Touhou RAGE Thread

[Yukkuri]

Unfortunately in MOF there is no bomb counter.  But I agree with everything else.

[Zengeku]

No need to play hero. Bomb if you feel in danger and don't rely on death-bombing. The goal in most cases are a 1cc. If that's the case then its far better to die without bombs in stock than to die with bombs in stock. As the text said: Save your dodging skills for when you are out of bombs. That makes sense.

Oh and i just died thrice to Kimontonkou. That spell pisses me so much off.

[nintendonut888]

Bullets blend in with the background? Why the heck do people always say that? THEY DON'T. I can't imagine why you'd think that unless your monitor was really bright or something.

And yeah, I still remember when I was starting and thought I could bomb after I hear the death sound. Quite simply, there's not a single person in the world with reflexes like that. It's not really something you can practice either.

But for MoF, I actually death bomb 9/10 times I intend to, and I think it has one of the more lenient death bomb times.

[Drake]

The only time I found bullets to blend in is MoF Stage 4, with the little purple and blue shit. But that's just if you're not paying attention to them at all.

[lmagus]

WTF IN Normal is so hard lol

I've finished MoF and PCB on normal, and got to Kanako on MoF Hard.. But IN Normal is much harder than all of these!
Why did people say IN normal was easier than PCB?

I lose nearly all my lives to stage 3 + 4 + Marisa and if i happen to still have any spare lives, they're taken from me on stage 5..

what the hell, I just watched a replay from IN normal and it scared me cause it's so much harder than PCB and MoF =(

[Yukkuri]

IN has a lot of tricks, but once you figure them out, you will think it is a lot easier.

[?q]

I'm guessing you're using the Border Team...

Stage 3:  Homing takes care of virtually everything.  You can get through the fairy barrages early on by staying still and letting the homing take care of it, and dodging what's left.
Keine's Orb card is poorly made; be ready to bomb it.  Phantasmal Emperor should only be difficult for the first wave; after that if the center familiars should be destroyed (unless you focus, in which case get ready to micrododge the static pattern until the card is over).

Stage 4:  Homing takes care of most of the stage portion.  You have to be able to stream the fairies that surround themselves with familiars, especially the chain of them that appear toward the end.  Do not try to stay focused through Non-Directional Laser, as you will likely not have the speed to get through the walls of stars.  Stardust Reverie is static, so if you die to it, don't move there again next time.  Stay unfocused against Marisa's nonspells (except for the second one) in hopes of breaking her familiars and making them much easier.  If you don't want to learn how to do Earth Light Ray, go ahead and bomb it for now; it doesn't have many HP.  Bomb Marisa's second nonspell if you even think you're going to get hit.

Stage 5:  The fairies like the one at the start of the stage shoot static(?) bullet patterns and can be dodged with relatively little movement from bottom center.  Destroy all of the fairies that surround themselves with familiars while focused.  The fairies after Tewi shoot aimed bullets.  Bomb Tewi's first attack if you feel you have to; her second attack is actually pretty easy so try to learn it.  Don't bother unfocusing during the Reisen fight.

Other:  Do yourself a favor and move to the left as soon as Kaguya's first spell card begins.  You'll loathe Kaguya slightly less when you can actually see the lasers that pierce your hitbox. (@donut:  This is the one and only time in the Windows games where the bullets DO blend in with the background, in this case the moon.)   Also in general, try to bomb BEFORE you get hit.  Deathbombs are nice and everything, but if you try to rely on them you won't make it.

[LHCling]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4077

EDIT: many, many 1-bomb clears now. Damn clipdeaths. Screw this.

EDIT 2: It's funny. I clipdeath more on "Apollo 13" than say, Eirin's mid-boss Attack Phase. Also, cold fingers induce 400% more clipdeaths!

[Generalguy]

WTF IN Normal is so hard lol

I've finished MoF and PCB on normal, and got to Kanako on MoF Hard.. But IN Normal is much harder than all of these!
Why did people say IN normal was easier than PCB?

I lose nearly all my lives to stage 3 + 4 + Marisa and if i happen to still have any spare lives, they're taken from me on stage 5..

what the hell, I just watched a replay from IN normal and it scared me cause it's so much harder than PCB and MoF =(

Personnally I found IN Normal incredibly easy (I almost always stayed near the top of the screen during the stages), but I had just finished 1cc-ing the game on easy for the 11th time in like a week, so I knew the game by heart and knew mostly what to do. Let's see if I saved my replay...
Well I didn't, but the spellcard history says I captured every spellcard in stage 1 to 3, and all but one in stage 5. I completely sucked against Marisa though.

How many times did you clear IN Easy? You could use that as practice. I don't know if you have problems collecting point items, but if you do, try to collect 1100 of them on Easy to be able to AT LEAST get 800 on Normal.

And about deathbombing in MoF, I know I must bomb when I feel I'm in danger, but I ALWAYS feel like I'm in danger and bomb-spam constantly. On the rare occasions I feel like I can actually clear that crap, I clipdeath or fail to see that stupid single bullet going through that giant ring of bullets and die with 3 power. But it's mostly my fault I suck at this game. I rarely ever use stage practice, and when I use it I want to find how to dodge some parts of the stage to avoid running out of power, but usually I suck so much at them I just ragequit. I'm like 3 times crappier than during a playthrough (5 lives lost WTF). Maybe I should practice stage 2 before stage 4.

