 2 or 3 areas left to figure out.

[Milkyway64]

I took the Cosmic on attempt number two. Patchy + MYS resistance + buffs = tank, tank, tank. Cirno and

Spoiler:

Komachi, Yukari too.

Spoiler:

kept it from getting more than three turns while Remi, Patchy, and the occasional Chen spaz wore it's pitiful HP down to nothing fast.

It even used dual ray after Magic Jitsu. :V

[Ghaleon]

Beat several MK 2 bosses. Seems like most of them are a joke (rumia especially so), then you come across others that can OHKO half your party. Yuugi was easy, but not as easy as the joke ones. She still was easily beatable due to her not moving fast enough to wipe you out, but her knockout in 3 steps nails for 200kish >=P.

Did boss rush mode too, got the mask item thingie, have 100 items now, but still no star, boo. I'm hoping I have to reload the game for it to register, I got every item in the first 10 pages now.

nope, restarting didn't work. argh. I want my 3rd star damnit!

[Deranged]

nope, restarting didn't work. argh. I want my 3rd star damnit!

You have to beat the last boss and trigger the ED/credits again to get the star activated. This applies for all stars iirc.

[Ghaleon]

You have to beat the last boss and trigger the ED/credits again to get the star activated. This applies for all stars iirc.

AHH, thank you very much.
Man. I just re-did the last boss via boss rush *pouts*.

[Milkyway64]

Beat several MK 2 bosses. Seems like most of them are a joke (rumia especially so), then you come across others that can OHKO half your party. Yuugi was easy, but not as easy as the joke ones. She still was easily beatable due to her not moving fast enough to wipe you out, but her knockout in 3 steps nails for 200kish >=P.

Did boss rush mode too, got the mask item thingie, have 100 items now, but still no star, boo. I'm hoping I have to reload the game for it to register, I got every item in the first 10 pages now.

nope, restarting didn't work. argh. I want my 3rd star damnit!

I'm catching up, Mister! I'm currently leveling to take the final boss out. Yay!

So, uh, where is all this MK2 stuff and boss rush? I found some suspicious dead ends on floor 20. Do they appear there after beating it, or something?

[RainfallYoshi]

F13 is done! even if I cheated and looked at a map <_<

F14 looks... irritatingly easy. It's huge and has no gimmicks other than it's a 20,000 room semi-maze. Whee?

After F10-12 I think anything is fine with me now...

[Pesco]

Don't overtake me yet, PrismYoshi. ;_;

[Ghaleon]

I'm catching up, Mister! I'm currently leveling to take the final boss out. Yay!

So, uh, where is all this MK2 stuff and boss rush? I found some suspicious dead ends on floor 20. Do they appear there after beating it, or something?

Yeah, you have to beat the final boss before all the extra goodies appear.

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F13 is done! even if I cheated and looked at a map <_<

F14 looks... irritatingly easy. It's huge and has no gimmicks other than it's a 20,000 room semi-maze. Whee?

After F10-12 I think anything is fine with me now...

All the floors after that one are pretty non-gimicky and fun minus the fake binary one..I think that's floor 17. Floor 16 had the biggest 'Brick wall' boss for me though.

Beating the final boss again indeed unlocks my 3rd star, yay thanks again.