The New Spellcard Help Thread

[ふねん1]

Border of Wave and Particle - pure dodging, memorize when the dense walls come so that you move out of the way quick enough

The entirety of BoWaP is static, on all difficulties (the patterns change between them, of course). Find a set of movements that works, and memorize that.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

But that ruins a completely fun card that I still haven't captured legitimately.

Safespotting it for a few thousand graze is a better option.

[MTSranger]

Also, this is probably the wrong thread for this, as it's not exactly about spells per say, and if someone can show me the right thread that'd be great but is there any effective way to use MarisaA or C in MoF at all? trying to 1cc MoF as everyone and it's annoying with them. They're just so... inadequate. and also the last shot types I need to 1cc with.

My 1cc in MoF is done with Marisa C.
It's easy - bug the boss with your options before they shoot, like during conversation or their entrance, and then just make sure you don't go unfocused for more than 1 second at a time. Proceed to dodge anywhere you want and kill the boss really fast.
Plus, you have MoF! bombs to plow through anything remotely hard.

[omgrandomnumbers]

Granny Hanasaka on normal. I don't get the trick, and I know there is one. Do you just circle around to avoid flower clipdeath? That seems cheap, but I'll feel prouder of a SA 1cc if I can cap it.

[Demonbman]

Grandpa Hanasaka can be captured by either:
  A) Moving around Parsee and going avoiding the Green02s
  B) Staying on the bottom of the screen misdirecting the Green03s and going through the Flowers


B Is mainly luck based in the way the petals are spawned

[LHCling]

Granny Hanasaka on normal. I don't get the trick, and I know there is one. Do you just circle around to avoid flower clipdeath? That seems cheap, but I'll feel prouder of a SA 1cc if I can cap it.

Circling around is only a temporary solution at best; it doesn't work on higher difficulties. Plus, when you don't have a Shot Type that can shoot backwards, you'll most likely time it out, thus denying you the reward(s).

That said, I believe you've already tried swinging back and forth underneath, but found yourself trapped because she fired two bubble bullets at around the same position, making a "wall" (by way of the "flowers" overlapping and making the gaps really small / non-existent)? The solution is to misdirect the first bubble out a bit more so they don't overlap. Once you do that, it becomes very, very simple.

Replay.

[omgrandomnumbers]

So essentially stream like normal, right? Got it. I can switch direction, but making it through the trails was tough.

[MTSranger]

It's very easy to circle around Parsee and capture the card (although when I first saw it, I timed it out) on normal.
Misdirect the first stream left.
Stream right and try to stay under Parsee and then rush to the top when she gets to the right side.
When you go above her, also try to stay above Parsee streaming left until you come back down on the left.
That way, half of the time you would be hitting her and with Reimu A, the card ends when you finish your circle.

I find going through the flower harder and luck-based as well.

[Krimmydoodle]

There's technically nothing wrong with circular streaming on Normal.  The reason Baity and I don't condone it is because once you move up to Hard, the method stops working.  She only fires one stream of flowers on Normal, where she shoots two on Hard (toward you and away from you), and six on Lunatic, causing clutter on the screen no matter which way you run.  From a purely survival standpoint, go ahead, circular stream it for now.  But if you learn it this way now, the Hard and Lunatic versions are virtually no different, and you don't have to relearn anything later.

Don't tell me you never plan on moving up to Hard; setting limits like that is exactly how you hit a plateau, because if you do, you've already determined you're not going to get any better than you already are.

That said, the method to take care of Parsee's last card on Normal will involve circling where Lunatic won't, so don't think that that idea above applies to every card.

[MTSranger]

*just tried the other method in normal*
Actually it isn't hard at all.
I guess I was remembering trying to get through the huge cluster of flowers in lunatic, which was hard.

Don't tell me you never plan on moving up to Hard; setting limits like that is exactly how you hit a plateau, because if you do, you've already determined you're not going to get any better than you already are.