EDIT : I tried doing some kind of walkthrough for IN Normal, but chose the Magic Team. I had forgotten the stage 4 boss is different depending on who you choose. D'OH. This mostly ended being a playthrough of me fooling around and struggling to do any damage with Alice. Also I timed out Reimu's last spell. I didn't understand what the hell was going on and barely did any damage.
I hope it's still useful somehow. Replay

[nintendonut888]

I was having some late night (3:17 AM here right now) fun and challenged Mystia and Keine. Mystia's fight went meh, and Keine's went a little bleh, but what made this rageful at all (I still only ever die once to Keine these days) is that after I destroyed Legend of Gensokyo, I got hit and had to death bomb. Granted I had already failed the spell card, but aren't you supposed to be INVINCIBLE upon killing a boss? And I'm not mistaken; the time orbs were well on their way to me, so it wasn't a split second before boss defeat affair. The game seemed to be confused too, because it hanged a few seconds longer before entering her last spell.

[?q]

Last Spells won't start if the player is invincible for any reason.

[lmagus]

IN easy was the first game I beat, on my first try.
I only beat it again two weeks ago to see how much better I had gotten, and i doubled my score, but that's about it..

I'll give it some tries today.

[Zengar Zombolt]

StB Patchouli.
Pretty much Embodiment of WALLS WALLS WALLS.

[KomeijiKoishi]

StB Patchouli.
Pretty much Embodiment of WALLS WALLS WALLS.

You're not alone. I especially hate this Yellow-Green-Card where the bullets spawn around her.

[?q]

StB Patchouli.
Pretty much Embodiment of WALLS WALLS WALLS.

You're not alone. I especially hate this Yellow-Green-Card where the bullets spawn around her.

Take picture, quickly charge, take picture, quickly charge, and you should be able to go through it without really needing a strategy.

The water card is much worse IMO, as you have to deliberately fail shots to take out the lasers.

[Zengar Zombolt]

The water card is much worse IMO, as you have to deliberately fail shots to take out the lasers.

Actually that's the one that makes me rage.
Well, that and everything Youmu has.

[?q]

Well, that and everything Youmu has.

That's because it takes 90 seconds to fail your second shot <.<

6-4 and 6-8 are matters of spacing out the slashes.  6-2 and 6-6 are OMG GIL-VISION with a side of clipdeath.

[Drake]

asdfasdf I got all the way up to Utsuho, bombed Nuclear Recursion once, Giga Flare once, and died three times to Planetary Revolution. How can I fail that aljnsfknasf

[nintendonut888]

Oh...THAT hurt. After trying to beat EoSD stage 4 no deaths with Marisa A and failing at Lava Cromlech, AGAIN, I tried with Marisa B. I somehow managed to perfect the stage still books aside, and entered Patchy's much easier fight. My victory seemed set, I was handling Water Elf fine...but Patchy went out of my reach, and caused it to drag on 20 seconds longer than it should have. I was cornered, had to bomb, and bombed RIGHT WHEN THE SPELL CARD ENDED FUCK. I died to Mercury Poison afterwards of course.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Well, that and everything Youmu has.

That's because it takes 90 seconds to fail your second shot <.<

6-4 and 6-8 are matters of spacing out the slashes.  6-2 and 6-6 are OMG GIL-VISION with a side of clipdeath.

Ok, got past her.
But now SAKYUA AND REMILIA FFFFFF
I'm going to take a photo and BITCH STOPS TIME AND MOVES OUTSIDE THE FRAME WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT.

[nintendonut888]

The trick to that attack is that the only time Sakuya won't move out of your reach is when you have a nice shot opportunity (the red pentagram flashes).

[Zengar Zombolt]

The trick to that attack is that the only time Sakuya won't move out of your reach is when you have a nice shot opportunity (the red pentagram flashes).

Note taken.
I'll still probably use the 35 stages cleared requirement for the next level, tho.

[Azinth]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I FUCKING HATE MARISA'S SECOND NONSPELL.  WHAT THE FUCK WAS ZUN DRINKING WHEN HE MADE THIS PIECE OF SHIT, IT IS FIFTEEN HUNDRED BAJILLION TIMES WORSE THAN ASTEROID BELT, OMOIKANE'S BRAIN, APOLLO 13, LIFE SPRING INFINITY, AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER ATTACK FROM IN THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS SEEM TO COMPLAIN ABOUT (except Hourai Jewel... but... dammit, it's even getting dangerously close to rivaling that card).

[?q]

Having spent too much time on Hourai Jewel today, I can say that it's probably easier on Hard than it is Normal because the bullet pattern moves more quickly.
So Marisa's nonspell is automatically worse.

Ok, got past her.
But now SAKYUA AND REMILIA FFFFFF
I'm going to take a photo and BITCH STOPS TIME AND MOVES OUTSIDE THE FRAME WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT.

What donut said.  I still hate that card because I kept trying to take pics early.

The easiest spells in Stage 7 are probably Inflation World, whatever that bat thing is in 7-6, and whichever other one you find easiest (I like 7-4 myself).  7-2 is one of the most irritating cards in the game though.

[nintendonut888]

Protip: Marisa's second non-spell is static as far as I can see. Still an unreasonable attack with the border team.

[Sodium]

Which one is the second non-spell? >_>

[nintendonut888]

It's the non-spell after the first one.

[Sodium]

It's the non-spell after the first one.

No shit. Describe it?

[?q]

It's the one with the stars and the familiars that arrange themselves just so and it's really hard.

[?q]

It's the noncard with the shifting walls of stars.  Marisa surrounds herself with familiars so it's difficult to damage her, and the walls are dense with stars that subtly move about... and the walls have a tendency to stack on each other.

I don't think it's static from what I recall...