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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)
« Reply #150 on: February 27, 2010, 12:36:18 PM »
Celestial is beings that stronger than Shinigami, I'm not sure if they're stronger than most, but let's say they have the power to defeat Shinigami. (It's like water > fire > leaf type of power) Therefore they won't die. About their youth, it's quite obvious that they eat Hourai peaches (not "Hourai" from Kaguya's name nor it relates to the elixir, but from the kanji... how to say it... "Hourai" in Chinese means somewhere paradise-like, the place where most of celestial live after finished their training. Usually goes with "island" or "mountain" (Yeah, "Hourai-san" Kaguya LOL))
The peaches there are believed to keep the eaters young and healthy, in some folktale it can even let you choose the age you'll be. It's the same as the food on Olympus in Greek Myth or the peaches in Journey to the West.

Tenshi's power... I say she inherited her family's power as a celestial, then trained herself to be at the finest (I dunno her age ~) mostly should be around the Kea-Stone's and Hisou Sword's powers.

Anyway long story short: Celestial is one of the races closer to Gods, I'd like to say Tenshi is around top 5 strongest in Touhou (stronger than Suika)

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« Reply #151 on: February 27, 2010, 01:44:36 PM »
Tenshi's power... I say she inherited her family's power as a celestial, then trained herself to be at the finest (I dunno her age ~) mostly should be around the Kea-Stone's and Hisou Sword's powers.

Anyway long story short: Celestial is one of the races closer to Gods, I'd like to say Tenshi is around top 5 strongest in Touhou (stronger than Suika)

I don't think Tenshi did any training to make her strong, its mainly her race that makes her strong.
Its like Remilia or Flandre not needing to do any training since they already possess the strength of an Oni and the speed of a Tengu.

Stronger than Suika we do not know, since Onis that are Onis by nature are really something closer to gods, or guardians....

P.S. It's really hard to make any power balance charts in Japanese folklore since there are humans that beat Yokais like Onis, and there are gods that have lost against Yokai,and there are also humans that have become Yokai, or gods.So, its really hard to generalize any kind of A weaker than B but wins against C, type of relationship...
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« Reply #152 on: February 27, 2010, 02:27:38 PM »
I don't think Celestial is that kind of race. Celestial are people who trained themselves into another level and acquired powers.
There is 2 kinds of god here, one is the nature gods whose existence based on people's faith (like Suwako, Kanako). These 'gods' are not really god, they may just a powerful youkai who help people and gained their trust, for instance, Byakuren can be that kind of god too (ex: Sun WuKong or Guan Yu). The other one is like Shinki and Dragon God, whose beings are extremely powerful and already recognized as gods who have absolute power. (ex: Zeus or Odin)

Oni is closer to the nature gods, while Tenshi is closer to the 'gods'.

Wtf did I just type.

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« Reply #153 on: February 27, 2010, 02:36:04 PM »
I don't think Celestial is that kind of race. Celestial are people who trained themselves into another level and acquired powers.
There is 2 kinds of god here, one is the nature gods whose existence based on people's faith (like Suwako, Kanako). These 'gods' are not really god, they may just a powerful youkai who help people and gained their trust, for instance, Byakuren can be that kind of god too (ex: Sun WuKong or Guan Yu). The other one is like Shinki and Dragon God, whose beings are extremely powerful and already recognized as gods who have absolute power. (ex: Zeus or Odin)

Oni is closer to the nature gods, while Tenshi is closer to the 'gods'.

Wtf did I just type.

I know what you're getting at, but read my first post about Tenshi. I stated there that Tenshi's family was made a Celestial by the gods, or who ever it was that have control over those things.
Tenshi her self never did any work to become like that (If she did, she wouldn't be a brat like she is now.)
but someone in her family or bloodline (probably her father) was given the post of a Celestial and the rest of her family became a Celestial, like a branch attached to a tree.

Edit:Sorry, the deed came from even farther, Tenshi's family Hinanai originally comes from a greater family called the Nai, since the Nai family were made Celestials due to their deeds, the Hinanais also were raised up to the class... but still, same argument.
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« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2010, 02:44:10 PM »
I agree that Tenshi's not a refined lady. But it doesn't mean she spent her life playing with candles and whips all the time. She can still trained fighting and magic then run off to Iron Maiden when it came to art and literature right?

