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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #600 on: March 16, 2010, 09:12:49 PM »
How do I do Spoiler 1 and 5 ??????
Hum just kidding.
The last spoiler, how ?
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #601 on: March 16, 2010, 09:52:17 PM »
The last spoiler, how ?
Sit about halfway up the screen. Whenever you're about to take a photo, Aya will appear. Just time your release on the Z key so that Aya is in the frame. It might help if you switch your camera to landscape orientation mode, but then you'll also need to be a little higher up.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #602 on: March 16, 2010, 09:54:07 PM »
How do I do Spoiler 1 and 5 ??????
Hum just kidding.
The last spoiler, how ?
Dodge in the middle of the screen, a little below where the lowest red Aya bullet thing goes. Move around as necessary to dodge, but come back to this area after pictures.

As for taking the picture, you hold Z for like half a second, and Aya will zoom into your range; it takes a little luck and you'll get plenty of failures, but you should get the hang of it fairly quickly.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #603 on: March 16, 2010, 10:20:27 PM »
And a demonstration of EX-6:

Replay
Video
« Last Edit: March 16, 2010, 11:02:38 PM by Poochy »

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #604 on: March 16, 2010, 10:31:41 PM »
On the first picture, you can get the explosion wave and Sanae in the same picture, which helps. It takes a bit of luck to survive the bullets into the next wave, though.

That way you'll have crapload of bullets to dodge. By taking out the toads with a separate photo you can still supercharge without anything reaching you and take a picture of Sanae while clearing out most of the bullets.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #605 on: March 16, 2010, 10:57:42 PM »
Dream Sign "Fantasy Dimensional Hole"
Is it me, or did I find that the places from which the red amulet waves form are based on the four points on the playing field from which Reimu kicks at you?

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #606 on: March 16, 2010, 11:13:49 PM »
Dream Sign "Fantasy Dimensional Hole"
Is it me, or did I find that the places from which the red amulet waves form are based on the four points on the playing field from which Reimu kicks at you?
The places from which the red amulets come from have no influnence on how you should be taking on the card. Reimu always kicks in a clockwise pattern, dodge by moving as little as possible in a "square" pattern in the center, this way Reimu also ends her 4th kick in the center and you can get a picture and make a large enough hole in all of the amulet waves.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #607 on: March 16, 2010, 11:31:21 PM »
The places from which the red amulets come from have no influnence on how you should be taking on the card. Reimu always kicks in a clockwise pattern, dodge by moving as little as possible in a "square" pattern in the center, this way Reimu also ends her 4th kick in the center and you can get a picture and make a large enough hole in all of the amulet waves.
Oh, that's what I wanna say... Just, I'm too horrible at describing stuff. Thanks.

Also, I'm sure the side from which she starts kicking from is random...

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #608 on: March 16, 2010, 11:42:06 PM »
Scene 8-4, 8-6, and 8-8 in DS...

...so basically, all of
Spoiler:
Utsuho
's cards.
Spoiler:
Orin
's cards are easy, but
Spoiler:
the fucking suns always get in my way. Is there a specific strategy for these cards, or am I supposed to just dodge and get out of the suns' way as much as possible?

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #609 on: March 17, 2010, 12:01:05 AM »
Also, I'm sure the side from which she starts kicking from is random...
It seems to be random indeed, but a quick, short unfocused move in any diagonal just as she charges from whatever border should be enough to avoid being bodyslammed. Then you can get in the pattern very easily by moving in the same direction as she did in her first attack when she comes for the second bodyslam, and clockwise from there.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #610 on: March 17, 2010, 12:04:08 AM »
Not really a spellcard, but how is DS's EX stage unlocked? 52 scenes or 1... what?

Also, how is the spoiler stage unlocked for that matter?

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #611 on: March 17, 2010, 12:09:10 AM »
Not really a spellcard, but how is DS's EX stage unlocked? 52 scenes or 1... what?

