Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)

[Sabino]

Byakuren's permanently stuck in her late teens/early twenties. While most youkai tend to change slightly over the years, and Lunarians (I think) also change a bit during the course of their life times, Byakuren is frozen in her current age. She doesn't get older, age-wise nor body-wise. Even if you call her over 4000 years old, she technically still is seventeen eighteen.angry.[/i]

Bykuren>
Watch how you word stuff, since Byakuren officially aged. (Read the .txt for more details)
She constantly needs to use "un-aging" magic to return her to her good looking self.
Oh, and if you're interested she appears in some of the really old Japanese documents. Even in picture.
She's quite the...er... old ha*NAMUSAN-ed*

Question - what's wrong with the "perspective" of the game?
It's like Civilization, or Hearts of Iron, right? Where a tank is as big as a nation. It's just a visual strategic representation of a Danmaku fight.

Yeah you should think it like many of the other shooters which size does not make any sense at all.
We've seen tons of humongous tanks and "the world's strongest back fighting air craft" which were all of crazy size. Let's just think shooters that consist of player vs. stages are supposed to be like that.
Since we never complain to stuff like this.
Why should we start complaining now? XD

[OkashiiKisei]

Bykuren>
Watch how you word stuff, since Byakuren officially aged. (Read the .txt for more details)
She constantly needs to use "un-aging" magic to return her to her good looking self.
Oh, and if you're interested she appears in some of the really old Japanese documents. Even in picture.
She's quite the...er... old ha*NAMUSAN-ed*

As far as I know, it's literally an anti-aging power, and it's on full automatic. She doesn't need to constantly cast it on herself, in fear of growing old again, but the spell is permanent. She doesn't need to recast it. Even if you drain all her power she'll still have eternal youth. It isn't really a spell.It's more a characeristic of her race. True, fully developed youkai mages (or, as I refer to them, Greater Magicians) are automatically immortal (age wise. You can still kill them by blasting their head off, ofcourse). It's like how Lunarians are also eternally youthful age wise. It isn't a spell, it's their very being.

You can read this in the Perfect Memento article on Mages. I know Perfect Memento is unreliable, but this seems like the real deal. And I don't know where you go the 'Byakuren needs to constantly recast her immortality spell' thing from....

[Sabino]

Ok, points taken, but we don't know if the anti-aging power is the same thing as that of Patuli or Alice (More of, looking at the description differences, I'd say they are completely different things.) so we can't state anything about the characteristics of the spell.
So, I'm just saying you shouldn't glomp her together with everything else and make it sound like she's never seen age before.

[Forte Blackadder]

Byakuren's profile clearly stated she obtained the power to be young. So there are 2 possibilities:

1. It's magic: there are 2 kind of magic, a casting and a passive one. In Byakuren's case, I actually think it's the latter. However, since it's magic it requires the mana/magic power of the caster, even if it's the passive kind. Additionally, Byakuren is using magic to buff herself, so it's very obvious she has a great pool of mana to back it up. But it doesn't change the fact that when she's out of it, she's gone.

2. It's a bliss/curse: Byakuren may got this kind of 'power' when she's seeking eternal youth. This is very possible for it to be a natural bliss/curse, which Byakuren cast it on herself via a ritual. By using this, the youth will not fade away as long as she's alive.

The "age" is simply a term we human use to describe "how many year one has been living", so it's rather the experience, not the appearance. Byakuren's body/anatomy/whatever can be that of a 18/20/22 years old but it doesn't change the truth that she has the number of 4 digits for her birthday cake's candles.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Ok, points taken, but we don't know if the anti-aging power is the same thing as that of Patuli or Alice (More of, looking at the description differences, I'd say they are completely different things.) so we can't state anything about the characteristics of the spell.
So, I'm just saying you shouldn't glomp her together with everything else and make it sound like she's never seen age before.

Patchouli and Alice are completely different things to begin with, according to PM. Patchouli was born a youkai-magician; Alice was born a human. They each required a completely different type of magic to become "full fledged youkai-magicians."

[Forte Blackadder]

I still don't know if Alice became a youkai by the dark grimmoire or something else haha.
But she is still one of the beauties in Gensokyo :V

[OkashiiKisei]

Patchouli and Alice are completely different things to begin with, according to PM. Patchouli was born a youkai-magician; Alice was born a human. They each required a completely different type of magic to become "full fledged youkai-magicians."

