There's this classic game called ogre battle

[Ghaleon]

They also made a sequel to it called Ogre battle 64, and they re-made ogrebattle for the PSX, it's very rare, and very expensive. I don't know a single person who played any of these games and not think it was absolutely awsome. But yet, they never made a sequel since, nor has anybody really made "rip-off"s of it, or anything really similar at all. Anybody know of any games that are spiritual sequels or something? I really don't see why such a classic hasn't been done more. My only beef with it was the stupid complicated schemes for getting people to join your party.

[trancehime]

You also forgot Ogre Tactics: Knights of Lodis for GBA.

[Ghaleon]

You also forgot Ogre Tactics: Knights of Lodis for GBA.

No I didn't, I don't really consider that a sequel/prequel. The game style has nothing in common. The story didn't even feel very similar. I know the stories have SOME connections but the traditional ogre battle games have alot of humanoid politics in their stories, and not many fantasy aspects. while on Knights of lodis, it was really about angels and demons and mermaids, dragons, yada yada. Almost no politics at all after the first chapter or whatever.

Anyway, that's like calling that vincent shooter game part of the Final fantasy series IMO, its...not.

[trancehime]

No I didn't, I don't really consider that a sequel/prequel. The game style has nothing in common. The story didn't even feel very similar. I know the stories have SOME connections but the traditional ogre battle games have alot of humanoid politics in their stories, and not many fantasy aspects. while on Knights of lodis, it was really about angels and demons and mermaids, dragons, yada yada. Almost no politics at all after the first chapter or whatever.

Anyway, that's like calling that vincent shooter game part of the Final fantasy series IMO, its...not.

It's a spin-off. That's like saying the Persona series isn't part of the Megaten series. IT IS.

Dirge of Cerberus is part of the FF series and Knights of Lodis is part of the OB/OT series as much as Persona is a part of the Megaten series.

Judging it on gameplay alone is bullcrap.

[Ghaleon]

It's a spin-off. That's like saying the Persona series isn't part of the Megaten series. IT IS.

Dirge of Cerberus is part of the FF series and Knights of Lodis is part of the OB/OT series as much as Persona is a part of the Megaten series.

Judging it on gameplay alone is bullcrap.

It may be a spinoff with the same name but based on this thread being formed on the sole-purpose asking for spiritual sequels based on its unique gameplay style, it's not bullcrap, take a pill >=P. It's a game worth mentioning if you're talking about tactical RPGS, but it just isn't relevant to what I was hoping for this thread to discuss.

[Aisha]

I tried out Ogre Battle for the SNES when I was young, but I found it too intimidating back then, so I didn't get very far. I did end up playing Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together a few summers back; I enjoyed it a lot. I'm not really sure how it falls into the overall series though (e.g., whether it's just a spin-off, etc), and it's more typical of the SRPG genre than I remember Ogre Battle being.

I can't think of anything similar to Ogre Battle in terms of gameplay though, partly because of my limited experience with it. There's probably a couple that never saw the light outside of Japan. (I've been wanting to check-out the Langrisser series for a while now, but the language barrier...)

[Ghaleon]

I tried out Ogre Battle for the SNES when I was young, but I found it too intimidating back then, so I didn't get very far. I did end up playing Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together a few summers back; I enjoyed it a lot. I'm not really sure how it falls into the overall series though (e.g., whether it's just a spin-off, etc), and it's more typical of the SRPG genre than I remember Ogre Battle being.

I can't think of anything similar to Ogre Battle in terms of gameplay though, partly because of my limited experience with it. There's probably a couple that never saw the light outside of Japan. (I've been wanting to check-out the Langrisser series for a while now, but the language barrier...)

I think let us cling together is basically a lite version of knight of lodis.

[Moogy]

I think let us cling together is basically a lite version of knight of lodis.

No, wrong. LUCT is the original Tactics Ogre, the game upon which FFT was based.

[Ghaleon]

No, wrong. LUCT is the original Tactics Ogre, the game upon which FFT was based.

I know it came first, but I could have sworn reading somewhere that knight of lodis was basically an attempt to make LUCT with "more stuff...or more levels.. Had 2 more chapters or something". But honestly I never played it (I tried to though back int he day, couldn't ever find a copy of the dang game).