Also, how is the spoiler stage unlocked for that matter?
53 scenes, and for Spoiler, 3 ex scenes and 58 total
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #612 on: March 17, 2010, 12:28:14 AM »
Scene 8-4, 8-6, and 8-8 in DS...

...so basically, all of
Spoiler:
Utsuho
's cards.
Spoiler:
Orin
's cards are easy, but
Spoiler:
the fucking suns always get in my way. Is there a specific strategy for these cards, or am I supposed to just dodge and get out of the suns' way as much as possible?

8-4: I see it as a four-step process that coincides with the four corners of the screen.  I start with a pic with the initial freebie charge, then go into that pattern.  I lure her into the lower left, upper left, upper right, and lower right, at which point I charge my camera and take another pic.  I suppose which side doesn't matter for the most part, but what's important is that on her third movement (where her attack becomes largest), you're working with the vertical part of the screen, as it gives you more room to dodge the massive attack.  Once you have that down, you just have to not get hit by the random blue bullets.

8-6: Heavy emphasis on defensive photography.  Like the previous explanation, it's a step-by-step process that begins after an initial pic.  I lure a star all the way to the left, then basically proceed to ignore it; the camera won't charge quickly enough for me to do anything about it.  For the next two stars, I lure to the middle-rightish and right, during which I charge my camera to take a pic immediately after the rightmost star spawns, eliminating the stars and returning my precious breathing room (I make a note of taking the pic as soon as possible, as it gives you the most time to charge before the next star is fired).  Lure the next two stars to the middle-right and middle, at which point I repeat the action of photographing both stars, while snapping a pic of the boss at the same time.  Repeat.  Which side you work with truly doesn't matter, so feel free to take this strategy and mirror it if you have weird obsessive tendencies about which side of the screen you work on (like I do at times).

8-8: When you hear the boss' charge-up sound, make sure you move so you don't get killed by a star that spawns on you.  Take a pic of the boss, then stream any remaining stars, since their motion is aimed at you.  In my supplied replay, I make it a point to do two other things.  First, I make sure to photograph the arrow-shooting beacon that spawns with each wave.  Second, I manipulate her movement to the right so she starts spawning those beacons offscreen, where their bullets will never reach me.  If you fail to do those properly, don't get flustered, as it's not necessary since the arrow bullets are fired in a very dodgable pattern, but if you can eliminate them, it's one less thing to worry about.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 12:59:07 AM by Krim »
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #613 on: March 17, 2010, 01:04:54 AM »
Not really a spellcard, but how is DS's EX stage unlocked? 52 scenes or 1... what?
EX: Clear 52 scenes AND you have to have cleared at least one scene from each level. You're like, wrong, Neo. :colonveeplusalpha:
« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 01:15:09 AM by Always 無⑨ »

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #614 on: March 17, 2010, 01:22:29 AM »
EX: Clear 52 scenes AND you have to have cleared at least one scene from each level. You're like, wrong, Neo. :colonveeplusalpha:
I don't remember anyone saying anything about one from each level, they said clear level 1 >:

Although that makes a lot more sense.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #615 on: March 17, 2010, 09:41:38 AM »
I need a bit of help with DS. 1

How are supposed to do Scene 9-4? I don't have a clue about this one.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #616 on: March 17, 2010, 10:58:23 AM »
Take 9 pictures.  As fast as you can.  Pray you don't get fucked in that timespan.  It's a stupid card.  A really stupid card.  It was one of the last cards I captured (the only one that remained after it was 9-2, which isn't so hard as much as I'd just delayed learning it), and it has the highest photo count of any card I'd attempted.

I suppose as far as real advice, I expect you're aware of how the DNA strand moves (bounces off the walls, and redirects itself in the direction of Koishi's current location), and that Koishi's movement is fairly static aside from the occasional aimed charge.  It's probably memorizable to an extent, but I imagine it doesn't take much to screw it up, since if you screw up your positioning during Koishi's aimed charges, it can very easily skew the timing of the DNA's bouncing, and change the entire layout of the rest of the card.  Be aware of when the DNA strand is coming your way, and be especially aware if it's going to start horizontally bouncing along the bottom.