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« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2010, 02:50:27 PM »
Yes, since she's originally like a noble, she has the art, knowledge, and skills.
But, Tenshi states that "She got tired of an eternal life drinking and singing and having fun" and since she wanted some excitement in her life she decided to make trouble.
So, no she didn't play around with candles and whips, but yes she was playing around like a noble... which she soon lost interest in.

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« Reply #156 on: February 27, 2010, 03:08:06 PM »
Wow, this is quite an info dump! All this new information made me respect Tenshi alot more.
I didn't know peaches were so special in religion and mythology. Judging from your explanations, they can indeed be compared to the nectar of the Greek Gods. Would they weaken if they stopped consuming the peaches, though? Or are a few peaches enough to stay young permanently? I'm also still not sure if Tenshi counts as a corporeal Celestial or not. You did explain however that Tenshi and her family ascended directly as a gift from the Gods, so I guess they count as corporeal Celestials. Tenshi also faces the Touhous in Gensokyo itself, and looks exactly the same as she does as in Heaven. From this we can conclude she can travel between Earth and Heaven at will, and is thus a corporeal Celestial. Unless hosts are automatically transformed to look like her...

I also didn't know Tenshi was that powerful and sturdy. I usually saw the Gensokyo top as Yukari > Yuuka > Shinki > Suika > Flandre > Eirin/Moonbitches > Remilia > Yuyuko > Shikieiki, but apparently Tenshi needs to be somewhere between Shinki and Suika or even Yuuka and Shinki.

And regarding Tenshi, Remilia and Flandre's lack of training (since their species and heritage grants them their power), the popular Danbooru doujin Touhou Tag Dream manages to explain this in a clever manner: in the match between Meiling and Suwako, Suwako compliments Meiling on her technique. Meiling is quick to point out to Suwako that "technique is a weapon for the weak. I don't belong to the group of strong youkai. So it's no wonder I've learned it." In other words, if you are powerful by nature you have no need to learn martial arts and fighting techniques. You can just knock someone down with one hit. If you are weak you need to learn fighting techniques to defend yoursef. Afterall, most martial artists don't have much muscle strength, but make up for it with their technique, allowing them to take down far larger foes.
However, this could also work negatively to powerful youkai. In one other popular webcomic, 'El Goonish Shive', the main villain had extreme physical strength, regenerative powers and could make people and objects combust into flames. He was unbeatable at first, but once the female lead awakened her true powers she wiped the floor with him, despite having equal strength. How can this be? The girl had learned martial arts before hand, and had thus a far greater advantage over the villain. The villain could only sluggishly punch around him, and was thus unable to hit the far more agile girl. If Flandre had to face a foe with equal powers to her but a more refined technique (like a super powered Meiling) Flandre would inevitably lose. Thus, technique stays important, in case you need to face a foe of equal or greater strength.
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« Reply #157 on: February 27, 2010, 03:27:27 PM »
Wow, this is quite an info dump! All this new information made me respect Tenshi alot more.
...

