Spellcard Help Topic

[lmagus]

Have you tried capturing green ufos instead of red ones and gather bombs instead of lives?

works fine for me.. I can reach stage 4 with 4 or 5 lives, but I SUCK at it... it's too much spam for me

[Helix ⑨]

I'm gonna start attempting MoF Extra soon, which shottype is advised? I currently have ReimuA,B and MarisaA unlocked, can defintely get others if needed but I'd prefer to use one of those Reimu types (I like the homing one, it's brilliant on the stage but I'm afraid it will lack damage on the boss).

[Bananamatic]

I'm gonna start attempting MoF Extra soon, which shottype is advised? I currently have ReimuA,B and MarisaA unlocked, can defintely get others if needed but I'd prefer to use one of those Reimu types (I like the homing one, it's brilliant on the stage but I'm afraid it will lack damage on the boss).

ReimuA or B.

[LHCling]

Okay, SOMEBODY HELP ME
BAITY
DONUT
SAPZ
ANYONE

Replay here.
Watch me fail stages 2 and 3, then somehow getting all the way to Devil's Recitation even though I've missed the Nue life.
Could be a possible clear if I wouldn't get hit in DR, as the one bomb is enough after the lasers activate and I can capture both Air Scroll and LFO.

It was a pretty bad run, failed Aura of Justice, got walled on Murasa's survival, failed both Nue spams....

How do you finish stage 3 with seven lives instead of 3 and with no bombs?
No matter how many replays I watch, I'm not consistent on ANY of the st2-3 cards.

First off, your Stage 2 desyncs. No, really. So I can't see what you do wrong there.

The paths you take for UFO chaining is somewhat horrible; I would definitely recommend putting a few green UFOs in there so you can continually chain UFOs without dying (too much). It's ReimuA so going for a few more bombs might be more beneficial overall.

If you bomb before Nazrin!Stage 5 Midboss, then quickly skip through the text and try to salvage the bomb. That being said, you're taking the wrong path on the pre-mid-boss waves. See replay (works with all shot types; shooting is optional) if you haven't already got it. The only time you should be taking the path you took is when you have a UFO you want to destroy. Or if you make your current path ridiculously tight (i.e. make your circling smaller).

Nothing else comes to mind at the moment.

[Bananamatic]

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Checked the replay, desynced only when I've started at s2 - when I was fastforwarding from s1 it was okay.

I couldn't get your orb spam paths to work....I've figured it out just now though, so it shouldn't be a problem now.

As for UFO chaining...don't got a path, really. Just grabbing the red stuff and survival.

What I need help on is both of the Nue midbosses - I can do them at times, but this time I've failed them both - and if I would get a life instead of losing one, it could have been a clear.

[LHCling]

What I need help on is both of the Nue midbosses - I can do them at times, but this time I've failed them both - and if I would get a life instead of losing one, it could have been a clear.

Static. Just copy the paths from my replay.

EDIT: Looking at Stage 2.
EDIT 2: ...yeah, it's just bad UFO chaining that did you in.

[Sen]

OKAY SOMEONE HELP ME.

I can do UFO Stages 2-3 on Hard fairly well, but ICHIRIN. It's her second spellcard. It's an absolute joke on Normal, but I can't do it in Hard. I lost about three lives last time I tried it. ;_;

I just can't find a safe path through the fists. The second-lowest fist is always the one that hits me. I never even have time to worry about the circles they spawn, I get hit too often for them to stay onscreen.

I don't really like to bombspam my way through cards unless I really have to, especially since it's only Stage 3. I always bomb her last card, but I know I should be able to do this. I'm using SanaeA if that helps.

[LHCling]

Shot Type doesn't really matter. However, since you're using SanaeA, you have the luxury of a Homing-Type shot.

This contains a timeout of the Spell Card you're after. You can also refer to the replay above (my NB run) since that contains a capture with ReimuB.

[Helix ⑨]

ReimuA or B.

yeah but which >.< what are the pros and cons, what do you guys prefer?

[Bananamatic]

Static. Just copy the paths from my replay.

EDIT: Looking at Stage 2.
EDIT 2: ...yeah, it's just bad UFO chaining that did you in.

The problem is, I can't understand crap from your replays. Your methods are just.....too advanced for an average player to use :V

Tried the orb spam way again, ended up with a load of bullets in a 5x5 space.
There HAS to be some move obvious way which doesn't involve some dodgy movement.