Basically, all I have to say is a bunch of obvious stuff.  I wish I had the magical solution for it that so many StB/DS cards have, but I don't.  Don't be ashamed to skip it and come back to it later.  It's harder than a lot of stuff that appears after it.
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #617 on: March 17, 2010, 12:46:25 PM »
12-3

Byakuren disappears off the right side and reappears on the left and there are 2035238 kunai in the way and I can't take a picture to clear them because Aya decides it's a good idea to automatically aim to the right instead and WHAT.

In the rare case that I actually survive that, the next part just auto-kills me anyway.

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #618 on: March 17, 2010, 12:56:42 PM »
12-3

Byakuren disappears off the right side and reappears on the left and there are 2035238 kunai in the way and I can't take a picture to clear them because Aya decides it's a good idea to automatically aim to the right instead and WHAT.

In the rare case that I actually survive that, the next part just auto-kills me anyway.

How to do vid

Everything needs to be executed perfectly. After she appears from the other side, wait at the very bottom and take a picture the moment she appears. Should there be any bullets left, pray. When she stops at the center and summons her lotus background, supercharge and take a picture instantly. Afterwards change to horizontal (important) and supercharge while going directly downwards. Take a picture instantly but DO NOT take a picture of Byakuren (you'll die). Afterwards tap dance towards her while supercharging and start all over again.

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #619 on: March 17, 2010, 01:17:05 PM »
I was going to put up my replay, but I like yours better, so I'll just agree with that.



The one thing I'll add:

Aya decides it's a good idea to automatically aim to the right instead and WHAT.

When it's time to take that picture, be sure you're holding focus just before you fire, since focusing will cause the crosshair to point in the boss' direction by default.
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #620 on: March 17, 2010, 01:28:32 PM »
When it's time to take that picture, be sure you're holding focus just before you fire, since focusing will cause the crosshair to point in the boss' direction by default.
...but unless you stall until a little beyond the last possible millisecond, Byakuren registers as being offscreen to the right.

I'm curious as to how you're expected to hit the shutter chance (Nice Shot!) on this card.  You can't really do it with Sam's method (you can theoretically get every other shot to be Nice! if you don't take the first counted shot ASAP).

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #621 on: March 17, 2010, 01:47:49 PM »
When it's time to take that picture, be sure you're holding focus just before you fire, since focusing will cause the crosshair to point in the boss' direction by default.

It does?! Damn... That would've been so useful to know...

...but unless you stall until a little beyond the last possible millisecond, Byakuren registers as being offscreen to the right.

I'm curious as to how you're expected to hit the shutter chance (Nice Shot!) on this card.  You can't really do it with Sam's method (you can theoretically get every other shot to be Nice! if you don't take the first counted shot ASAP).

I'm honestly pondering the same thing. To get the Nice Shot! would mean that the next time Byakuren disappears off-screen, you'd have to dodge every bullet, making the card extremely luck based (and no it isn't as it is now unless you fail a shot). It might be there just for those lunatics who want a challenge  :V

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #622 on: March 17, 2010, 01:55:25 PM »
...but unless you stall until a little beyond the last possible millisecond, Byakuren registers as being offscreen to the right.

I'm curious as to how you're expected to hit the shutter chance (Nice Shot!) on this card.  You can't really do it with Sam's method (you can theoretically get every other shot to be Nice! if you don't take the first counted shot ASAP).

As far as "stalling until a little beyond the last possible millisecond", it depends on what your definition of "the last possible millisecond" is.  If it's when the wall, as a single solid entity, "reaches you", yeah, you're pushing it until the last possible millisecond.  If you search for a hole in the wall and put yourself in there temporarily before clearing out a wave, it's plenty comfortable.  I don't think that's asking too much for a Level 12 scene.