Perfect Memento also notes that they aren't completey full-fledged yet. They're youkai magicians, yes, and they'll licve for thousand of yearsm, but they'll eventually die a natural death (this type I refer to as Intermediate Mages). They have learned to transcend the need for food. However, to become full-fledged, you need to transcend your temper (like I described last time). Only then will you become a full-fledged youkai mage (which I refer to as Greater Magicians), who are unable to grow old and to die natural deaths (ofcourse you can still kill them with human weaponry, but they won't die of age). As far as I understand, Byakuren is this. Patchouli and Alice are still aiming for this (especially Patchy).

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Correction:

There are two types of magicians: those who were born as magicians and humans who became magicians.

At the point when they become complete magicians, their growth (aging) stops (*1).

Magicians by birth can use magic from the beginning; like humans, they grow, age, and have a limited lifespan.

Then, when they learn Shachuu [literally, "abandoning temper"] magic (*2), they become long-lived, complete magicians.

In the case of those who were originally human, when in the course of their study of magic they learn Shashoku [literally, "abandoning food"] magic (*3), they become magicians.

After that, it's the same as for normal magicians.1: There are those who are attempting to create magic to restore their youth, but......

2: Magic to stop one's growth. It can only be used on oneself.

3: Magic that allows you to compensate for not eating food via magic power. It can only be used on oneself.

[OkashiiKisei]

So if a human learns Sashoku, is said human immediatly as long lived as youkai magicians who learned Shachuu? Or do the human-turned-youkai magicians also need to learn Shachuu to completely stop aging? (with Sashoku only giving slowed aging?)

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

... Now that you mention it, good question. I'd been assuming it's the former (and this is therefore the way I'd been doing it in my fanon -- c.f. Marisa's comments in Perfect Square).

[OkashiiKisei]

... Now that you mention it, good question. I'd been assuming it's the former (and this is therefore the way I'd been doing it in my fanon -- c.f. Marisa's comments in Perfect Square).

Yeah, because of that I made that Lesser > Intermediate > Greater hierachy. Lesser Magician is anyone who knows a decent bit of magic, Intermediate can be a human who learned Shashoku or a naturally born youkai magician and Greater Magician is a youkai magician who learned Shachuu or a Shashoku human who learned Shachuu. Lesser: human life span. Intermediate: youkai life span. Greater: Infinite lifespan.

[Helix ⑨]

How do I unlock DS extra? I have 52 cards captued but it also says 1 *moon runes*, what is that?

[Nat Tea]

How do I unlock DS extra? I have 52 cards captued but it also says 1 *moon runes*, what is that?

Clear 1 scene in each level (1-12) and you must have 55 scenes total cleared.

[Helix ⑨]

Clear 1 scene in each level (1-12) and you must have 55 scenes total cleared.

you're telling me I have to clear something in 12 
Guess I'll go for 

[Nat Tea]

you're telling me I have to clear something in 12 
Guess I'll go for 

I'm wrong, it's actually 53 total scenes cleared (1 scene cleared from each level for 1 to 12 still applies though)

[Helix ⑨]

Thought it was 52, ah well I'm on the last spoiler now.

does some1 know what this means:

[Sabino]

Thought it was 52, ah well I'm on the last spoiler now.

does some1 know what this means:

I translated the same thing in DS omake text thread if you're interested.

[Helix ⑨]

I translated the same thing in DS omake text thread if you're interested.

exactly what I wanted

[KrackoCloud]

What's being remixed in the Kinema Kan 2 ending/credits?

Also, I'll bring up a question I had before, since it didn't appear to be answered.
Does anyone know of where I can find all of the seals/insignias in the Touhou fighters? Or are there none? The spritesheets I find only seem to contain a few of the entire set.

[OkashiiKisei]

What's being remixed in the Kinema Kan 2 ending/credits?

Also, I'll bring up a question I had before, since it didn't appear to be answered.
Does anyone know of where I can find all of the seals/insignias in the Touhou fighters? Or are there none? The spritesheets I find only seem to contain a few of the entire set.

Here's a few of them. I can't find the rest on Spriters Resource. I'll try other sources later.

Cirno (At the top. Poor crayon drawing of Cirno)
Aya (All the way at the bottom. Green leaf seal)
Meiling (Rainbow swirl at the top right)
Komachi (At the bottom. Golden coin seal)
Patchouli (At the bottom right. Purple star seal)
Sakuya (Middle right. Red Devil star)
Sanae (At the top. Snake and frog emblem)
Suwako (At the top. KUNG-FU FROG EMBLEM)

And that's all I have. I hope I helped you out. I don't know on which song the ED of 2nd Curtain is based though.