A few things:
1) Shikieiki>Yuakri Yukari hates Shikieiki for this, and her long lectures.
2) Using Flandre and Meiling as an exmaple may not be most appropriate since Flandre's ability's extent is not stated, and we do not even know what type of Yokai Meiling is.
(Since there are speculations of her being a Dragon. If so a dragon is in the top class of any Yokai.)
3) Try not to put too much stuff like A>B since that brings lots of trouble.
... Also, if Suika was at the top ranks Yugi would also be there, and we still don't know the two other Onis of the Shitennou (四天王).
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« Reply #158 on: February 27, 2010, 04:16:19 PM »
1) Shikieiki doesn't appear to be that powerful to me. Sure, she's the judge of the dead, but she's restricted by rules and tasks, nor can she warp reality like Yukari. While Shikieiki can only see people's sins and judge them, shoot lighting bolts and lasers, Yukari can do almost anything.
Another reason why this can't be right: if the yama's really were stronger than Yukari, why don't they just barge up to Heaven and drag down the Celestials themselves? Yukari has proven to be the only one to be a match for Tenshi, and Tenshi is probably more experienced in battle than most other Celestials. If the shinigami failed bringing the Celestials in, wouldn't the yama try themselves? They want to pass judgement on all and they take their job's way to seriously. The fact that Celestials are still around proves that yama's are weaker than Celestials and thus weaker than Yukari.
2) I just picked the most chaotic and most refined of Gensokyo's combattants. Flandre 'plays' while fighting, and since she's been locked up for hundreds of years she has been unable to learn technique, relying on brute strength. Meiling on the other hand has been training her entire life, and has lots of battle discipline. Also, vampires are a kind of youkai, so it isn't that much of a stretch. And Meiling can't be a dragon since there is only one dragon according to Perfect Memento.
3) I just tried to find some good examples of fighting discipline. I should've considered the other oni diva's though. But I think they share Suika's spot, like how the Watatsukis Moonbitches share Eirin's spot.
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« Reply #159 on: February 27, 2010, 04:42:18 PM »
1) Shikieiki doesn't appear to be that powerful to me. Sure, she's the judge of the dead, but she's restricted by rules and tasks, nor can she warp reality like Yukari. While Shikieiki can only see people's sins and judge them, shoot lighting bolts and lasers, Yukari can do almost anything.
Read this official story written by ZUN from the perspective of Yukari, and be enlightened.
Aside from that, don't let this become a power hierarchy discussion. These don't really go anywhere, and in the end a mod will punch us all in the face. Rightfully.


(Since there are speculations of her being a Dragon. If so a dragon is in the top class of any Yokai.)
Judging from PMiSS, Touhou dragons are more like actual Japanese dragons. The godlike kind that is several hundred feet long and can shatter the world with its cry alone. They have a separate section in Akyu's Memento where it is stated that they haven't been seen in Gensokyo since the creation of the barrier. Yet there is a section about Meiling. Okay, you could argue about Akyu's unreliability, but I think this distinction is clear enough to be trustworthy.
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« Reply #160 on: February 27, 2010, 05:10:00 PM »
There is just one thing wrong with your story on the peaches, Izanagi threw 2 peaches at the demons, but when he did they turned to stone. And he also threw one at Izanami, his "wife" and it just knocked her back

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« Reply #161 on: February 27, 2010, 05:13:17 PM »
There is just one thing wrong with your story on the peaches, Izanagi threw 2 peaches at the demons, but when he did they turned to stone. And he also threw one at Izanami, his "wife" and it just knocked her back

Was this before or after Izanami turned into a rotten skeletal monstrosity?

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« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2010, 05:21:01 PM »
After, Izanami told Izanagi to stay outside the palace until she arranged to return back to "Earth", an unpatient love came over Izanagi and he stormed the palace, thats when she turned into the monster and started chasing him as well as sending the demons his way

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« Reply #163 on: February 27, 2010, 05:40:34 PM »
I thought she turned into a monster because she ate a forbidden fruit in the Underworld. She got there in the first place because she was burned to death by a fire god she birthed. Said fire god was promptly slain by Izanagi. Izanagi tried to find her in the Underworld and bring her back, but once he saw Izanami turned into a decaying montrosity he bolted it out of there. She didn't take it well to say the least, and now she hunts Izanagi down with monsters. She also changed her title from 'Goddess of Creation' to 'Goddess of Decay'.
At least, that was in the story I read.

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« Reply #164 on: February 27, 2010, 06:26:53 PM »
1. The "Hourai" peaches are believed to be twice as big as the normal Chinese peach, super delicious, juicy and can only be found on the Hourai peach tree on top of the Hourai mountain. The tree has 3 kinds of peach: 100 years peach: grant youth, 1000 years peach: grant power as strong as a Celestial, 10000 years peach: be a Celestial. 1 bite and you get the effect instantly and permanent, anymore is just useless.