As for scoring the Nice Shot bonuses, it's possible, but pretty stupid.  With a bit of luck and skill at reading random spam, you can dodge the kunai waves when Byakuren exits and enters on the same side, as it doesn't last too long.  But as nice as it would be to tack on another half million on this, I don't plan on going further than a partial demonstration.
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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #623 on: March 17, 2010, 02:42:37 PM »
A bit more on DS 9-4:

Taking those pictures as fast as possible is important. As way of guidance, you should take a photo immediately, then another as soon as possible, then a third right when Koishi charges at you. From this point on you should alternate between taking photos as soon as possible and taking a photo when Koishi charges at you. You'll finish on the fourth charge towards your location if everything goes right. I really can't imagine making the card last any longer than this.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 02:50:27 PM by Kefit »

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #624 on: March 17, 2010, 04:27:27 PM »
Wow, I'm good enough for Spoiler.
Need help with Aya's Spoiler 6/7.

Also, Illusionary Dominance is way too easy to be of Spoiler difficulty.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 04:30:49 PM by Always 無⑨ »

ebarrett

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #625 on: March 17, 2010, 05:07:08 PM »
Need help with Aya's Spoiler 6/7.
Stay the hell away from Aya before she takes a picture, charge in and take a picture just after she does. Repeat. For SP7, you have to lure her into a corner, and run to the other; and repeat as needed while always changing corners with her.

Also, Illusionary Dominance is way too easy to be of Spoiler difficulty.
It's easily the "hardest" of the bunch, even if it is cake compared to pretty much everything from stage 9 onwards. But the other SP levels are easier than a lot of stuff you find in, say, stage 4 or 5. Either way, SP stages are there just for the lulz (and to unlock Hatate).

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #626 on: March 17, 2010, 06:51:30 PM »
How is one supposed to capture Buddhist Art "Most Valuble Vajra" Easy?

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Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #627 on: March 17, 2010, 09:12:51 PM »
Is it normal that this happens?
On the last spoiler stage I sometimes get hit by one of those really quick lasers which represent Aya's fast movement. They seem totally aimed and cover a lower area of the screen than they normally do. Here's a pic of one about to hit me



edit: hmm, I think I just went too high, I can see a similar bullet sometimes when it doesn't hit me.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 09:15:49 PM by Helix Nine »

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #628 on: March 18, 2010, 09:16:26 AM »
What are you supposed to do on DS scene 10-5 and 10-7?

At 10-7 i suspect you are supposed to redirect the laser like at Marisa's Final Master Spark but i'm not sure.

Re: The New Spellcard Help Thread
« Reply #629 on: March 18, 2010, 09:38:23 AM »
What are you supposed to do on DS scene 10-5 and 10-7?

At 10-7 i suspect you are supposed to redirect the laser like at Marisa's Final Master Spark but i'm not sure.

I only know the pointing way in 10-5 but it isn't that hard compared to normal (or so I think as I know no other). When Tenshi shoots the rocks, go directly between two, any two, and when they begin to shoot, move one step closer to Tenshi and take a picture when she shoots next rocks. What should be left is a meager amount of aimed stuff so just supercharge quickly for next wave. Use horizontal for more points. Rinse and repeat until the last wave which gets very tight. Unless you're going 100% for points, just take a picture and get it over with.

You're on the right tracks with misdirecting.  I don't think you should have any problems with the first and second spots she uses as you can always go around her so I'll just give hints to do the next two after which it will start all over again and should be easy to finish (the card doesn't get that much harder by time as far I've noticed. Maybe it has more red orbs or something but honestly can't tell). The third spot in the upper left corner can be dealt with taking a picture of Tenshi while she is leaving the bottom left, clearing all the orbs there while at it. After she aims there go to the top and take a picture. The part afterwards is easily the hardest part of the card. While she moves to the lower right corner, you just need to dodge everything while going down or right and after she has aimed, go to the side last in line for destruction. Maybe you could use a defensive photo here because the next pictures will be easy and you should be able to finish before it gets hard again but I dunno  :/  No real trick for dodging the orbs while rushing all over the place and that's why this card is a pain.