[OkashiiKisei]

Say, Mugenkan and the Garden of the Sun seem to be popular locations in fan works. But I'm having a hard time how Mugenkan and it's surrounding area is organized. There's the Garden of the Sun, the mountain, the lake of blood, Mugenkan Mansion and Dream World. I kmow Dream World is linked to Mugenkan mansion, but what about the first three places? I mean, which comes first: The Garden of the Sun, the mountain or the lake?
Mugenkan is surrounded by the lake of blood, which is located at the top of the mountain. But is the Garden of the Sun at the foot of the mountain, on the mountain or on the island in middle of the lake of blood? The garden appears to be ginormous, and overall flat surfaced in most depictions, but wouldn't be extremely inconvenient for Yuuka to constantly fly miles from her house to the garden all the way down? And what if she forgets to bring her garden tools? Then she'd have to fly all the way up again to get those tools, which would be especially annoying for her since she's extremely slow...
And do flowers also grow on the mountain itself, linked to the Garden of the Sun?

From what I figure from this, you'd first have a humongous field of flowers, that goes on into infinity. In the middle you'd have the mountain, which is also covered in flowers. Then comes the Lake of Blood, and in the island in it's middle you have Mugenkan Mansion, which itself leads to the Dream World. But the first few parts are obviously fully in bloom with millions of flowers, yet I always imagine the area around the Lake of Blood as a dry landscape, with rocks and dead trees everywhere, and a reddish mist hanging around. Quite a drastic mood shift, if you ask me. Unless the Lake of Blood is what keeps the Garden alive and is it's main 'water source', which would mean the Lake of Blood would also be surrounded by flowers.

Actually, shouldn't all that blood, you know, start to clot? It's just there, lying in a still lake in the open air, without any form of nutrition or movement. Shouldn't it all quickly hard into a crusty mass on which you could basically walk? (though the thought is pretty disgusting) Unless Yuuka constantly refreshes it with victims/magic, or puts in loads of anti-clogging formulae (I don't know what the official term is. Various blood suckers have the stuff in their saliva), that lake should've hardend loooong ago.

[Sabino]

Mugenkan has not appeared in the Windows Touhou series. So fans are free to think what they want about what could have happened to it, but since ZUN retested everything when he moved it on to Win, chances are that it doesn't even exist in Gensoukyou.

The best description about the Garden of Sun is the fact that it exists near Hakurei shrine, across a river from the bamboo forests that Eientei is located in.
...Or at least on the map that fans agree on for now.
*The small yellow splotch of sunflowers on that map is the assumed place of the garden of sun.

[8lue Wizard]

Unless Yuuka constantly refreshes it with victims/magic, or puts in loads of anti-clogging formulae (I don't know what the official term is. Various blood suckers have the stuff in their saliva)

The term you're looking for is anticoagulant.

Alternatively, the lake could be composed primarily of water, with just enough blood to give it an ominous red colour; or, it could just be red and forboding, and not have anything to do with actual blood. Y'never know. :V

[LHCling]

Don't forget, the lake is actually purple in colour!  :V

I now raise the theory of imitation blood.

[Demonbman]

Was there danmaku before Murasa was sealed away, and is it clear how she died?

[Spidere]

Don't forget, the lake is actually purple in colour!  :V

I now raise the theory of imitation blood.

I think that's due to the limited colour pallete.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

I think the "Lake of Blood" is just some kind of "magic construct." It doesn't have to make physical sense.

My theory is that Mugenkan is its own separate realm -- it may or may not be an actual subset of Gensokyo (it probably is), but it doesn't necessarily take up physical "space" in Gensokyo, much the same way Gensokyo doesn't take up space in the Outside World. This is corroborated by the fact that Mugenkan and the Extra Stage are referred to as dream worlds -- which also means that the physics there isn't necessarily as sensical as it is in Gensokyo.

I also can't remember if it was clear exactly when you crossed over to this dream world (could someone with a better memory see if this idea is entirely spurious?), so if the Lake of Blood is in the dream world, there's even less grounds for it to make physical sense.

[Sabino]

Was there danmaku before Murasa was sealed away, and is it clear how she died?

It says Murasa died because her ship sunk... So probably hypothermia, drowning, fish bate... etc. or any combination of them.
Timeline wise we don't exactly know when this was, but some say it should be between; when Kaguya got prosecuted from the moon and when Yuyuko died.
...and there were no spellcard rules back then.

[Helix ⑨]

what do the numbers point by the arrow represent?


First I thought it was just # of attempts but they start to differ a lot if you capture a second time. Also I swear I captured this card on my first try, but when I looked it said 11, so what is it?

[Sabino]

Numbers of pictures shot.
Pictures taken until first successful shot... or it can alternatively mean Number of shots taken on first successful attempt.
Not quite sure since I have yet to play it.