2. Dragon god is the god that has both natural power and people faith. That's why it's the strongest holy beast in the East (considered to be as strong as god). Off-topic info: the other 3 are Tiger (agility, raw strength) Phoenix (destruction, life) and Turtle (wisdom, defense).

3. Remilia isn't that strong, since fate is vague and unstable. She can only "guess" the most predictable fate and "lead" other's fate to another path. Let's say it like this, if Remilia want you to die, she cannot just do "this is your fate, die now.", she HAS to do something like "now you go to here, meet this guy at this time, have an argument with him in this topic, then get stabbed and die." and you can still change your fate due to your own actions. And Remilia will not use that power frequently since everything's fate connect to each others, if she mess around her head may explode like Tohno Shiki.

4. Martial Arts aren't for the weak, nor it's the technique to defeat raw strength. It teaches you how to use your body the most effective way (to live, to fight, to kill, whatever). And if you're already at 100% of your limit, you won't need any training, it's useless. Tenshi may in that case, I still stick to my point that "She trained before", but then she realized she doesn't need it anymore.

5. Gods > youkai, maybe some youkai is stronger than god in some way but in the end Gods win. Example Haruhi > Yuki.

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« Reply #165 on: February 27, 2010, 06:29:26 PM »
Please do not use information from an entirely different series to explain Touhou. In particular do not use Haruhi.

That said, this is turning into a "power levels discussion," which is against the rules.

...Come to think about it, there are stuff that says angels have both in one sex...
Everything I've heard points to Western angels being "sexless, unless they really want to make an effort." So it's not "both" so much as "neither."

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« Reply #166 on: February 27, 2010, 06:34:58 PM »
Please do not understand other's post the wrong way. That's just an example and it has nothing to do with power ranking.

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« Reply #167 on: February 27, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »
Aside from that, don't let this become a power hierarchy discussion. These don't really go anywhere, and in the end a mod will punch us all in the face. Rightfully.

Hi~

This thread is... not QUITE there, but veering dangerously close to powerlevels, and so I shall step in to remind you guys that such things are forbidden around here, due to being kind of stupid. That said: OkashiiNaito (er, OkashiiKisei), have you had your question answered to your satisfaction yet? If so, we can end discussion here before it gets to outright powerlevels (speaking of, why do people bother to argue? We all know Shikieiki is the best.)

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« Reply #168 on: February 27, 2010, 07:50:02 PM »
Hi~

This thread is... not QUITE there, but veering dangerously close to powerlevels, and so I shall step in to remind you guys that such things are forbidden around here, due to being kind of stupid. That said: OkashiiNaito (er, OkashiiKisei), have you had your question answered to your satisfaction yet? If so, we can end discussion here before it gets to outright powerlevels (speaking of, why do people bother to argue? We all know Shikieiki is the best.)

Well, yes, my original questions are answered, and Fortevn added some more answers to the last edgy questions I had. I think we can end it here.
And yes, I remember now that according to Japanese mythology that "youkai are all the beings with power between humans and Gods". Thus, though I hate to admit it, Shikieiki, being a divinity, would in the end win against a youkai, even if said youkai is Yukari. *cringe*

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« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2010, 01:21:58 AM »
Yeah, I've got a few more questions here.

Can youkai die of age? I heard they did. If so, what is their average life span? And do only certain types die of age? And do they actually get to look older? I can imagine vampires like Flandre and Remilia to be unable to die of age and stay young, and Yukari probably gap haxes her youth constantly, since she's apparently way older than a youkai should be and still looks like a bombshell. Also, do Shrine Maidens and Demi-Gods get older than average humans?

Do youkai have a predetermined amount of power and potential, or can they increase both with training or artifacts? For example, was Yuuka (genetically) destined to become so strong, or did she achieve it through sheer work and effort? Can Wriggle for example ever hope to be as strong as Yuuka?

Does Gensokyo grow, or is it stuck at it's current size? I can imagine the ever growing population of youkai and humans are going to need more room eventually.
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« Reply #170 on: March 03, 2010, 01:34:20 AM »
Does Gensokyo grow, or is it stuck at it's current size? I can imagine the ever growing population of youkai and humans are going to need more room eventually.

