Author Topic: Yume Nikki Mafia - Waking 2 (Read 70945 times)

Affinity · « **Reply #450 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:22:55 AM »

@Edible

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Serp and Rou aren't worth pursuing for now.

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unless we can find a better case to pursue.

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That leaves Carthrat and Affinity in my eyes, and Affinity's the better candidate there even with his claim.[/QUOTE

Why. The top two don't match up. The bottom is unexplained. Also, I don't see you questioning my defence in anyway. What is your judgment of it?

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@Rou

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The fact remains they're roles that are attempting to aid town.

Note the rule where the more townie roles there are after a certain limit, the more it is likely to damage town. I'm not buying this. Furthermore, if I claimed a doc, would you have believed me, judging that you said the above?

Affinity · « **Reply #451 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:25:43 AM »

EBWOP:

@Edible

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Serp and Rou aren't worth pursuing for now.

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unless we can find a better case to pursue.

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That leaves Carthrat and Affinity in my eyes, and Affinity's the better candidate there even with his claim.

Why. The top two don't match up. The bottom is unexplained. Also, I don't see you questioning my defence in anyway. What is your judgment of it?

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@Rou

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The fact remains they're roles that are attempting to aid town.

Note the rule where the more townie roles there are after a certain limit, the more it is likely to damage town. I'm not buying this. Furthermore, if I claimed a doc, would you have believed me, judging that you said the above?

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@Carthrat:

Actually, you did claim tracker in the first Mafia game I've ever played... and I think you've pulled it off well. In any case, I don't think it's fair to say that scum has that difficult a time sticking to his falseclaim if he did claim tracker.

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #452 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:30:20 AM »

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Note the rule where the more townie roles there are after a certain limit, the more it is likely to damage town. I'm not buying this.

The point here is that this is why GMs don't flood their games with roles.

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Furthermore, if I claimed a doc, would you have believed me, judging that you said the above?

Most likely not, for the same reasons. This is even before we consider the stigmata from Alice claiming Doc in your position last game...

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Actually, you did claim tracker in the first Mafia game I've ever played... and I think you've pulled it off well. In any case, I don't think it's fair to say that scum has that difficult a time sticking to his falseclaim if he did claim tracker.

...Wait, are you strengthening the argument against yourself?

I need to go get some sleep, so I'm going to put my vote somewhere useful before I go.

##Vote: Affinity (L-1)

Ninja:

Quote from: Carthrat on May 23, 2009, 01:19:25 AM

Man, even if there was a counterclaim, what stops there being two trackers?

I really don't like this statement. Same problem I noted with Affinity - if there were two trackers we're talking 4 Town PRs which is overpowered. Sounds like you're looking for ways to clear Affinity ahead of ways to find scum.

Affinity · « **Reply #453 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:41:06 AM »

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...Wait, are you strengthening the argument against yourself?

Nope, it neither strengthens or weakens the argument; just saying that Rat's reason for me being likely town doesn't quite hold up. Quite different, actually; your failure to understand that is unprecedented.

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The point here is that this is why GMs don't flood their games with roles.

Not neccesarily. This game could be special, and in any case, stupid setup speculation is stupid.

Sodium · « **Reply #454 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:43:58 AM »

Quote from: Roukanken on May 23, 2009, 01:30:20 AM

The point here is that this is why GMs don't flood their games with roles.

Except in Role Madness, I'm guessing. But those games are almost always stated as such, aren't they?

And I'm willing to change my vote if its necessary for a lynch, but for now, I'll just keep my vote on Zakeri for now.

And by obvtown, I mean that its probable that said person is town. There's never actually obvious town, and I meant it as a semi-joke.

@Edible:I doubt they'll be time for a new case in 1.15 hours. =|

Carthrat · « **Reply #455 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:49:38 AM »

Rou: I was taking a shot at Edible more than anything.. but yes. I'm also trying to stop an Affinity lynch today because his role, if he's scum, is a self-inflicted trap which can trip him up and even give us more info later. If town, however, it can give us a lynch for free. The rewards justify the risk.

Better to lynch him than nobody at all, though, sure.

And the game I claimed tracker as scum, I thought I had to because I was Usurper. I didn't think it was wise so much as necessary. (and in the end I was pretty lucky to win that one.)

Carthrat · « **Reply #456 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:52:25 AM »

Also, when I look back, I find I claimed watcher, not tracker. Not really much difference, though.

Edible · « **Reply #457 on:** May 23, 2009, 01:52:52 AM »

Carth's got a good point, to be honest. I hadn't considered that aspect.

##unvote

Hrm. I need to reread some things, and fast.

Nietz · « **Reply #458 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:00:04 AM »

Vote count:

Zakeri (1): Carthrat. Roukanken, Sodium Peroxide
Serpentarius (1): Affinity
Edible (1): Sodium Peroxide, Carthrat
Affinity (3): Edible, Zakeri, Roukanken, Serpentarius, Serpentarius, Roukanken
Alice (1): Carthrat
Sodium (1): Alice

Not voting: u?, Edible

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Affinity is at L-2.

1 hour remaining.