Obviously if I continue to play, I will eventually get to 1cc hard or lunatic.
It's not that I'm setting limits for myself. In fact I've gotten quite far in EoSD lunatic.
It's that if I'm trying to get my 1st 1cc normal, then I don't want to take too many chances and rage quit all the time.

[Zengeku]

The entirety of BoWaP is static, on all difficulties (the patterns change between them, of course). Find a set of movements that works, and memorize that.

Yes, thats how you make the spellcard boring. Read n' dodge and time out like the rest of us! (Probably only me and a handful others...)

[ふねん1]

Yes, thats how you make the spellcard boring.

Says you. :V But in all seriousness, even when an attack is memorizable, I still pay attention to make sure I'm doing whatever I need to do correctly (because the slightest mistake will still destroy me). I don't feel any boredom when approaching it like that.

I actually have a question regarding one of Satori's Spellcards, specifically Flying Insect's Nest. I know that how "solid" the stream is depends on Satori's position, as the butterflies might take longer or shorter before bouncing. Does anyone have more success at the card when keeping Satori to certain parts of the screen?

[MTSranger]

Suppression "Super Ego" - quadruple bombed to get through (at least I still got the life fragment)
Rekindled "Embers of Love" - ?? so many penises killing me!
Are those just reading and nothing else?

I bet more problems will come with genetics though^^ if I ever reach it :V

Also, somehow I really like clipping her non cards (2nd and 3rd).

SA extra is not that bad... unlike UFO where I can't reliably get to Nue with more than 1 life

[The Greatest Dog]

Suppression "Super Ego" - quadruple bombed to get through (at least I still got the life fragment)
Rekindled "Embers of Love" - ?? so many penises killing me!
Are those just reading and nothing else?

Get as much damage in as possible in whatever gaps you can find. Then... bomb.

I bet more problems will come with genetics though^^ if I ever reach it :V

Probably her hardest card, but still pseudostatic. It's static if you move to the same positions every time, unlike Fujiyama Volcano.

Also, somehow I really like clipping her non cards (2nd and 3rd).

Starting with MoF, those pellets have really big hitboxes compared to IN. Go unfocused, but always hold down.

SA extra is not that bad... unlike UFO where I can't reliably get to Nue with more than 1 life

You don't need more than three to beat Nue.

[Drake]

Embers of Love is aimed at you. She alternates between side shots and aimed shots. On the aimed shots, be in line with her and at the bottom of the screen. Also, you can direct her movement by staying to the left or right of her.

[Zengeku]

Says you. :V

So says I.

[DracoOmega]

A few questions on Remilia (since, for whatever reason, she seems to be my current practice target)

The last wave of faeries in the stage either kills me or requires a bomb almost all of the time. It LOOKS like there should be a simple positioning way to dodge all of it, but I haven't seem to have found it yet  :derp:

Young Demon Lord has become a fair bit easier once I realized that the lasers end slightly before it looks like they end.
Mountain of a Thousand Needles isn't too bad.
Any tips on avoiding walls in Vampire Illusion? Some way to move that lessens the chance of running into them?
Actually, the same as that for Scarlet Meister. I realize it's a really hard spellcard, anyway, but I get the feeling that proper positioning might help somewhat.
And, well, Scarlet Gensokyo seems to be mostly read and dodge. Just need to keep practicing ^^;

[MTSranger]

Last wave of fairies are aimed, so stay still until all 8 of them fire and tap once left or right.
If you are Marisa B, you can bomb the fairies to get 20 million points.

Vampire Illusion: read and dodge. If you are on the left side of the "tip" of the wall (ie about to be walled), move either around the wall or try to move through a gap. There are more gaps farther left, but sometimes you get lucky or unlucky. Unfortunately the walls are random and you just need to read quick and either macro or micro dodge. Beware of bubbles if you macro dodge as they can kill you when you aren't paying attention

Scarlet Meister: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPffmr2pbs
Move to the left in the beginning or you get walled quickly. Other than that, dunno.