No, I'd say it doesn't. Mostly because the population isn't growing. Other than the Myouren faith and the three people from the Moriya shrine, that amounts to 8 youkai over 1-3 years. Also, Many of the youkai in all the other games were there the entire time as well. other than the temporary three from PoDD, the three from IN, and the previously mentioned above.

Gensokyo is actually quite large, and could easily support the youkai. The human's have lived there for a long time as well. Yet their population is developing very slowly. So Gensokyo could live on for another however long it's been there.

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« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2010, 11:49:15 AM »
Yeah, I've got a few more questions here.

Can youkai die of age? I heard they did. If so, what is their average life span? And do only certain types die of age? And do they actually get to look older? I can imagine vampires like Flandre and Remilia to be unable to die of age and stay young, and Yukari probably gap haxes her youth constantly, since she's apparently way older than a youkai should be and still looks like a bombshell. Also, do Shrine Maidens and Demi-Gods get older than average humans?

Do youkai have a predetermined amount of power and potential, or can they increase both with training or artifacts? For example, was Yuuka (genetically) destined to become so strong, or did she achieve it through sheer work and effort? Can Wriggle for example ever hope to be as strong as Yuuka?

Does Gensokyo grow, or is it stuck at it's current size? I can imagine the ever growing population of youkai and humans are going to need more room eventually.

You have many many questions in a single post my friend.  :)
I'll go one at a time.
Ans. to First Question.
Almost everyone can die of old age, the only ones that can't are people like Kaguya and Mokou as well as the gods who keep on living until they're forgotten.

The average lifespan is hard to say, but if you look at the original stories of some youkai, like Ran the nine tailed fox, its said that it takes 1000 years to reach nine tails.
Kogasa's origins thought to be the Tsukumogami take 99 years to become a tsukumogami.
...So for most youkai, you're looking at a broad range so it would be meaningless to get an "average" of anything.
Although Keine is half youkai, she's abit special. According to her she only lives "a bit longer" than most humans. So her lifespan thought to be quite similar to humans.

Many youkai can look older if they want since most of them change in to human looks since its only "more convenient", as Orin says. In cases like Ran and Chen who are youkais originally known for using techniques on deception especially.
So there's nothing against a youkai who is not originally in human form to not look the way they want to look.
... Well looks is really a difficult topic to talk about when the official reference to looks that we have is so little...
Oh, and shrine maidens still get older, they are human after all. Also, I guess you're referring to Sanae when you say demigod, but in her case, she's a human in the first place, so unless she's worshiped after death or something and turns in to a real god, her life expectancy is no different than an average human.

The second:

It is said that youkais mature in strength and knowledge as they get older. So it's just that some youkais in Gensoukyou have lived so long that they've reached an almost godly level. (It's like trying to compare different characters with different levels.) So youkai who are considered to be of lower power just haven't lived the years. (Notice that many of the "strong" beings in Gensoukyou have lived countless years. Ex.Yukari, Ran, Yuuka,...etc.)
Since the only actual blood relation that we see in Touhou is with Suwako and Sanae (and possibly Alice and Shinki), we can't make any assumptions on genetic stuff.
So  if youkai like Wriggle was to become stronger than Yuuka, it would be after Yuuka died and Wriggle lives on for a longer time than Yuuka was alive. (That is, not factoring in their abilities, if its abilites alone, Wriggle is already beating Yuuka...although Wriggle is still not smart enough to notice the extent of her abilities.)

As for the third.
Gensoukyou probably does not grow, think of it sort of like a spacious city/town, its population can grow, but its far from reaching the limit.
... Of course Yukari can always fiddle around with the borders...
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« Reply #172 on: March 03, 2010, 03:50:32 PM »
So youkai can die of age afterall....despite getting stronger with the years and being able to maintain their good looks throughout their entire life? But that would mean that the likes of Chen and Tewi will keep looking like children even if they are on their death bed. Would they spontaneously turn to dust upon a natural death? And will the youkai notice themselves their lives are about to end? You can't see it on their bodies afterall, and they only get stronger with age. Maybe they experience a sudden drop in power just before they die, feeling very weak and thus knowing their end is nigh. Do youkai also go on the Sanzu River and get re?ncarnated/sent to a an afterlife? Unlike humans, youkai don't get ghosts according to Perfect Memento. Does that mean they don't have spirits at all and will vanish forever upon death? :(

Celestials and Lunarians also officially don't die of age. However, Lunarians can still be killed with conventional weaponry and other such ways, and Celestials constantly need to fight Shinigami to avoid being taken to face judgement.