Edible · « **Reply #459 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:13:26 AM »

ASDF. Not enough time to organize another lynch, I'm afraid, unless we all pile on Zakeri or something. Grumble grumble grumble.

My reread of SP was decidedly neutral (I'm starting to despise that word). A fair bit of waffling, but at least it does look like he's paying attention to the game. Guess I'll reread something else.

?q · « **Reply #460 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:13:32 AM »

@everyone griping: uuko is still catching up, due to various events you probably don't want to hear about. I'm still about halfway through the game and the people I'm taking interest in don't seem to be the ones being looked at now.

I've read Rou's post 368, since that seemed to be the best summary of the Affinity case I could find. I noted Affinity 125 already, that's a fair accusation. The third point on Affinity is believable too. I'm pretty skeptical of Pesco immediately defending Affinity under the guise of FPMH (tells on Page 2 and early Page 3? No wai). The other two on Pesco are... okay. Overall the case doesn't seem great, but serviceable at least. I can't claim to know Affinity's potential motivation for tracking Kiro because I haven't read that far yet. I would not hammer Affinity of my own volition, but if you want me to secure a lynch I can do it.

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #461 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:15:03 AM »

I do not think that Affinity is the right lynch for today (due to claims), would prefer a Sodium Bromate lynch today if at all possible, if not, then Zakeri.

Edible · « **Reply #462 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:16:09 AM »

Should we have both of them claim, just in case? SP's here, I don't know if Zak is.

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #463 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:17:36 AM »

This is acceptable, yes.

Argh people can we not wait this late until deadline before voting? Seriously what the fuck this is reminding me of GWU Day 4 and that is *not* a good thing to be reminded of.

Edible · « **Reply #464 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:19:04 AM »

Speaking of GWU Day 4!

Hey Nietz - any chance of a ~4-hour extension?

Edible · « **Reply #465 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:22:49 AM »

EBWOP: Alice, why's SP scummy in your eyes? I think I missed that argument.

Nietz · « **Reply #466 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:30:24 AM »

30 minutes remaining.

And you already got what was effectively a 24 hour extension yesterday, remember?

?q · « **Reply #467 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:31:24 AM »

~~Half an hour left.~~ Cut...
I wish I could be more of a help, as I'm not particularly fond of an Affinity lynch based on the limited information I have, but frankly we're not going to get four/five people to vote someone else. (that being the difference between now and GWU D4)

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #468 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:32:18 AM »

This post is MetaTastic(TM) and clears people for reasons that I think are inadequate. It moves on to a case on you that lacks any actual justification beyond "oh hey you're not being obvtown so you're scum", which is certainly enough to suspect someone, but is it really enough to ##Vote them?

This post votes Zakeri while never actually saying why any of the points raised against him actually make him scummy.

Then we run into his latest posts, such as this one, where I really do have to wonder: how does scum!me act different from town!me in the aspects you've raised? All you've ever done is clear or attack people based off of meta, there does not appear to be any actual reasoning behind anything you've ever said or done.

So yeah...I'm voting him for what is essentially an indiscriminate use of meta combined with the fact that he hasn't actually done any scumhunting whatsoever.

@Rou: last Nietz game was 11 people with 3 scum and 3 town-aligned powers. I wouldn't be so hyper-keen to lynch Affinity at a point where if he is actually telling the truth, he could garner more useful information ~~or pull a hilarious gambit wherein he claims to track his scumbuddy and gets townie cred for it~~ for later use and therefore confirm himself.

This is why playing the setup on D2 is, quite honestly, a horrible idea imho.

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #469 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:33:08 AM »

Zakeri has one vote on him and myself, you and Edible are around, and I assume Affinity too?

Edible · « **Reply #470 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:34:15 AM »

Hmm, I guess that works.

Do we have four active players besides Alice willing to lynch SP?

Alternatively, do we have four active players willing to lynch Zakeri?

?q · « **Reply #471 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:39:00 AM »

The S.Peroxide case actually isn't that horrible.

What about Zakeri? I've been getting mixed signals from what I've read so far.

Serp · « **Reply #472 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:39:24 AM »

I'm present and willing to switch if absolutely necessary for a lynch.

Sodium · « **Reply #473 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:39:49 AM »

Got back from doing something quickly for 30 minutes.

Want me to roleclaim or something? And I'm willing to lynch Zakeri, if it wasn't already obvious.

Affinity · « **Reply #474 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:40:44 AM »

Yes, I am around, and can switch too.

Edible · « **Reply #475 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:40:55 AM »

Basically, Zakeri was doing his best Chen impression Day 1, defending pesco (scum) until very near the end of the day. We basically determined it was too bizarre to immediately lynch him as scum for, however.

I think SP's the better choice.

@SP: Roleclaim, yes.

Sodium · « **Reply #476 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:43:19 AM »

I'm just a Vanilia Townie. =|

Name claim is Monoe.

Nietz · « **Reply #477 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:47:20 AM »

13 minutes left.

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #478 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:48:33 AM »

So uh people need to vote now.

Edible · « **Reply #479 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:49:40 AM »

I guess that wraps that up. Sorry, SP.

##vote SP