I'm checking all of the Hard replays I can find, found Hawk's Hard 1cc.....finished st3 with 7 and 1/2 of a life and 1 bomb....apparently you "need that momentum to get through the last 2 stages"

I simply can't finish it with more than 3 lives and a bomb and the rest of the run is basically surviving on 3 lives until I mess up somewhere or until I reach Byakuren which kills me anyways.

Is it because I fail at st2 and 3 so much, or because my UFO route is basically "grab the red stuff"?

[LHCling]

The problem is, I can't understand crap from your replays. Your methods are just.....too advanced for an average player to use :V

Right, center / right, left, right?

Tried the orb spam way again, ended up with a load of bullets in a 5x5 space.
There HAS to be some move obvious way which doesn't involve some dodgy movement.

See: attachment.

Is it because I fail at st2 and 3 so much, or because my UFO route is basically "grab the red stuff"?

It's the latter. It's good to get bombs into the mix so you can use them as opposed to dying on the stage.

[CK Crash]

If you ONLY go after red small UFOs, you'll probably end up hurting yourself for no reason. All UFOs drop a flashing small UFO anyways, so that will help you get reds when they are far and few between (stage 2, stage 6, extra). If you end up bombing instead of dying, it would have been worth it, right?

[Lybydose]

yeah but which >.< what are the pros and cons, what do you guys prefer?

ReimuA trivializes the stage and lets you completely screw up Suwako's streaming noncards and still capture them without even streaming correctly, but has a tougher time with most of the spells since you'll have to survive longer.

On the other hand, this is MoF we're talking about, so you don't even have to learn the stage if you don't want to.  Just spam bombs.

[Lybydose]

lol double post.  Different topic though.

Legendary Flying Saucer

I don't get why people say this is loleasy.  I can reach this with a full stock of lives and game over.  This almost always happens if I actually fire at Byakuren.  My current strategy for this involves timing it out (and dying/bombing to the blue waves once or twice), then spamming bombs as soon as the timeout waves come.  Hopefully I'll have enough bombs that I can just go completely invulnerable for ~20 seconds and end it.

[Helix ⑨]

Allright started MoF extra with reimuA, she needs no tactic at all for the stage so I can do awesome scoring and a lot of the spell cards prevent you from being underneath suwako or are survival based so she is definetly the best.
Cards I have problems with atm:

No. 101 Party Start "two claps and one bow"
I either fail at misdirecting this or I don't have enough time/room to prevent those laser thingies from hitting me.

No. 103 Divine tool "Moriya's iron ring"
I don't understand how you move at this, I tried copying some1 else but I get walled all the time.

[Lybydose]

No. 101 Party Start "two claps and one bow"
I either fail at misdirecting this or I don't have enough time/room to prevent those laser thingies from hitting me.

No. 103 Divine tool "Moriya's iron ring"
I don't understand how you move at this, I tried copying some1 else but I get walled all the time.

Party Start "Two Bows, Two Claps and One bow"

There's a really stupid gimmick that makes this completely trivial.  Go directly above Suwako during the opening dialog and sit there for about 1 second after the dialog ends, then do her first non-spell normally.  When this spell begins, her lasers will be bugged out and fire at the top of the screen instead.

If you want to do it the real way, misdirect the bullets to whichever side the blue lasers are on.  The red lasers end earlier than the blue ones, so you can move out of the way of the giant bullets.

Divine Tool "Moriya's Iron Ring"

Stay directly under Suwako until the rings start getting close.  Then quickly move to the top of the screen directly above Suwako.  Stay there until she stops shooting rings, then go back to the bottom.  Make sure you go down the OPPOSITE side of where you came up, so if you went up on the right side, go down on the left.  Repeat.

[Helix ⑨]

allright I'll give it a try. And I don't use safespots so I'm gonna have to do my best (I don't feel like I've beaten the stage if I cheat like that)

[Jaimers]

Legendary Flying Saucer

I don't get why people say this is loleasy.  I can reach this with a full stock of lives and game over.  This almost always happens if I actually fire at Byakuren.  My current strategy for this involves timing it out (and dying/bombing to the blue waves once or twice), then spamming bombs as soon as the timeout waves come.  Hopefully I'll have enough bombs that I can just go completely invulnerable for ~20 seconds and end it.

Saying that LFS = loleasy is a blunt statement.
It's only easy after you've micro-memorized it and then it's still fairly easy to accidentally mess up.
You see the pattern is exactly the same as long as you do the exact same damage to it every time.
The pattern to micro-memorize varies thus between shot types.
This is also the reason why you want to avoid bombing or dying because it changes the pattern duo to stalling/ power loss, which means you're on your own for dodging afterwards.