I know there was a Japanese tactics ogre for the SNES which never got translated, even fan translations (which may have been done now finally, not sure) were uber slow, often considered impossible due to some weird technical problem like the text in the game were actually graphics and not actual text, I don't remember.

All of them aren't like Ogre battle or ogre battle 64 though in terms of gameplay, along with every other game I know. Regardless of if they are good or not.

[Xelotath]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_Battle:_The_March_of_the_Black_Queen

At the bottom of that page there is a list of games in the series. It refers to the first SNES one as Episode 5 but it doesn't list any games before that. Weird.

I tried the N64 game but I didn't really understand it back then. I was expecting a classic RPG. I should try the games again since I now love SRPGs.

[Ghaleon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_Battle:_The_March_of_the_Black_Queen

At the bottom of that page there is a list of games in the series. It refers to the first SNES one as Episode 5 but it doesn't list any games before that. Weird.

I tried the N64 game but I didn't really understand it back then. I was expecting a classic RPG. I should try the games again since I now love SRPGs.

Yeah, when you beat march of the black queen, it says episode 5 in the credits. At first I was excited that there were other games. But it's just one of those silly Japanese/whatever stories that get converted into a game mid-way thru the story.

The N64 version is much like the march of hte black queen. It's not really a SRPG. I mean, it has rpg elements, and..well, it has its own version of strategy. But not like your typical SRPG where tactics involve unit positioning, semi-advanced character development (for console rpg standards), etc. Its strategy is more like an RTS with pausing. Alot of it is resource management too actually. Early game you really take it for granted if its your first time. But later on you suddenly realize that unit costs and upkeeps and whatnot can really drag you down if you don't do it right.

[Moogy]

I know there was a Japanese tactics ogre for the SNES which never got translated

The original Tactics Ogre for the SNES is the exact same game as LUCT - LUCT was merely the PSX port.

Since everyone in this thread is woefully misinformed, here is the order of the games:

Ogre Battle - SNES
Tactics Ogre - SNES (Mostly the same staff as FFT)
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together - PSX (PSX port of Tactics Ogre)
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen - PSX (PSX port of the original, released at the same time as LUCT, very rare)
Ogre Battle 64 - N64
Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis - GBA

[Ghaleon]

The original Tactics Ogre for the SNES is the exact same game as LUCT - LUCT was merely the PSX port.

Since everyone in this thread is woefully misinformed, here is the order of the games:

Ogre Battle - SNES
Tactics Ogre - SNES (Mostly the same staff as FFT)
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together - PSX (PSX port of Tactics Ogre)
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen - PSX (PSX port of the original, released at the same time as LUCT, very rare)
Ogre Battle 64 - N64
Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis - GBA

That's mostly what I thought so I dunno what I mentioned that was uninformed minus the self-proclaimed "not sure about" let us cling together/knight of lodis lite version similarities.. I re-researched it and can't find that info again. But anyway as I said I never played/seen let us cling together, but I did know it was more of the fft type of gameplay and less of the original ogrebattle type (which still holds true). Alas modern info doesn't really seem to compare let us cling together and the GBA version as the same game at all (though still more of the FFT type of gameplay as opposed to the ogrebattle/ Ogre battle 64 version).

Sorry if I seem argumentative I'm just being anal about my knowledge/opinion because I'm really interested in the possibility that I've misunderstood something in hopes of a spiritual sequel to the original ogrebattle/n64 version.

[ceiling hat]

The original Tactics Ogre for the SNES is the exact same game as LUCT - LUCT was merely the PSX port.

Since everyone in this thread is woefully misinformed, here is the order of the games:

Ogre Battle - SNES
Tactics Ogre - SNES (Mostly the same staff as FFT)
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together - PSX (PSX port of Tactics Ogre)
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen - PSX (PSX port of the original, released at the same time as LUCT, very rare)
Ogre Battle 64 - N64
Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis - GBA

Also Zenobian prince for the NeoGeo Pocket Color :V

Released about half a year before OB64. It's kinda neat, because it's basically Ogre Battle SNES with some features that would eventually appear in OB64, like being able to suspend a campaign.