Wriggle does seem to have a greater ability than Yuuka. If Wriggle managed to gather some locusts she can get anyone to do as she says, or else she'll make said locusts devour all the food and destroy nature. Not to mention the many poisonous insects she could control, or the swarms of termites and ants to ravage homes. ...I wonder if Wriggle will end up becoming Yuuka the Second upon Yuuka's death....

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« Reply #173 on: March 03, 2010, 07:18:53 PM »
So youkai can die of age afterall....despite getting stronger with the years and being able to maintain their good looks throughout their entire life? But that would mean that the likes of Chen and Tewi will keep looking like children even if they are on their death bed. Would they spontaneously turn to dust upon a natural death? And will the youkai notice themselves their lives are about to end? You can't see it on their bodies afterall, and they only get stronger with age. Maybe they experience a sudden drop in power just before they die, feeling very weak and thus knowing their end is nigh. Do youkai also go on the Sanzu River and get re?ncarnated/sent to a an afterlife? Unlike humans, youkai don't get ghosts according to Perfect Memento. Does that mean they don't have spirits at all and will vanish forever upon death? :(
As I state, it's only an assumption, but judging from the nature of those youkais in Japanese folklore s youkais like Chen Twei Ran...etc., they can probably disguise themselves to appear differently if they wanted to.
Who knows about what will happen when they exit stage, but no matter how magnificently they live and make an exit, all that's destined to die in Gensoukyou will get carried past Sanzu River by Komachi and judged by Shikieiki.
The reincarnation, known a s Rinne (輪廻) states that weather the being is a bug, a bird or maybe even a youkai, it will get reincarnated as long as its still in the cycle of reincarnation. (That's why Yuyuko is bounded there, to stop her from reincarnation.)
What they state in perfect memento is written by Akyuu (Or her viewpoint) and is heavily biased. In that sense so you can't really call it a trust able source.
Maybe what that tries to tackle is how some youkai are seen as already being ghosts. (Like the youkai Yuki-onna (雪女) that Letty's thought to be modeled after is said to be ghosts of females that have died in the snowy mountains.)

Anyhow, have I been able to answer your question to the full degree?;)

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)
« Reply #174 on: March 03, 2010, 08:12:01 PM »
Though the natural death of youkai still seems vague, you have indeed answered all the other questions. It's annoying Perfect Memento has a unreliable narrator. Why can't ZUN make a clear and 100% trustable guide to Gensokyo's residents? Would clear up alot of the Fanon problems....

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)
« Reply #175 on: March 03, 2010, 09:48:16 PM »
Would clear up alot of the Fanon problems....

Like the total lesbians things? lol jk

Yukari would work as a narrator.

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« Reply #176 on: March 03, 2010, 09:52:58 PM »
I think Yukari would be even more unreliable a narrator than Akyu.

As for the tails, foxes get one tail every century, so it'd have to be 800 years.

OkashiiKisei

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)
« Reply #177 on: March 03, 2010, 10:17:59 PM »
I think Reimu and Patchouli would be the only ones reliable enough to write everything down. Problem is, Reimu is too lazy to write a book and Patchy never gets out to study Gensokyo's residents...

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« Reply #178 on: March 03, 2010, 11:05:20 PM »
What about Keine? She could take a fairly accurate account of everything.

OkashiiKisei

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Re: Miscellaneous Questions Thread (LOOK HERE OR DIE)
« Reply #179 on: March 03, 2010, 11:29:49 PM »
What about Keine? She could take a fairly accurate account of everything.

Ah, yes. How could I forget about her? She actually get's around and can be very devoted to something. Not to mention she's strong enough to fend for herself.