[Bananamatic]

Any good UFO routes on st2? I'll probably need a bomb after Kogasa though :V

[lmagus]

i always finish stage 1 with a green ufo.

comes st2 i grab another green ufo

then comes lots of orbs, i kill them all without grabbing the third ufo.
then comes another set of orbs and i grab that last green ufo flying around and proceed to kill all the orbs.. then i get the green ufo from it and another green ufo from the ufo fairy.

then finally comes the third set of orbs along with an ufo fairy. I kill the fairy first, grab the green ufo, kill all the orbs and grab the flying green ufo that's left.

all this barely done before midboss kogasa enters the screen. and you've just earned 4 bombs before mid-boss kogasa.

by then you should have reached max bomb stock, or almost there if you used one in nazrin pendulum

[lumber_of_the_beast]

Had to go back and see what this was.  Apparently it's more difficult than what Hard gets.  Anyway, the middle of the screen is fine for when their prisms are horizontal (first two "waves").  Once they start spinning them, the bullets will end up mostly in the middle, so go to either the left or right side and dodge stuff.

Thanks to this advice, I got my first capture of it on my first attempt!

...and then I died to "Resurrection Butterfly -10% Reflowering-" with a full four bombs in stock.

Son of a bitch.

[Tarquinius]

Mountain of Faith Extra, "Frog is Eaten by Snake due to the Croak". I don't understand how to do this card.

[Helix ⑨]

Basically she starts spawning the bullets in an outwards circle. This stream of bullets will go round 3 times and halfway through the first bullets will 'erupt' when this happens you have to move through the 2nd wave into the middle and away from the place which will erupt next. I can't describe it better than that, I watched a replay and understood it perfectly from that.

[Formless God]

Very easy one. She fills the screen with frogs bullets in a clockwise/counter-clockwise pattern, then they explode in the same pattern. Pay attention to the ring of bullets around Suwako. After half of the upper part is gone, move quickly through the gap and follow the explosion.

... No. My Engrish won't cut it. I suggest watching replays instead

[Helix ⑨]

I think that card is impossible to explain, use your eyes and watch *nods*

[Rook]

• "Ageless Obsession" is static. Learn the spots.

wait WHAT I did not know this

Anyway, I've heard a lot about misdirecting Youmu's stage 5 midboss noncard and first boss noncard (Hard, if it matters).  However, whenever I try I end up dying instantly, which seems to not be the intended effect.  Exactly how is this done?  Where should I be when the attack starts, and where should I go?

No longer losing one life on each of these because I think I can do them and therefore don't bomb would really up my chances of the 1cc.  Now I just have to stop smashing 2 lives into Flight of Idaten or something :V

[Azinth]

Anyway, I've heard a lot about misdirecting Youmu's stage 5 midboss noncard and first boss noncard (Hard, if it matters).  However, whenever I try I end up dying instantly, which seems to not be the intended effect.  Exactly how is this done?  Where should I be when the attack starts, and where should I go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMZ9IUuBdo#t=1m25s

When Youmu gets into her battle stance, place yourself so that your unfocused option is on top of her face.  Then for the second wave, just run up and get behind her as the first is clearing to misdirect it straight up.

[Rook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMZ9IUuBdo#t=1m25s

When Youmu gets into her battle stance, place yourself so that your unfocused option is on top of her face.  Then for the second wave, just run up and get behind her as the first is clearing to misdirect it straight up.

Alright.  I'll give it a shot, thanks!

[Rikter]

Ok I thank you people for trying to help me with "Fujiyama Volcano" but I can't capture it even though I just spent the last half hour and several other times attempting just that spellcard.

Anyways anyone got some advice or a good Replay for PCB normal stage 4 with Reimu A or B? It is the single most annoying portion of the game when I attempt to 1CC PCB.

[Rook]

Ok I thank you people for trying to help me with "Fujiyama Volcano" but I can't capture it even though I just spent the last half hour and several other times attempting just that spellcard.

Anyways anyone got some advice or a good Replay for PCB normal stage 4 with Reimu A or B? It is the single most annoying portion of the game when I attempt to 1CC PCB.

If you timeout Lily White you get to skip half the level

Actually, I'd be curious as to whether that is a viable strategy or not.  On one hand, Lily is probably easier to deal with than the bonus enemies that replace her.  On the other hand, I usually get the 800-point extend by just a hair, so this would probably make me miss it and thus not be worthwhile.