You can reduce 1/3 of Remilia's health in Scarlet Gensokyo by shotgunning before the spell activates.
High rank will make it spawn walls often.

btw, is this hard or lunatic? If it's hard, then capturing all the cards are quite doable with practice.

[DracoOmega]

Last wave of fairies are aimed, so stay still until all 8 of them fire and tap once left or right.

....you know, if it's as simple as this, I'm just going to go slap myself now.

Vampire Illusion: read and dodge. If you are on the left side of the "tip" of the wall (ie about to be walled), move either around the wall or try to move through a gap. There are more gaps farther left, but sometimes you get lucky or unlucky. Unfortunately the walls are random and you just need to read quick and either macro or micro dodge. Beware of bubbles if you macro dodge as they can kill you when you aren't paying attention

Haha, yeah I'm familiar enough with THAT bit  T.T

You can reduce 1/3 of Remilia's health in Scarlet Gensokyo by shotgunning before the spell activates.
High rank will make it spawn walls often.

For some reason, I thought I recall reading that this card was unaffected by rank?

btw, is this hard or lunatic? If it's hard, then capturing all the cards are quite doable with practice.

Lunatic

[IBakaChan]

Byakurens spell when she has two lifebars in reserve.

The one where she kinda goes up like a rocket and then RAPIDFIRE to make your space limited and throws random red balls at you.

[Demonbman]

What diffuculty?


If its Normal or below, stick to the sides of the walls to misdirect the Red blobs that are aimed at you. Then, she will start to shoot either smaller-than-the-blob bullets in a back and forth manner, or shoot bright bullets which are loosely aimed, just read and dodge, thats how I do it

[Zengar Zombolt]

I find that for Devil's Recitation a good skill is to look at the whole screen, so you can predict what comes towards you.

[Bananamatic]

general tips for byakuren's first spell
autobomb or is there a trick
lunatic

[Naut]

Read 'n dodge bro

You may be able to control the angle that the waves spawn by moving left or right of her, but this needs more testing. If anything it may help with getting the pellets and glow orbs to line up so that you get a nice lane to dodge in, instead of them grossly overlapping.

[Alice★f]

Subterranean Rose

I can't count.

[omgrandomnumbers]

I'm ready to admit it. My record on Autumn Sky and A Maiden's Heart on Hard is 3/15. How do you do this consistently?

Also, Biorhythm of the Apotropaic God. What. Goddamit what is stage 5 material doing in Stage 2. And this in the same stage as Hina, queen of piss-easy.

[Serela]

I'm ready to admit it. My record on Autumn Sky and A Maiden's Heart on Hard is 3/15. How do you do this consistently?

Misdirect the aimed big bullets.

The other one can be bombed shamelessly since you'll definitely be at full power by the boss anyway, and she drops 1 big power item after the card too. It's nice to capture it, but you don't really need to.

[omgrandomnumbers]

I know to misdirect, but I have no idea how to tell whether I'm going to end up trapped in a tiny cage or in a huge safespot. The waves of criss-cross bullets confuse me, and what looks like an open space generally gets me hit.

Oh, and I wanted to know how to capture Biorhythms. I bomb it in a 1cc run, but I don't want a 0/whatever record on a Stage 2 card. I expect more help than "bomb, but go ahead and try to capture it". I came here to ask how to cap it, so tell me.

[ふねん1]

Oh, and I wanted to know how to capture Biorhythms. I bomb it in a 1cc run, but I don't want a 0/whatever record on a Stage 2 card. I expect more help than "bomb, but go ahead and try to capture it". I came here to ask how to cap it, so tell me.

The card is static (or at the very least, parts of it are; it's been a while for me), so memorize a way through it.

[omgrandomnumbers]

Yeah, I guess I'll just watch your run. It seems like you gotta make a lot of tight squeezes no matter what you do, though...